AI will replace everyone
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All low skill and low IQ people on earth will be replaced by AI systems. That is a fact. Question now is, how do these replaced peoples survive? Interesting note, the first fully automated (no humans) McDonalds is being tested now here in the state of Texas in America. McDonald's Tests Fully Automated Location With No Human Employees[^]
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In America, a person is hard-pressed to find any remaining good farmland due to the ever increasing urban sprawl. We import more now, than ever before. Almost every farmer in America has to be subsidized by the local and federal governments in order to remain functional and viable. Edit: farmland is getting smaller, in acreage, every year, due to urban sprawl. My original comment made it read as if we don't have any farmland left. Also, interesting to note, that Bill Gates owns a tremendous amount of farm land in the United States now and he is anti-beef/cattle and pro meat substitute.
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In America, a person is hard-pressed to find any remaining good farmland due to the ever increasing urban sprawl. We import more now, than ever before. Almost every farmer in America has to be subsidized by the local and federal governments in order to remain functional and viable. Edit: farmland is getting smaller, in acreage, every year, due to urban sprawl. My original comment made it read as if we don't have any farmland left. Also, interesting to note, that Bill Gates owns a tremendous amount of farm land in the United States now and he is anti-beef/cattle and pro meat substitute.
Lot's here in Georgia USA. I think the real issue has more to do with being profitable. If you were doing it to survive, you would have of course a huge reduction in your "standard of living" - but you'd survive. A friend from decades past went to college specifically to become a farmer. He did quite well, but he worked his butt off. He got started in the land crash around 1980 and bought out a bankrupt farm for 10 cents on the dollar. He also picked this farm due to its peanut quota. Yep, there's that government thing again. Me? I'm about to grab a free chicken run and get me some egg layers.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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"increased project productivity, increased responsiveness to user needs and flexibility in the face of changing requirements, Shorter project times, enhanced system quality, improved project management, increased standardization, ability to replace project personnel easily, ability to leverage managerial, ..." https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/57216.57228[^] Case tools if you were wondering. And from 1988. Myself I am not too concerned about alarmist rhetoric about what AI projects might mean for programming. Nor really for other types of the work force either. Far as I can recall I first saw an automated order entry system in a fast food restaurant in the 1990's. Yet today I still see a person behind the counter for every fast food place I go to. I will note a reduction in cashiers in grocery stores (and Walmart) but that is only because the cashiers have been replaced by me and not a machine. Not to mention of course that 'AI' as it is used now is actually just an extreme version of pattern matching. A real 'AI' as it has been generally discussed for at least the past 100 years is visually represented in the movie "I, Robot" in the opening part of the movie is where a robot sees a woman's purse being stolen on a busy sidewalk, chases the thief, catches the thief and then returns the purse. Now when that happens then I might be concerned about what jobs robots might replace.
Any work that requires conscious decision making will be outside of AI for quite a lot of time.
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"increased project productivity, increased responsiveness to user needs and flexibility in the face of changing requirements, Shorter project times, enhanced system quality, improved project management, increased standardization, ability to replace project personnel easily, ability to leverage managerial, ..." https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/57216.57228[^] Case tools if you were wondering. And from 1988. Myself I am not too concerned about alarmist rhetoric about what AI projects might mean for programming. Nor really for other types of the work force either. Far as I can recall I first saw an automated order entry system in a fast food restaurant in the 1990's. Yet today I still see a person behind the counter for every fast food place I go to. I will note a reduction in cashiers in grocery stores (and Walmart) but that is only because the cashiers have been replaced by me and not a machine. Not to mention of course that 'AI' as it is used now is actually just an extreme version of pattern matching. A real 'AI' as it has been generally discussed for at least the past 100 years is visually represented in the movie "I, Robot" in the opening part of the movie is where a robot sees a woman's purse being stolen on a busy sidewalk, chases the thief, catches the thief and then returns the purse. Now when that happens then I might be concerned about what jobs robots might replace.
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In America, a person is hard-pressed to find any remaining good farmland due to the ever increasing urban sprawl. We import more now, than ever before. Almost every farmer in America has to be subsidized by the local and federal governments in order to remain functional and viable. Edit: farmland is getting smaller, in acreage, every year, due to urban sprawl. My original comment made it read as if we don't have any farmland left. Also, interesting to note, that Bill Gates owns a tremendous amount of farm land in the United States now and he is anti-beef/cattle and pro meat substitute.
Where do you live? New jersey? Based on my searches, there are hundreds of acres for pennies in states like WV. And the arable land stays almost the same through the years. Urbanization levels are also constant for the last years. Actually, none of what you are saying happens to be true. You better be replaced with an AI. :-D United States Rate of Urbanization (2010 - 2021, %) - GlobalData[^]
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What if we are all AI programs running in the background in some weird integration test.
I want to be upgraded!
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In America, a person is hard-pressed to find any remaining good farmland due to the ever increasing urban sprawl. We import more now, than ever before. Almost every farmer in America has to be subsidized by the local and federal governments in order to remain functional and viable. Edit: farmland is getting smaller, in acreage, every year, due to urban sprawl. My original comment made it read as if we don't have any farmland left. Also, interesting to note, that Bill Gates owns a tremendous amount of farm land in the United States now and he is anti-beef/cattle and pro meat substitute.
Not only urban sprawl, but I heard that China is buying up American farmland at an alarming rate.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Where do you live? New jersey? Based on my searches, there are hundreds of acres for pennies in states like WV. And the arable land stays almost the same through the years. Urbanization levels are also constant for the last years. Actually, none of what you are saying happens to be true. You better be replaced with an AI. :-D United States Rate of Urbanization (2010 - 2021, %) - GlobalData[^]
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Well, I know you are a troll, and I think this is another prominent member's sock puppet account, almost sure of it, and I am almost 100% sure I know who you are. There are a number of articles and reports online describing how the farm land in America is getting smaller and smaller over time due to urban development, etc. Everything I said is true. The US Lost 1.3 Million Acres Of Farmland In 2021 - Here's Why It Matters[^]
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Not only urban sprawl, but I heard that China is buying up American farmland at an alarming rate.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
yes, they are. China has owned parts of the Port of Long Beach California for many years. Federal and local governments have been "trying" to limit this from growing for years. I think the battle still continues.
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Well, I know you are a troll, and I think this is another prominent member's sock puppet account, almost sure of it, and I am almost 100% sure I know who you are. There are a number of articles and reports online describing how the farm land in America is getting smaller and smaller over time due to urban development, etc. Everything I said is true. The US Lost 1.3 Million Acres Of Farmland In 2021 - Here's Why It Matters[^]
Nope, neither a troll nor a fake account. So, you're wrong again. :) And if I'm a troll why bother feeding me with some click-bite article? Even a simple AI would notice something fishy with the numbers this article is based on. Some 1.9 mil acres lost in housing annually. This is under 3000 square miles. Verry sensational.
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"increased project productivity, increased responsiveness to user needs and flexibility in the face of changing requirements, Shorter project times, enhanced system quality, improved project management, increased standardization, ability to replace project personnel easily, ability to leverage managerial, ..." https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/57216.57228[^] Case tools if you were wondering. And from 1988. Myself I am not too concerned about alarmist rhetoric about what AI projects might mean for programming. Nor really for other types of the work force either. Far as I can recall I first saw an automated order entry system in a fast food restaurant in the 1990's. Yet today I still see a person behind the counter for every fast food place I go to. I will note a reduction in cashiers in grocery stores (and Walmart) but that is only because the cashiers have been replaced by me and not a machine. Not to mention of course that 'AI' as it is used now is actually just an extreme version of pattern matching. A real 'AI' as it has been generally discussed for at least the past 100 years is visually represented in the movie "I, Robot" in the opening part of the movie is where a robot sees a woman's purse being stolen on a busy sidewalk, chases the thief, catches the thief and then returns the purse. Now when that happens then I might be concerned about what jobs robots might replace.
It’s pretty much as with car assembly plants, robots replace workers but you still need a couple of engineers in case robots go out of normal functioning order.
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"increased project productivity, increased responsiveness to user needs and flexibility in the face of changing requirements, Shorter project times, enhanced system quality, improved project management, increased standardization, ability to replace project personnel easily, ability to leverage managerial, ..." https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/57216.57228[^] Case tools if you were wondering. And from 1988. Myself I am not too concerned about alarmist rhetoric about what AI projects might mean for programming. Nor really for other types of the work force either. Far as I can recall I first saw an automated order entry system in a fast food restaurant in the 1990's. Yet today I still see a person behind the counter for every fast food place I go to. I will note a reduction in cashiers in grocery stores (and Walmart) but that is only because the cashiers have been replaced by me and not a machine. Not to mention of course that 'AI' as it is used now is actually just an extreme version of pattern matching. A real 'AI' as it has been generally discussed for at least the past 100 years is visually represented in the movie "I, Robot" in the opening part of the movie is where a robot sees a woman's purse being stolen on a busy sidewalk, chases the thief, catches the thief and then returns the purse. Now when that happens then I might be concerned about what jobs robots might replace.
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I will note a reduction in cashiers in grocery stores (and Walmart) but that is only because the cashiers have been replaced by me and not a machine.
Anyway they were replaced. Machines replaced highway tolls employees, here in Italy. I see AI could replace people in call centers.
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I see AI could replace people in call centers.
Not such good news for the Indian economy then.
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"increased project productivity, increased responsiveness to user needs and flexibility in the face of changing requirements, Shorter project times, enhanced system quality, improved project management, increased standardization, ability to replace project personnel easily, ability to leverage managerial, ..." https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/57216.57228[^] Case tools if you were wondering. And from 1988. Myself I am not too concerned about alarmist rhetoric about what AI projects might mean for programming. Nor really for other types of the work force either. Far as I can recall I first saw an automated order entry system in a fast food restaurant in the 1990's. Yet today I still see a person behind the counter for every fast food place I go to. I will note a reduction in cashiers in grocery stores (and Walmart) but that is only because the cashiers have been replaced by me and not a machine. Not to mention of course that 'AI' as it is used now is actually just an extreme version of pattern matching. A real 'AI' as it has been generally discussed for at least the past 100 years is visually represented in the movie "I, Robot" in the opening part of the movie is where a robot sees a woman's purse being stolen on a busy sidewalk, chases the thief, catches the thief and then returns the purse. Now when that happens then I might be concerned about what jobs robots might replace.
Until theft of original works to train the not-really-AI projects is stopped, I will continue to be bothered by AI offerings. At a bare minimum, folks need to be informed of the theft involved. But folks buy stolen things and things produced with stolen tech and art all the time, so I think we need some sort of legal action, criminal and civil until the theft is the shadow industry it should be and known as a criminal endeavor.
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All low skill and low IQ people on earth will be replaced by AI systems. That is a fact. Question now is, how do these replaced peoples survive? Interesting note, the first fully automated (no humans) McDonalds is being tested now here in the state of Texas in America. McDonald's Tests Fully Automated Location With No Human Employees[^]
Slacker007 wrote:
All low skill and low IQ people on earth will be replaced by AI systems.
And yet as I pointed out in my original post point of sale attempts at replacements have been going on for more than 20 years (might even be 30.) Actual installs into stores. Yet it still hasn't happened. And the replacements that have occurred, like Walmart cashiers is definitely not AI but, as also stated, because now the customers are doing the work.
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Well, I know you are a troll, and I think this is another prominent member's sock puppet account, almost sure of it, and I am almost 100% sure I know who you are. There are a number of articles and reports online describing how the farm land in America is getting smaller and smaller over time due to urban development, etc. Everything I said is true. The US Lost 1.3 Million Acres Of Farmland In 2021 - Here's Why It Matters[^]
Slacker007 wrote:
There are a number of articles and reports online
Perhaps but the single one you posted looks like click bait. The author's articles look alarmist. Kevin Vandenboss Author Profile | Benzinga[^] As an example the following is from the article itself. All sorts of problems with that. "The global food demand is increasing due to the growing population and rising incomes in developing countries. The United Nations estimates that crop production will have to increase by 60% by the year 2050 to feed the estimated 9.3 billion people living on the planet at that time." First of course is that the United States itself is not going to be feeding the world. Never has, never will. Second there has not been a actual lack of food in the world since some where in the 1900s. What is actually lacking is the very real money needed to move the food from where it is to where it is needed. Third the population of the earth specified is only an increase of about 25% in 2050. So no idea where 60% increase in food comes from now unless it suggesting everyone needs to be swimming in food. And what is not mentioned is that about 2050 the population of the world is going to plateau. Fourth the contribution of the US to the total world food supply has been going down. Not because of production but rather because other places are producing more, excessively more, and are delivering that excess. Presumably cheaper too. And also from that article and I suspect what the author is really interested in because all of the other articles are about 'investments' also. "An Overlooked Investment Option: While ETFs like Teucrium Wheat Fund ETV (ARCA: WEAT)..."
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Not only urban sprawl, but I heard that China is buying up American farmland at an alarming rate.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
but I heard that China is buying up American farmland at an alarming rate.
Alarming? China owns 190K acres. From 895 million. So 0.05 percent. Foreign Purchases of U.S. Agricultural Land: Facts, Figures, and an Assessment of Real Threats | Center for Strategic and International Studies[^] Now if you really want to get alarmed apparently Canada owns 29 percent. The site above also points out the following (which has been true for a long time.) "Food insecurity among U.S. families is primarily driven by poverty, not a lack of food"
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It’s pretty much as with car assembly plants, robots replace workers but you still need a couple of engineers in case robots go out of normal functioning order.
That statement is making the assumption, as with many alarmist articles, that it is given that the robot (or AI) will actually be able to replace the person. Consider the standard call center where the call center employees are mandated to follow a script. Of course that process can be replaced by an AI. But look at the following article. Do you think an AI is going to be doing that? Zappos' 10-Hour Long Customer Service Call Sets Record | HuffPost Impact[^]
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jshell - shall we sign up for a plumbing class :)
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
