Who was the bright spark
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F4 isn't "close" unless an idiot designed the UI - CTRL+F4 is "small close" (one browser page for example), but "close app" is normally ALT-F4 I had this discussion 40-odd years ago when someone designed a keyboard layout with "clear all" on the key between "Left" and Right"*. :sigh: * I used to write embedded software for custom VDT's (Terminals) which worked with the pre-PC mainframes of the time. VT100.net: Lynwood[^]
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Probably the same idiot who put C next to V on the keyboard! How many time have I clicked [ctrl] - C when I meant to click [ctrl] - V and so clearing the contents of the clipboard that I was trying to paste! :sigh:
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
Yep. And "X" on it'#s other side ... :sigh:
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...who put F4 (close) next to F5 (refresh). :sigh:
cheers Chris Maunder
I wondered why I've never had that problem before (didn't even know F4 is close, and as far as I can tell, it isn't). Anyway, I have this keyboard[^]. Problem solved :D
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...who put F4 (close) next to F5 (refresh). :sigh:
cheers Chris Maunder
Aside, I am forever thankful to the person who found out Ctrl + Z.
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...who put F4 (close) next to F5 (refresh). :sigh:
cheers Chris Maunder
Ctrl X next to Ctrl C =)
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Hi, perhaps some IBM chap? I remember in OS/2, F3 was the "Exit" key (sometimes with a half-open door as the icon) so that made F4 and F5 the next two next available keys :)
The F3 for close/exit was migrated from the old IBM terminals, which had the function keys in a 12 key pad on the right where the Num-pad is now; with [F1][F2][F3] on the top row.
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Function keys made sense when they were still grouped in sets of 4 (F1-F4, F5-F8, F9-F12). Since most keyboards now bunch them all together, you're much more likely to hit the wrong ones if you don't take your eyes away from the monitor to look at the keyboard. Because I knew where the gap was, I could simply feel without looking whether I was about to hit F1, F2, F3 or F4. Now it's a crapshoot, and I usually get it wrong. This grouping existed for a reason...
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Since most keyboards now bunch them all together
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...who put F4 (close) next to F5 (refresh). :sigh:
cheers Chris Maunder
My IBM Thinkpad has the Power switch next to the Delete button. :mad: My ASUS laptop has all function keys doubled up with 'handy' functions (Delete is also Insert) :omg: My wireless keyboard has a Control-Function key. You need to press that key to make the function keys work. I'm not sure who design these thing, but they stink.:thumbsdown:
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Probably the same idiot who put C next to V on the keyboard! How many time have I clicked [ctrl] - C when I meant to click [ctrl] - V and so clearing the contents of the clipboard that I was trying to paste! :sigh:
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
Heh, I don't have that problem anymore in Windows(on my own computer). I grew up using WordStar control sequences so I wrote an AutoHotKey script that lets me use the WordStar sequences on all the editors/word processors I use. I've also switched some keys to put the Ctrl key where the Caps Lock key is. Now if there was only an AutoHotKey clone for Linux I'd be stylin!
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Heh, I don't have that problem anymore in Windows(on my own computer). I grew up using WordStar control sequences so I wrote an AutoHotKey script that lets me use the WordStar sequences on all the editors/word processors I use. I've also switched some keys to put the Ctrl key where the Caps Lock key is. Now if there was only an AutoHotKey clone for Linux I'd be stylin!
I learned WordStar in the early 80's, and I have continued to use editors with WordStar key mappings ever since. My fingers know where to go. I once counted up that using Ctrl keys, I can do 14 operations that are one key or two (with the Ctrl key held down, of course). Currently I use an editor called joe which comes with a version jstar which uses WordStar key mapping. It is a great editor that runs on Linux. I don't know if it runs on Windows.
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I learned WordStar in the early 80's, and I have continued to use editors with WordStar key mappings ever since. My fingers know where to go. I once counted up that using Ctrl keys, I can do 14 operations that are one key or two (with the Ctrl key held down, of course). Currently I use an editor called joe which comes with a version jstar which uses WordStar key mapping. It is a great editor that runs on Linux. I don't know if it runs on Windows.
I took a look and there is a Windows port. Though I don't know if it does jstar under windows. I will be taking a look at it for Linux though. My favorite text editor is JEdit. It's got tons of plugins, many which are useful for programmers. It's also configurable enough to do the WordStar control sequences.
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Function keys made sense when they were still grouped in sets of 4 (F1-F4, F5-F8, F9-F12). Since most keyboards now bunch them all together, you're much more likely to hit the wrong ones if you don't take your eyes away from the monitor to look at the keyboard. Because I knew where the gap was, I could simply feel without looking whether I was about to hit F1, F2, F3 or F4. Now it's a crapshoot, and I usually get it wrong. This grouping existed for a reason...
They made even more sense when they were in two columns on the left.
Truth, James
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...who put F4 (close) next to F5 (refresh). :sigh:
cheers Chris Maunder
There was a model of Macintoshes which had a protruding power button RIGHT NEXT to the floppy drive, EXACTLY where the floppy eject button would be if that were a computer that manually ejected its floppies.
Truth, James
