Would you work at Twitter now?
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Serious question, without trying to be too political. This isn't really about politics, but workplace quality. I'm just asking you, as a developer, would you put up with working in that atmosphere? By all appearances, from the little I've seen, I'd have been out the door before the ink was dry on Elon's buyout. Not because of who he is or what he believes, but because of how he runs things. My guess is his top talent has already fled.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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On the bright side, I believe the world has continually improved throughout the years, even if it doesn't feel like it some times. Our problems are far more in our faces than they ever were before, because they are no longer hiding. Some people want to take us back to the good old days. Which ones? Where we interned people of Japanese descent, because that country was at war with us? Where we sterilized Indians without their consent? Where colored people were relegated to serfdom? Hopefully those days are finally behind us, in spite of this last 'huzzah' from those old torch bearers. When we realize we are all in this together, then things will be a little less depressing, and more interesting!
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We're flirting with the political here, but I will say it looks like at least my country is headed for a dramatic and ugly social reset. I'm not sure what it will look like, or the precise timeline, but I think we're past the point of avoiding it. Societies of millions of people steer like the Titanic, and the proverbial iceberg is already upon us. Society largely responds by attempting to rearrange the deck chairs, and another empire (one of the last) comes tumbling down. Or perhaps not, but every generation recently has had it worse than the last. It's been in fairly steady decline since the 80s and 90s in the US depending on which rubber ruler you use. I'm not saying things won't get better - but all of my money is on them getting worse first. Such as it is, given my circumstances in their totality, I'm looking for greener pastures among our northern neighbors.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Serious question, without trying to be too political. This isn't really about politics, but workplace quality. I'm just asking you, as a developer, would you put up with working in that atmosphere? By all appearances, from the little I've seen, I'd have been out the door before the ink was dry on Elon's buyout. Not because of who he is or what he believes, but because of how he runs things. My guess is his top talent has already fled.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
I might, but I probably wouldn't last due to "insubordination".
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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We're flirting with the political here, but I will say it looks like at least my country is headed for a dramatic and ugly social reset. I'm not sure what it will look like, or the precise timeline, but I think we're past the point of avoiding it. Societies of millions of people steer like the Titanic, and the proverbial iceberg is already upon us. Society largely responds by attempting to rearrange the deck chairs, and another empire (one of the last) comes tumbling down. Or perhaps not, but every generation recently has had it worse than the last. It's been in fairly steady decline since the 80s and 90s in the US depending on which rubber ruler you use. I'm not saying things won't get better - but all of my money is on them getting worse first. Such as it is, given my circumstances in their totality, I'm looking for greener pastures among our northern neighbors.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
Good luck with your search!
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It sounds to me like he's demanding 80 hour weeks by producing ultimatums like "deliver this by the drop dead date or you're all fired" An employer that thinks he could treat me like that would quickly find himself hitting the bricks looking for another senior dev or architect. But then, I don't really have to look for work. It finds me. I'm surprised anyone here would prefer working conditions like that.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
My brother worked for Microsoft for several years. He told me that the expectation* there is everyone works a minimum 60 hours, but 80 is encouraged*. *Read: unvoiced demands enforced by subtle work environment carrots and sticks.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
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My brother worked for Microsoft for several years. He told me that the expectation* there is everyone works a minimum 60 hours, but 80 is encouraged*. *Read: unvoiced demands enforced by subtle work environment carrots and sticks.
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP.
That's one of the reasons I haven't worked for them since Whistler was in development.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Serious question, without trying to be too political. This isn't really about politics, but workplace quality. I'm just asking you, as a developer, would you put up with working in that atmosphere? By all appearances, from the little I've seen, I'd have been out the door before the ink was dry on Elon's buyout. Not because of who he is or what he believes, but because of how he runs things. My guess is his top talent has already fled.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
Not before, because I definitely would not have fit into the "woke" company culture. Not now, because I am an employee, not a slave. The question is academic, because they don't have a development centre in Israel)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Serious question, without trying to be too political. This isn't really about politics, but workplace quality. I'm just asking you, as a developer, would you put up with working in that atmosphere? By all appearances, from the little I've seen, I'd have been out the door before the ink was dry on Elon's buyout. Not because of who he is or what he believes, but because of how he runs things. My guess is his top talent has already fled.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
I would never work for him, no matter if tweeter, tesla or whatever other company he runs or owns. And if I were already working there, I would have started to look for another thing (even taking a pay cut).
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Twitter Managers Told Staff to Work 12-Hour Shifts, 7 Days a Week: CNBC[^] This kind of thing plus the "deliver on my due date or you're all fired" ultimatums wouldn't put you off?
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If this is a “get a few major goals met quickly” so we can enjoy some down time over the holidays, I would grind it out. After rolling out the new verification system or whatever project fell on my team, if they pulled the same deadline sh*t again then I would leave. I am sure he wants the new verification system and other high priority items in place so that he can sue to claw back some of the purchase price. (and stiff the C suite of their $100+M payouts)
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If this is a “get a few major goals met quickly” so we can enjoy some down time over the holidays, I would grind it out. After rolling out the new verification system or whatever project fell on my team, if they pulled the same deadline sh*t again then I would leave. I am sure he wants the new verification system and other high priority items in place so that he can sue to claw back some of the purchase price. (and stiff the C suite of their $100+M payouts)
Don't quote me because I'll deny everything but I heard he runs Tesla this way too.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Serious question, without trying to be too political. This isn't really about politics, but workplace quality. I'm just asking you, as a developer, would you put up with working in that atmosphere? By all appearances, from the little I've seen, I'd have been out the door before the ink was dry on Elon's buyout. Not because of who he is or what he believes, but because of how he runs things. My guess is his top talent has already fled.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
Right now it seems like Elon is taking a revenge as he has already fired the top management & Board of Directors for all the arguments they had regarding the deal. If he continues to make drastic changes in the working conditions which are not employees friendly then definitely no one will not want to work in such a toxic environment. Business changes are expected after an organization takeover but how does it impact on the peoples working environment is actually matters
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Serious question, without trying to be too political. This isn't really about politics, but workplace quality. I'm just asking you, as a developer, would you put up with working in that atmosphere? By all appearances, from the little I've seen, I'd have been out the door before the ink was dry on Elon's buyout. Not because of who he is or what he believes, but because of how he runs things. My guess is his top talent has already fled.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
Absolutely not
Paul Sanders. If I had more time, I would have written a shorter letter - Blaise Pascal. Some of my best work is in the undo buffer.
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I live in the midwest US and over the many years of my career I've experienced a lot of the challenges of working in IT which have always been related to people having too much power & no accountability. I've only seen short periods of time at any company where the environment is anything nice. When it gets real ugly, then you go to the next company. That part of the career has not been fun.
Pretty much all problems in the workplace (and beyond) are "related to people having too much power & no accountability" - not just in IT.
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Serious question, without trying to be too political. This isn't really about politics, but workplace quality. I'm just asking you, as a developer, would you put up with working in that atmosphere? By all appearances, from the little I've seen, I'd have been out the door before the ink was dry on Elon's buyout. Not because of who he is or what he believes, but because of how he runs things. My guess is his top talent has already fled.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
Yes I would work at Twitter. I don't mind intense work even 36h days if it is for some deadline which is not too far into the future maybe a month or three, perhaps because I am single. Besides, I could use the ca$h as I lust for a Magnum Dynalab Harbeth system.
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Yes I would work at Twitter. I don't mind intense work even 36h days if it is for some deadline which is not too far into the future maybe a month or three, perhaps because I am single. Besides, I could use the ca$h as I lust for a Magnum Dynalab Harbeth system.
The hours aren't what puts me off so much as the ultimatums. "You're all fired if you don't meet this deadline" - seriously? That's how he's going to run the place? Big nope from me. I will not be abused by some jerk with more money than sense.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Serious question, without trying to be too political. This isn't really about politics, but workplace quality. I'm just asking you, as a developer, would you put up with working in that atmosphere? By all appearances, from the little I've seen, I'd have been out the door before the ink was dry on Elon's buyout. Not because of who he is or what he believes, but because of how he runs things. My guess is his top talent has already fled.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
interesting read thru the responses. Codewitch. I agree with you. I would not work for Elon. He abuses people. There was a job 5+ years ago at Space-X. I was checking it out. I figured I was more than good enough to do the job. But the more I read one line in the job description the more I didn't want to work there. "You will be required to work extra hours in order to hit deadlines" Seriously, Ummm hard pass. I agree with the people who said Twitter's work ethic before Musk was horrible. True, but a hard swing the other way is not going to help either. I honestly think people (myself for sure) need something to do. They need a job. IT is part of being a balanced human being. But 30 to 40 is plenty of hours to work each week. The rest should be spent being good to those around you and to yourself.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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Serious question, without trying to be too political. This isn't really about politics, but workplace quality. I'm just asking you, as a developer, would you put up with working in that atmosphere? By all appearances, from the little I've seen, I'd have been out the door before the ink was dry on Elon's buyout. Not because of who he is or what he believes, but because of how he runs things. My guess is his top talent has already fled.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
I think it is pretty common for people like Elon to look for employees who want to throw 100% of themselves into their careers. I've avoided those sorts of environments but have no issues with CEOs/Employees who enjoy those types of working environments. I prefer low pressure work @ 40hrs. per week. I make less money, but spend less on self-medication. :)
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I honestly want to see the big social media platforms fail, and keep failing until we as a global community pull our heads out of our collective elephant to the degree that we can handle. "A lie travels halfway around the world before the truth gets its shoes on" - the old saw has only been shown terribly true with the addition of the Internet. And it's not about a failure of critical thinking. The problem is larger than that. Modern propaganda isn't singularly about misinforming anymore. It's about flooding the zone, and exhausting your ability to reason with too much information. Kind of like tobacco companies used to produce damning evidence against them buried under virtual mountains of other discovery, so that no human beings could sift through it in any reasonable time. We are not ready for mass many to many communication.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Serious question, without trying to be too political. This isn't really about politics, but workplace quality. I'm just asking you, as a developer, would you put up with working in that atmosphere? By all appearances, from the little I've seen, I'd have been out the door before the ink was dry on Elon's buyout. Not because of who he is or what he believes, but because of how he runs things. My guess is his top talent has already fled.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
Assuming I would have taken a job at Twitter to begin with (I wouldn't have), I too would be out the door in a hurry. Musk's theory of operation is the antithesis to my beliefs and management theory. Also, I wouldn't last long if I stayed as I don't play the sycophant role very well.
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Serious question, without trying to be too political. This isn't really about politics, but workplace quality. I'm just asking you, as a developer, would you put up with working in that atmosphere? By all appearances, from the little I've seen, I'd have been out the door before the ink was dry on Elon's buyout. Not because of who he is or what he believes, but because of how he runs things. My guess is his top talent has already fled.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
I would in a heart beat. This is why. You don't get to be the richest person in the world without doing things right. Musk is a workhorse. He worked over a 100 hrs a week to get Tesla off the ground. Everybody doubted him. If you look at the great entrepreneurs in History, they persevered. Edison failed 3000 times before he got the light bulb right. Working for people like this is the best education. I learned so much about business from working at Walmart - the #1 retailer, far more than any teacher who has only read in books and not "done" what they teach. There is so much to grow as a human being by persevering through the tough parts. you learn to handle emotions in a much better way. Those that can - do. Those that can't - complain and switch jobs.