Back to the Future - MS Edition
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My muscles are relaxed and I feel so good! I've just discovered that Win11 added the option to open Task Manager when you right-click on taskbar. I know there are many other ways of opening the Task Manager but my hands just have muscle memory and every time I wanted to open it, my hands would right click on the task bar just to see that the option is no longer there (by this time brain will kick in and click on Ctrl-Shift-Esc to open said Task Manager). Imagine my surprise this morning when hands again went to right click and eyes noticed the old/new option. Not sure when this happened but sure was a nice surprise. Soon Win11 will look just like Win10 but with rounded corners.
Mircea
I think that's a challenge that Microsoft face - they have to usher in the new version, but not too different from the present one.
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I think that's a challenge that Microsoft face - they have to usher in the new version, but not too different from the present one.
That's my problem with all major version Windows upgrades. I'm all for the additional security, support for new devices and device types, etc., but why do they have to mess around with the UI? :mad: (I don't mean the way things look; I mean the keyboard shortcuts, context menus, placement of options in "Settings", etc.)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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My muscles are relaxed and I feel so good! I've just discovered that Win11 added the option to open Task Manager when you right-click on taskbar. I know there are many other ways of opening the Task Manager but my hands just have muscle memory and every time I wanted to open it, my hands would right click on the task bar just to see that the option is no longer there (by this time brain will kick in and click on Ctrl-Shift-Esc to open said Task Manager). Imagine my surprise this morning when hands again went to right click and eyes noticed the old/new option. Not sure when this happened but sure was a nice surprise. Soon Win11 will look just like Win10 but with rounded corners.
Mircea
I can understand your frustration. Sometimes the UI changes are 'unnecessary'. But then: There is a shortage of available resources - not in manpower or CPU cycles, but in input alternatives. I have been arguing with *nix (/x11) people who reject Windows because you cannot simply left click a word (or double click for the line), and then right click to paste it somewhere else: Windows designers decided that we cannot occupy the mouse buttons for one single functions! Sorry, you *nix oldtimers, even though your old cut&paste was very efficient, you will have to abandon it. Mouse buttons must be available for other functions as well. There are only so many F keys available, so many control keys, Alt-keys, ... Furthermore, we would like functions to be reasonably logically grouped: Win functions make one functional group, Ctrl another one. If we want to keep some order, not even all the theoretically available functions can be used. Keystrokes are in short supply. You have a similar situation with menus: Which entry should be on top? Which should be in the main menu, rather than the submenu? Different demands can go into a dogfight, and sometimes, the "newcomer" wins, and the old established top menu entry is moved. For several applications, you can allow them to report 'telemetry data' to some statistics center: One essential purpose is to see which functions are rarely if ever used: In the next release, those are moved over to a submenu, or maybe even left out. One curious example: A generation ago, HP introduced a new 'scientific' calculator - it may have been with HP-41C, but I think the story is even older. Some users complained to HP that the calculator could no longer do factorials (!), which had been available on all earlier scientific models. 'Oh yes, but it can do factorials', HP support replied, 'it is just that we didn't have any key position available for it!' Factorial was provided in a math plugin, which calculated it 'longhand', as if user programmed - several times slower than the old built-in one. For menus such as right click in the task bar, there is no hard limit on the number of entries. Studies have shown that an average person can overview seven menu entries at a glance. Beyond that, we have to search the menu from top down. My current Win10 context menu has 14 entries. If Win11 really would like to add, say, another six entries that are more requested by users, they could accept a huge 20-entry menu, or shorten it down by removing those entries use
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My muscles are relaxed and I feel so good! I've just discovered that Win11 added the option to open Task Manager when you right-click on taskbar. I know there are many other ways of opening the Task Manager but my hands just have muscle memory and every time I wanted to open it, my hands would right click on the task bar just to see that the option is no longer there (by this time brain will kick in and click on Ctrl-Shift-Esc to open said Task Manager). Imagine my surprise this morning when hands again went to right click and eyes noticed the old/new option. Not sure when this happened but sure was a nice surprise. Soon Win11 will look just like Win10 but with rounded corners.
Mircea
I've always used ctrl-alt-del to get to the task manager. Never knew there is a direct shortcut or context menu. And I exist by PC since Win95.
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I've always used ctrl-alt-del to get to the task manager. Never knew there is a direct shortcut or context menu. And I exist by PC since Win95.
There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
Sure, one of these johnny-come-lately! Were were you in the times of Win 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups ;P
Mircea
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Sure, one of these johnny-come-lately! Were were you in the times of Win 3.1 and Windows for Workgroups ;P
Mircea
And where were you in the time of CP/M? ... And where was I in the time of OS/360? ... :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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And where were you in the time of CP/M? ... And where was I in the time of OS/360? ... :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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I don't know where you'd find bug-free programs. I can't imagine that there are computers in Heaven, and in Hell the programs wouldn't be bug-free. :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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I've always used ctrl-alt-del to get to the task manager. Never knew there is a direct shortcut or context menu. And I exist by PC since Win95.
There is only one Vera Farmiga and Salma Hayek is her prophet! Advertise here – minimum three posts per day are guaranteed.
The direct shortcut is CTRL+Shift+ESC, and this is what I am using.
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I can understand your frustration. Sometimes the UI changes are 'unnecessary'. But then: There is a shortage of available resources - not in manpower or CPU cycles, but in input alternatives. I have been arguing with *nix (/x11) people who reject Windows because you cannot simply left click a word (or double click for the line), and then right click to paste it somewhere else: Windows designers decided that we cannot occupy the mouse buttons for one single functions! Sorry, you *nix oldtimers, even though your old cut&paste was very efficient, you will have to abandon it. Mouse buttons must be available for other functions as well. There are only so many F keys available, so many control keys, Alt-keys, ... Furthermore, we would like functions to be reasonably logically grouped: Win functions make one functional group, Ctrl another one. If we want to keep some order, not even all the theoretically available functions can be used. Keystrokes are in short supply. You have a similar situation with menus: Which entry should be on top? Which should be in the main menu, rather than the submenu? Different demands can go into a dogfight, and sometimes, the "newcomer" wins, and the old established top menu entry is moved. For several applications, you can allow them to report 'telemetry data' to some statistics center: One essential purpose is to see which functions are rarely if ever used: In the next release, those are moved over to a submenu, or maybe even left out. One curious example: A generation ago, HP introduced a new 'scientific' calculator - it may have been with HP-41C, but I think the story is even older. Some users complained to HP that the calculator could no longer do factorials (!), which had been available on all earlier scientific models. 'Oh yes, but it can do factorials', HP support replied, 'it is just that we didn't have any key position available for it!' Factorial was provided in a math plugin, which calculated it 'longhand', as if user programmed - several times slower than the old built-in one. For menus such as right click in the task bar, there is no hard limit on the number of entries. Studies have shown that an average person can overview seven menu entries at a glance. Beyond that, we have to search the menu from top down. My current Win10 context menu has 14 entries. If Win11 really would like to add, say, another six entries that are more requested by users, they could accept a huge 20-entry menu, or shorten it down by removing those entries use
What gets me about a lot of changes (especially to UI) with MS is that they never actually seem to research the effects of the changes on actual, real-world, not in the MS eco-system users, so things that make no sense get through, only to be retracted or tweaked later when real users start bitching! Like so many dev firms, its more important to have something new and shiny than to provide something actually useful. The latest Windows 11 upgrade has, for example, severely impacted my 4K laptop usability: Until now, if using in laptop mode (ie with keyboard and mouse) all file search menus were like my desktop (also 4K Win 11) with nice compact lists of files, easy to scan and select from with the mouse. Now, because my laptop CAN be folded into a tablet (which used to switch tablet mode on automatically) it is now in tablet mode permanently, so file search lists are widely spaced for better usability with touch and the option to use 'desktop' mode has been removed. So despite having 4K desktop and 4K laptop, the usability of the laptop has been reduced by the removal of a very useful and long-lived feature for no apparent reason. This is a minor thing but reflects the whole MS culture around UI. Think back to the win8 debacle, when a whole new UI was introduced but with absolutely, positively no on-screen help or prompts as to how to drive it. Turn on the machine, you are faced with maybe an icon to launch something, no indication or guides as to the touch or mouse gestures needed to interact with the machine and - if you had a keyboard attached - nothing about the UI in the F1 help either - which in any case didn't work at all if you weren't displaying the desktop rather than the (default) front touch menu. Another major UI failing is the introduction of the 'button' bars across the top of Office applications etc. Just as the world was adopting ever wider ie landscape screens, the apps for working on documents (the vast majority of which are portrait) removed large vertical spaces from the screen for their 'menus' making viewing significant portions of the thing you are working on much harder. Likewise the recent decision by MS to stop you from moving the taskbar to the side of the screen to give you more vertical working area - why? Who's work is made easier by doing that? Sorry, rant over, but this kind of stupidity really boils my piss!
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My muscles are relaxed and I feel so good! I've just discovered that Win11 added the option to open Task Manager when you right-click on taskbar. I know there are many other ways of opening the Task Manager but my hands just have muscle memory and every time I wanted to open it, my hands would right click on the task bar just to see that the option is no longer there (by this time brain will kick in and click on Ctrl-Shift-Esc to open said Task Manager). Imagine my surprise this morning when hands again went to right click and eyes noticed the old/new option. Not sure when this happened but sure was a nice surprise. Soon Win11 will look just like Win10 but with rounded corners.
Mircea
im still pissed with the context menu. 90% of use for context menu is open in notepad++ (multiple times a day ir not hourley), 7zip, and folder search agent ransack "show more options" :wtf: I know regedit to change this, but works machine I don't want to mess that much with. glad to hear that maybe when get update task manager
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What gets me about a lot of changes (especially to UI) with MS is that they never actually seem to research the effects of the changes on actual, real-world, not in the MS eco-system users, so things that make no sense get through, only to be retracted or tweaked later when real users start bitching! Like so many dev firms, its more important to have something new and shiny than to provide something actually useful. The latest Windows 11 upgrade has, for example, severely impacted my 4K laptop usability: Until now, if using in laptop mode (ie with keyboard and mouse) all file search menus were like my desktop (also 4K Win 11) with nice compact lists of files, easy to scan and select from with the mouse. Now, because my laptop CAN be folded into a tablet (which used to switch tablet mode on automatically) it is now in tablet mode permanently, so file search lists are widely spaced for better usability with touch and the option to use 'desktop' mode has been removed. So despite having 4K desktop and 4K laptop, the usability of the laptop has been reduced by the removal of a very useful and long-lived feature for no apparent reason. This is a minor thing but reflects the whole MS culture around UI. Think back to the win8 debacle, when a whole new UI was introduced but with absolutely, positively no on-screen help or prompts as to how to drive it. Turn on the machine, you are faced with maybe an icon to launch something, no indication or guides as to the touch or mouse gestures needed to interact with the machine and - if you had a keyboard attached - nothing about the UI in the F1 help either - which in any case didn't work at all if you weren't displaying the desktop rather than the (default) front touch menu. Another major UI failing is the introduction of the 'button' bars across the top of Office applications etc. Just as the world was adopting ever wider ie landscape screens, the apps for working on documents (the vast majority of which are portrait) removed large vertical spaces from the screen for their 'menus' making viewing significant portions of the thing you are working on much harder. Likewise the recent decision by MS to stop you from moving the taskbar to the side of the screen to give you more vertical working area - why? Who's work is made easier by doing that? Sorry, rant over, but this kind of stupidity really boils my piss!
I refuse to use any Word later than 2003, the last one before the button bar appeared. As well as taking up screen area, the bar was more difficult to use than menus because you have to scan the whole bar looking for a function.
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My muscles are relaxed and I feel so good! I've just discovered that Win11 added the option to open Task Manager when you right-click on taskbar. I know there are many other ways of opening the Task Manager but my hands just have muscle memory and every time I wanted to open it, my hands would right click on the task bar just to see that the option is no longer there (by this time brain will kick in and click on Ctrl-Shift-Esc to open said Task Manager). Imagine my surprise this morning when hands again went to right click and eyes noticed the old/new option. Not sure when this happened but sure was a nice surprise. Soon Win11 will look just like Win10 but with rounded corners.
Mircea
Now they just need to make the taskbar side-dockable again.
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My muscles are relaxed and I feel so good! I've just discovered that Win11 added the option to open Task Manager when you right-click on taskbar. I know there are many other ways of opening the Task Manager but my hands just have muscle memory and every time I wanted to open it, my hands would right click on the task bar just to see that the option is no longer there (by this time brain will kick in and click on Ctrl-Shift-Esc to open said Task Manager). Imagine my surprise this morning when hands again went to right click and eyes noticed the old/new option. Not sure when this happened but sure was a nice surprise. Soon Win11 will look just like Win10 but with rounded corners.
Mircea
i skipped windows vista and windows 7 and went directly to windows 8.1, because in windows explorer there was no "up directory" button people trying to explain to me that i am stupid and that breadcrumbs are a better way to navigate the file system just made my decision firm to stay on windows xp. i am infinitely more grateful if someone declares that my opinion doesn't matter at all, than telling me that they switched to a better solution for me, that i would love to use cheers
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And where were you in the time of CP/M? ... And where was I in the time of OS/360? ... :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
CP/M That was the OS I used at home while working on by BSCS it allowed me to program at home vs classmates going to the LAB to do homework. In those days you needed to program in ASM just to get peripherals to work. Good memories :-D
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I don't know where you'd find bug-free programs. I can't imagine that there are computers in Heaven, and in Hell the programs wouldn't be bug-free. :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
I can't imagine that there are computers in Heaven
They sure must be! And they all answer to "Hello, Computer" :laugh:
Mircea
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CP/M That was the OS I used at home while working on by BSCS it allowed me to program at home vs classmates going to the LAB to do homework. In those days you needed to program in ASM just to get peripherals to work. Good memories :-D
Those were some of the most fun days of my computer building. I built a number of interesting and useful peripheral boards for my home build CP/M based system (S100 bus). A 4K RAM board, a control board for an IBM selectric typewriter mechanism (no dot matrix printouts for me!), a Votrax based speech synthesizer board and a cassette tape backup board. I just loved the low level design and programming.
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Those were some of the most fun days of my computer building. I built a number of interesting and useful peripheral boards for my home build CP/M based system (S100 bus). A 4K RAM board, a control board for an IBM selectric typewriter mechanism (no dot matrix printouts for me!), a Votrax based speech synthesizer board and a cassette tape backup board. I just loved the low level design and programming.
Oh Wow, I forgot about that I bought the Vortrax chip (I think it was about $65 a lot for the mid 80's) wire wrapped a S100 Board with an ADC and an RTC and had a talking Clock as well as a talking voltmeter The system also greeted me on Powerup. You can Thank the movie 2001 and the HAL 9000 for some of the that went into that system.
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Oh Wow, I forgot about that I bought the Vortrax chip (I think it was about $65 a lot for the mid 80's) wire wrapped a S100 Board with an ADC and an RTC and had a talking Clock as well as a talking voltmeter The system also greeted me on Powerup. You can Thank the movie 2001 and the HAL 9000 for some of the that went into that system.
