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  • S Sam Hobbs

    Very many people are using got improperly. For example, Got a programming question is improper; Have a programming question is proper.

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    BillWoodruff
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    reading a great discussion like this i get goosebumps, and, a rhythmic tingle in the tangle of neurons in Broca's area in the inferior frontal gyrus ... as the song says, "Who could ask for anything more ?" Kate Smith: I Got Rhythm (with lyrics) - YouTube[^] i propose that the appropriateness of semantic choices to express "possession or ownership" is culture and context bound ... for those who can be aware of the choices, and make conscious or intuitive decisions on which to use ... that is one thing ... for those who simply use what they are accustomed to, independent of context ... that is a very different thing. in broad terms, i would say "get and got" are less formal than "have and had." But, "get" is more a verb. excuse me while i go get lunch: today i think i'll have ... tuna salad.

    «The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

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    • S Sam Hobbs

      I strongly agree that English needs extensive improvement with thinking and planning. Something new that happens because someone feels it could be an improvement could make things worse. Use of words for multiple purposes are more likely to add to the confusion. Use of got in this different manner adds to the confusion. An example of a change that does not add value is the use of the apostrophe symbol instead of the quotation symbol for quotes, as in: 'wrong' instead of "wrong" 'proper' instead of "proper" That change adds no value; it is more likely to cause confusion.

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      Nelviticus
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      Two things: firstly language isn't planned, it just happens; you can document how it's used at a point in time but that's just a snapshot (and a geographically-specific one). Secondly (and I can't recall whether I was taught this or heard it) I believe that single quotes are used when quoting phrases etc. and double quotes are used when quoting something that was actually said/written, so we can discuss whether it's correct in general to say 'I got a question' or we can discuss whether Jane was correct to say "I got a question".

      Regards Nelviticus

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      • K kalberts

        "I got it bad (and that ain't good)" dates back to 1941.

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        Gary Wheeler
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        I've got a version of that sung by Gladys Knight that is awesome.

        Software Zen: delete this;

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        • D David ONeil

          It isn't written in Rust. Fix that and it will work.

          Our Forgotten Astronomy | Object Oriented Programming with C++ | Wordle solver

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          bryanren
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          I got to learn me some of that.

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          • S Sam Hobbs

            Very many people are using got improperly. For example, Got a programming question is improper; Have a programming question is proper.

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            Steve Naidamast
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            Most people today are destroying the English language (at least in the States). There are no such words as "wanna" and "gonna" but these two atrocities appear in everything from news articles to web postings. The proper lexicon is "want to" and "going to" but who cares anymore? As long as the point gets across. People are no longer forced to use English correctly because it may hurt their feelings or something. Its always about someone's feelings. What about simply growing up?

            Steve Naidamast Sr. Software Engineer Black Falcon Software, Inc. blackfalconsoftware@outlook.com

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            • K kalberts

              "I got it bad (and that ain't good)" dates back to 1941.

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              sasadler
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              Don't forget Sonny and Chers "I got you babe".

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              • S Sam Hobbs

                Very many people are using got improperly. For example, Got a programming question is improper; Have a programming question is proper.

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                StatementTerminator
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                "Got a programming question is improper; Have a programming question is proper."

                In formal English neither is correct, you're missing the subject. To be complete sentences they should be something like "I've got a programming question" or "I have a programming question," but that's a matter of interpretation because those sentence fragments are missing important info, which is the point. In informal English though, it's common to drop implied bits when they are understood in context. So in informal speech, sentence fragments like that are fine, both of them. It's a form of informal abbreviation. Dropping the "have" in "I've got" to just "got" is a similar form of abbreviation. Have/got are both fine if used correctly, but most go with "have" for reasons of style. "Have" is more common in formal English but "got" is not incorrect.

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                • S Sam Hobbs

                  I strongly agree that English needs extensive improvement with thinking and planning. Something new that happens because someone feels it could be an improvement could make things worse. Use of words for multiple purposes are more likely to add to the confusion. Use of got in this different manner adds to the confusion. An example of a change that does not add value is the use of the apostrophe symbol instead of the quotation symbol for quotes, as in: 'wrong' instead of "wrong" 'proper' instead of "proper" That change adds no value; it is more likely to cause confusion.

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                  StatementTerminator
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                  In American English at least, double quotes are always used for quotes except in the case of nested quotes, which use single quotes. Using single quotes outside of a larger quote is just plain bad punctuation. But no one even cares about grammar and spelling anymore, let alone the occult art of punctuation.

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                  • S StatementTerminator

                    In American English at least, double quotes are always used for quotes except in the case of nested quotes, which use single quotes. Using single quotes outside of a larger quote is just plain bad punctuation. But no one even cares about grammar and spelling anymore, let alone the occult art of punctuation.

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                    Sam Hobbs
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                    Yes. Probably programmers have gotten confused by the use of apostrophes for strings in many languages. And confusion like with the use of words can make communication difficult. A language must be understood by everyone using it.

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                    • S Sam Hobbs

                      Very many people are using got improperly. For example, Got a programming question is improper; Have a programming question is proper.

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                      Shmoken99
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                      I got rabies. I have a lot of questions about rabies. Typo - I meant babies.

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