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  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

    So they thought they can write a better story, so payed hundred of millions of dollars to butcher Tolkien's work... The series is actually a sale of the characters - all of them on the self at the same time...

    "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." ― Albert Einstein

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    The press don't appear to have liked it much, either: Amazon's The Rings of Power is a betrayal of Tolkien’s vision | The Spectator[^] And I have to reluctantly agree: I was looking forward to this, but it's just not worth the time to watch it.

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    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

      I would agree with that, if it wasn't a story I grew up with and admired... It is hard to me to enjoy it this way, but probably for others it is what it is...

      "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." ― Albert Einstein

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      Most people who watch the Peter Jackson or the Amazon versions will not have read the books, let alone the appendices. Watching gives them the illusion of erudition - they think they know what Tolkien was getting at in his books. I am one of those who claim that an artist cannot be fully understood in translation, or in a different medium (e.g. film as opposed to print).

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        Most people who watch the Peter Jackson or the Amazon versions will not have read the books, let alone the appendices. Watching gives them the illusion of erudition - they think they know what Tolkien was getting at in his books. I am one of those who claim that an artist cannot be fully understood in translation, or in a different medium (e.g. film as opposed to print).

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        More than anything, what Tolkien was getting at was Lord Acton's belief that power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. In our age of World Improvers and sycophants who believe that everything would be great if they, or their guy, were in charge, this is a theme that will be downplayed as much as possible.

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        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

          So they thought they can write a better story, so payed hundred of millions of dollars to butcher Tolkien's work... The series is actually a sale of the characters - all of them on the self at the same time...

          "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." ― Albert Einstein

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          Jacquers
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          From what I understand they don't have the rights to the Silmarillion, so they have to make up some different backstories. Just take it as non-canonical entertainment :)

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          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

            So they thought they can write a better story, so payed hundred of millions of dollars to butcher Tolkien's work... The series is actually a sale of the characters - all of them on the self at the same time...

            "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." ― Albert Einstein

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            Jacquers
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            Rings of power could have been a great title for a Sonic the hedgehog movie :)

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            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

              So they thought they can write a better story, so payed hundred of millions of dollars to butcher Tolkien's work... The series is actually a sale of the characters - all of them on the self at the same time...

              "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." ― Albert Einstein

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              I've never read the Silmarillion all the way through so I don't know if they are creating new stories using Tolkein's characters or if they are adding their own spin to the book's tales. Whichever, I'm enjoying it so far for what it is. I didn't go into it with high expectations anyway. I am slightly disappointed that they didn't do some brief intro that covered the book's creation story and how Melkor went bad, some history behind the current story.

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              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                So they thought they can write a better story, so payed hundred of millions of dollars to butcher Tolkien's work... The series is actually a sale of the characters - all of them on the self at the same time...

                "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." ― Albert Einstein

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                We watched the first episode and it sucked. I'm an avid Tolkien fan and I agree this is a sell out...and a bad one at that!

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  I haven't heard a single good comments about Rings of Power, yet it still has a 6.7 on IMDb. Now 6.7 is not a lot, especially for a series that cost a billion, but from the comments I'd expected something less than 6. I'd still watch an action movie with a 6.7. Rotten Tomatoes is on point, as always... A 85% score by critics and 39% score by audience :laugh:

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                  Reviews have been disabled at IMDb, likely because Amazon owns it. They first went through and deleted a whole bunch of very low ratings. Curiously, there were no reviews on-line at Amazon the last time I looked. I am getting the impression that public response to this has been largely abysmal.

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                    I've never read the Silmarillion all the way through so I don't know if they are creating new stories using Tolkein's characters or if they are adding their own spin to the book's tales. Whichever, I'm enjoying it so far for what it is. I didn't go into it with high expectations anyway. I am slightly disappointed that they didn't do some brief intro that covered the book's creation story and how Melkor went bad, some history behind the current story.

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                    Second. I twice tried reading it, and never made it to page 200.

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                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                      So they thought they can write a better story, so payed hundred of millions of dollars to butcher Tolkien's work... The series is actually a sale of the characters - all of them on the self at the same time...

                      "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." ― Albert Einstein

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                      Mehdi Gholam
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                      There is a difference between a professor of English who devote his life to creating a piece of work, and someone who thinks 140 characters is literature. You would thick there would be adult supervision for the a 10th of what they spent...

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                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                        So they thought they can write a better story, so payed hundred of millions of dollars to butcher Tolkien's work... The series is actually a sale of the characters - all of them on the self at the same time...

                        "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid." ― Albert Einstein

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                        Haven't seen it yet working my way through Dark Matter, I've heard it's visually very good...

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