"Will Open Source Lose the Battle for the Web?"
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We're all getting dangerously close to not being able to effectively use the net unless we have the latest version of Windows on our machines. Yes, but that's not Microsoft's fault. The reason for this is because their Internet browsing software is far superior, and nobody else is challenging it (I mean, Netscape 6 is a joke). It's like saying "Oh, I don't like Keloggs because they have too much control over the cereal market", but the truth is, the reason they have this control is because they make cereals better than anyone else. Bad analagy I know but I couldn't think of anything else at the time. > Andrew "Do you like my mask, it raises the dead...!" -- Buffy (season 3, Giles)
I'm not talking about browsers or email clients or any of the top-level stuff. I'm talking about the underlying protocols and proprietary technologies. If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy. They already don't readily support Java, and the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins. Where do you think all of this is going?
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I'm not talking about browsers or email clients or any of the top-level stuff. I'm talking about the underlying protocols and proprietary technologies. If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy. They already don't readily support Java, and the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins. Where do you think all of this is going?
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I'm not talking about browsers or email clients or any of the top-level stuff. I'm talking about the underlying protocols and proprietary technologies. If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy. They already don't readily support Java, and the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins. Where do you think all of this is going?
Where do you think all of this is going? It is said that IE 7 will display subliminal messages. Tomasz Sowinski -- http://www.shooltz.com
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I'm not talking about browsers or email clients or any of the top-level stuff. I'm talking about the underlying protocols and proprietary technologies. If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy. They already don't readily support Java, and the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins. Where do you think all of this is going?
Several points to consider really. I don't expect them to write .NET libraries for Linux themselves but why should they? However, they are making all the standards open so they aren't stopping anyone else from doing so. In fact, I seem to remember coming across a group who'd already started doing such a thing. Secondly, if there are no competitors that doesn't mean that they should stop trying to advance their technology. Many people seemed to think that they should've waited for the competition to catch up when it came to the browser wars - how riduculous is that? Thirdly - I hated Java to be frank - at least in terms of usage when downloading from the Internet. As a 56K dial-up modem user, I had to wait ages for applets to download. Most of the time I just couldn't be bothered. Maybe removing support for Newtscape style plugins is a bit of a tactical move, but it's not out of their bounds. I don't mean to make Microsoft completely innocent of ANY crimes, but I just think that people are way too quick to judge. > Andrew "Do you like my mask, it raises the dead...!" -- Buffy (season 3, Giles)
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I'm not talking about browsers or email clients or any of the top-level stuff. I'm talking about the underlying protocols and proprietary technologies. If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy. They already don't readily support Java, and the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins. Where do you think all of this is going?
If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy Microsoft are jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. That may not be based on Unix, but it is a non-MS OS. Besides which, they don't need to as others have already picked up the ball with regard to Linux. They already don't readily support Java So? I have net yet seen one legitimate use of java in an internet browser that could'nt be acheived with an animated GIF file. Okay, there are some client-side uses, and certainly server-side, but .NET would also be a solution in those areas, as are a whole host of currently released technologies and platforms. the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins The sooner the world get's over Netscape, the better. More and more often nowadays you find people - even expereinced computer users - asking "What's Netscape?". It had it's day, just like the monarchy, but now we should just move on and forget about it. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy Microsoft are jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. That may not be based on Unix, but it is a non-MS OS. Besides which, they don't need to as others have already picked up the ball with regard to Linux. They already don't readily support Java So? I have net yet seen one legitimate use of java in an internet browser that could'nt be acheived with an animated GIF file. Okay, there are some client-side uses, and certainly server-side, but .NET would also be a solution in those areas, as are a whole host of currently released technologies and platforms. the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins The sooner the world get's over Netscape, the better. More and more often nowadays you find people - even expereinced computer users - asking "What's Netscape?". It had it's day, just like the monarchy, but now we should just move on and forget about it. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
> Microsoft are (sic) jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. What could be less relevant than BeOS? Amiga? Both are dead.
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If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy Microsoft are jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. That may not be based on Unix, but it is a non-MS OS. Besides which, they don't need to as others have already picked up the ball with regard to Linux. They already don't readily support Java So? I have net yet seen one legitimate use of java in an internet browser that could'nt be acheived with an animated GIF file. Okay, there are some client-side uses, and certainly server-side, but .NET would also be a solution in those areas, as are a whole host of currently released technologies and platforms. the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins The sooner the world get's over Netscape, the better. More and more often nowadays you find people - even expereinced computer users - asking "What's Netscape?". It had it's day, just like the monarchy, but now we should just move on and forget about it. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
>>... just like the monarchy, ... Her royal highness is not amused. Please do not associate the House Of Windsor with Netscape and/or Java. "Phillip, release the corgies ..." "On the tenth day, god and Bon Jovi settled out of court."
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>>... just like the monarchy, ... Her royal highness is not amused. Please do not associate the House Of Windsor with Netscape and/or Java. "Phillip, release the corgies ..." "On the tenth day, god and Bon Jovi settled out of court."
I didn't say which monarchy now did I? David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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> Microsoft are (sic) jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. What could be less relevant than BeOS? Amiga? Both are dead.
That wasn't the point I was trying to make, I was merely pointing out that they are helping devlopment on other platforms. The issue as stake was specifically regarding linux/unix and I jsut used BeOs as a run-in to my answer. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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> Microsoft are (sic) jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. What could be less relevant than BeOS? Amiga? Both are dead.
Hey - don't knock the Amiga !! Actually I suspect the Amiga has MORE life than BeOS, it at least has zealots who support it without thought or reason. Never met a BeOS user, let alone zealot. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy Microsoft are jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. That may not be based on Unix, but it is a non-MS OS. Besides which, they don't need to as others have already picked up the ball with regard to Linux. They already don't readily support Java So? I have net yet seen one legitimate use of java in an internet browser that could'nt be acheived with an animated GIF file. Okay, there are some client-side uses, and certainly server-side, but .NET would also be a solution in those areas, as are a whole host of currently released technologies and platforms. the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins The sooner the world get's over Netscape, the better. More and more often nowadays you find people - even expereinced computer users - asking "What's Netscape?". It had it's day, just like the monarchy, but now we should just move on and forget about it. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy Microsoft are jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. That may not be based on Unix, but it is a non-MS OS. Besides which, they don't need to as others have already picked up the ball with regard to Linux. The beauty of this is, M$ can CLAIM to have written .NET for BeOS, and who's gonna know if they did or not ? Have you ever met anyone who runs BeOS ? They already don't readily support Java So? I have net yet seen one legitimate use of java in an internet browser that could'nt be acheived with an animated GIF file. Okay, there are some client-side uses, and certainly server-side, but .NET would also be a solution in those areas, as are a whole host of currently released technologies and platforms. Really ? You've not lived until you've visited a virtual arcade - 80's video games like Donkey Kong and Asteroids as Java Applets. the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins The sooner the world get's over Netscape, the better. More and more often nowadays you find people - even expereinced computer users - asking "What's Netscape?". It had it's day, just like the monarchy, but now we should just move on and forget about it. On this I agree. As a former Netscape fan I must admit they dropped the ball long ago. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
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If you think they're going to willingly help Linux/Unix into the .NET arena, you're crazy Microsoft are jointly developing the .NET runtime for BeOs. That may not be based on Unix, but it is a non-MS OS. Besides which, they don't need to as others have already picked up the ball with regard to Linux. The beauty of this is, M$ can CLAIM to have written .NET for BeOS, and who's gonna know if they did or not ? Have you ever met anyone who runs BeOS ? They already don't readily support Java So? I have net yet seen one legitimate use of java in an internet browser that could'nt be acheived with an animated GIF file. Okay, there are some client-side uses, and certainly server-side, but .NET would also be a solution in those areas, as are a whole host of currently released technologies and platforms. Really ? You've not lived until you've visited a virtual arcade - 80's video games like Donkey Kong and Asteroids as Java Applets. the latest version of MSIE doesn't support netscape style plug-ins The sooner the world get's over Netscape, the better. More and more often nowadays you find people - even expereinced computer users - asking "What's Netscape?". It had it's day, just like the monarchy, but now we should just move on and forget about it. On this I agree. As a former Netscape fan I must admit they dropped the ball long ago. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
Have you ever met anyone who runs BeOS ? Hay, common. There must be at least one user - maybe even two ;). Really ? You've not lived until you've visited a virtual arcade - 80's video games like Donkey Kong and Asteroids as Java Applets. I'll take your word for it. But even so, is this really what Sun envisaged when they released Java for the first time? Donkey Kong in your browser? On this I agree Woah there. We agree on something? I've gotta come up with some reasons why Netscape is still cool, quick. David Wulff dwulff@battleaxesoftware.com
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>>... just like the monarchy, ... Her royal highness is not amused. Please do not associate the House Of Windsor with Netscape and/or Java. "Phillip, release the corgies ..." "On the tenth day, god and Bon Jovi settled out of court."
LMAO I'll bet the Royal Guards have thought more than once about having an accident with those corgies. I take it associating the Queen Mum with Microsoft and the corgies with their lawyers would be an even worse sacrilege? ;P regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
