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    honey the codewitch
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    The biggest problem I find with IoT right now is not size, or functionality, but power consumption. If you use the hardware for what it's worth, powering it off a LIPO gets impractical fast. If you barely use the hardware, you've just overpaid for a swiss army knife when all you needed was a rock. If we're going to usher in a world of particulate computing, where data is dust, we need to tackle The Power Problem(TM) I don't think size is our limiting factor here. It always comes down to power power power. This is a bigger problem than keeping up with Moore's Law I think - powering it all. Where do we go from here?

    To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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      The biggest problem I find with IoT right now is not size, or functionality, but power consumption. If you use the hardware for what it's worth, powering it off a LIPO gets impractical fast. If you barely use the hardware, you've just overpaid for a swiss army knife when all you needed was a rock. If we're going to usher in a world of particulate computing, where data is dust, we need to tackle The Power Problem(TM) I don't think size is our limiting factor here. It always comes down to power power power. This is a bigger problem than keeping up with Moore's Law I think - powering it all. Where do we go from here?

      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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      jmaida
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      Need a power management system and computer system of dust processors (dust data is a nice analog). Maybe power requirement can made proportional to data density if possible.

      "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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        Need a power management system and computer system of dust processors (dust data is a nice analog). Maybe power requirement can made proportional to data density if possible.

        "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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        honey the codewitch
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        It's probably more than a dream. All kinds of crazy ways to passively grab power are out there, but even with the right capacitors it limits you to a burst-sleep cycle because it takes time to charge it enough to eek out one more iteration of the code. Ultimately, this is a good technique, but it's not enough by itself, and is only practical for some applications.

        To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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          The biggest problem I find with IoT right now is not size, or functionality, but power consumption. If you use the hardware for what it's worth, powering it off a LIPO gets impractical fast. If you barely use the hardware, you've just overpaid for a swiss army knife when all you needed was a rock. If we're going to usher in a world of particulate computing, where data is dust, we need to tackle The Power Problem(TM) I don't think size is our limiting factor here. It always comes down to power power power. This is a bigger problem than keeping up with Moore's Law I think - powering it all. Where do we go from here?

          To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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          Fueled By Decaff
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          Hmm, reversible logic CPUs for (even) lower power consumption? Solar? Or go back to the days where you needed to crank a handle to make a phone call :-)

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            The biggest problem I find with IoT right now is not size, or functionality, but power consumption. If you use the hardware for what it's worth, powering it off a LIPO gets impractical fast. If you barely use the hardware, you've just overpaid for a swiss army knife when all you needed was a rock. If we're going to usher in a world of particulate computing, where data is dust, we need to tackle The Power Problem(TM) I don't think size is our limiting factor here. It always comes down to power power power. This is a bigger problem than keeping up with Moore's Law I think - powering it all. Where do we go from here?

            To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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            Marc Clifton
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            Really off topic, but this is one of the things that floors me when talking to my conspiracy theory "friends." They have no clue that an injectable wifi transmitting, biometric sensing, and GPS tracking nanobot requires power. :laugh:

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              Really off topic, but this is one of the things that floors me when talking to my conspiracy theory "friends." They have no clue that an injectable wifi transmitting, biometric sensing, and GPS tracking nanobot requires power. :laugh:

              Latest Article:
              Create a Digital Ocean Droplet for .NET Core Web API with a real SSL Certificate on a Domain

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              I know right. the number of people who come up to me (because I work in IT) and ask why did you get the covid shot. You know they can track you now right? tempted to do something like the following. *shake* (monotone voice) The overlord masters don't need to track me. *shake* (regular voice) no way can they do that (monotone) Just wait until they reach 90% threshold. Then they can bring in the mind control devices. *shake*

              To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer

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                Really off topic, but this is one of the things that floors me when talking to my conspiracy theory "friends." They have no clue that an injectable wifi transmitting, biometric sensing, and GPS tracking nanobot requires power. :laugh:

                Latest Article:
                Create a Digital Ocean Droplet for .NET Core Web API with a real SSL Certificate on a Domain

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                englebart
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                There is enough ambient RF in any city to power tiny devices. Hee hee

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                  I know right. the number of people who come up to me (because I work in IT) and ask why did you get the covid shot. You know they can track you now right? tempted to do something like the following. *shake* (monotone voice) The overlord masters don't need to track me. *shake* (regular voice) no way can they do that (monotone) Just wait until they reach 90% threshold. Then they can bring in the mind control devices. *shake*

                  To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer

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                  Kelly Herald
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                  Of course those same people carry cell phones with them at all times. They are being tracked willingly.

                  Kelly Herald Software Developer

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                    Really off topic, but this is one of the things that floors me when talking to my conspiracy theory "friends." They have no clue that an injectable wifi transmitting, biometric sensing, and GPS tracking nanobot requires power. :laugh:

                    Latest Article:
                    Create a Digital Ocean Droplet for .NET Core Web API with a real SSL Certificate on a Domain

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                    ...and a not-so-nano antenna

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                      The biggest problem I find with IoT right now is not size, or functionality, but power consumption. If you use the hardware for what it's worth, powering it off a LIPO gets impractical fast. If you barely use the hardware, you've just overpaid for a swiss army knife when all you needed was a rock. If we're going to usher in a world of particulate computing, where data is dust, we need to tackle The Power Problem(TM) I don't think size is our limiting factor here. It always comes down to power power power. This is a bigger problem than keeping up with Moore's Law I think - powering it all. Where do we go from here?

                      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                      jrgrobinson
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                      This is one of the joys of working in IOT. Finding energy to scavenge, continuously characterising power usage and making stuff work in reality. Software development has come to be working in giant frameworks needing vast processing, storage and connectivity that one little understands and uses a tiny part of. The discipline and problem solving required to do useful stuff in IOT end-devices is a refreshing change.

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