AI will replace everyone
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Well, I know you are a troll, and I think this is another prominent member's sock puppet account, almost sure of it, and I am almost 100% sure I know who you are. There are a number of articles and reports online describing how the farm land in America is getting smaller and smaller over time due to urban development, etc. Everything I said is true. The US Lost 1.3 Million Acres Of Farmland In 2021 - Here's Why It Matters[^]
Slacker007 wrote:
There are a number of articles and reports online
Perhaps but the single one you posted looks like click bait. The author's articles look alarmist. Kevin Vandenboss Author Profile | Benzinga[^] As an example the following is from the article itself. All sorts of problems with that. "The global food demand is increasing due to the growing population and rising incomes in developing countries. The United Nations estimates that crop production will have to increase by 60% by the year 2050 to feed the estimated 9.3 billion people living on the planet at that time." First of course is that the United States itself is not going to be feeding the world. Never has, never will. Second there has not been a actual lack of food in the world since some where in the 1900s. What is actually lacking is the very real money needed to move the food from where it is to where it is needed. Third the population of the earth specified is only an increase of about 25% in 2050. So no idea where 60% increase in food comes from now unless it suggesting everyone needs to be swimming in food. And what is not mentioned is that about 2050 the population of the world is going to plateau. Fourth the contribution of the US to the total world food supply has been going down. Not because of production but rather because other places are producing more, excessively more, and are delivering that excess. Presumably cheaper too. And also from that article and I suspect what the author is really interested in because all of the other articles are about 'investments' also. "An Overlooked Investment Option: While ETFs like Teucrium Wheat Fund ETV (ARCA: WEAT)..."
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Not only urban sprawl, but I heard that China is buying up American farmland at an alarming rate.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
but I heard that China is buying up American farmland at an alarming rate.
Alarming? China owns 190K acres. From 895 million. So 0.05 percent. Foreign Purchases of U.S. Agricultural Land: Facts, Figures, and an Assessment of Real Threats | Center for Strategic and International Studies[^] Now if you really want to get alarmed apparently Canada owns 29 percent. The site above also points out the following (which has been true for a long time.) "Food insecurity among U.S. families is primarily driven by poverty, not a lack of food"
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It’s pretty much as with car assembly plants, robots replace workers but you still need a couple of engineers in case robots go out of normal functioning order.
That statement is making the assumption, as with many alarmist articles, that it is given that the robot (or AI) will actually be able to replace the person. Consider the standard call center where the call center employees are mandated to follow a script. Of course that process can be replaced by an AI. But look at the following article. Do you think an AI is going to be doing that? Zappos' 10-Hour Long Customer Service Call Sets Record | HuffPost Impact[^]
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jshell - shall we sign up for a plumbing class :)
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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Until theft of original works to train the not-really-AI projects is stopped, I will continue to be bothered by AI offerings. At a bare minimum, folks need to be informed of the theft involved. But folks buy stolen things and things produced with stolen tech and art all the time, so I think we need some sort of legal action, criminal and civil until the theft is the shadow industry it should be and known as a criminal endeavor.
Cpichols wrote:
Until theft of original works to train the not-really-AI projects is stopped
Not sure where you work but where I work developers often use google to search for solutions. I have never worked with a single developer that understood copyright laws much less spent time researching the actual application of that to some code that they ended up copying. Multiple companies. I worked at one place where it was found that an employee was using significant amounts of code from his previous employer. He just copied it and brought along. It all had to be ripped out. I have seen employers suggest that interviews that prospective employees should demonstrate previous code (the actual code) that they worked on during the interview process.
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Cpichols wrote:
Until theft of original works to train the not-really-AI projects is stopped
Not sure where you work but where I work developers often use google to search for solutions. I have never worked with a single developer that understood copyright laws much less spent time researching the actual application of that to some code that they ended up copying. Multiple companies. I worked at one place where it was found that an employee was using significant amounts of code from his previous employer. He just copied it and brought along. It all had to be ripped out. I have seen employers suggest that interviews that prospective employees should demonstrate previous code (the actual code) that they worked on during the interview process.
Wow. That needs to stop. I have copied snippets offered in tutorials or blog posts, but those are usually tiny (~20 lines or less) and always used as a guideline for me since they're usually not exactly what I'm after. Do you think these can be copyrighted, or are you referring to the much larger issues like the one you cited? For me, Google is mostly just a quicker way to find the reference page I want. Is actually writing code so rare?
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I want to be upgraded!
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Reboot me!
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What if we are all AI programs running in the background in some weird integration test.
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"increased project productivity, increased responsiveness to user needs and flexibility in the face of changing requirements, Shorter project times, enhanced system quality, improved project management, increased standardization, ability to replace project personnel easily, ability to leverage managerial, ..." https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/57216.57228[^] Case tools if you were wondering. And from 1988. Myself I am not too concerned about alarmist rhetoric about what AI projects might mean for programming. Nor really for other types of the work force either. Far as I can recall I first saw an automated order entry system in a fast food restaurant in the 1990's. Yet today I still see a person behind the counter for every fast food place I go to. I will note a reduction in cashiers in grocery stores (and Walmart) but that is only because the cashiers have been replaced by me and not a machine. Not to mention of course that 'AI' as it is used now is actually just an extreme version of pattern matching. A real 'AI' as it has been generally discussed for at least the past 100 years is visually represented in the movie "I, Robot" in the opening part of the movie is where a robot sees a woman's purse being stolen on a busy sidewalk, chases the thief, catches the thief and then returns the purse. Now when that happens then I might be concerned about what jobs robots might replace.
Analysis and design preceed programming. Mess up the problem definition, and all the AI in the world won't help with building the wrong solution. e.g. What is the chance of dispersion of a company of skirmishers, with average ability, in extended open order, firing on the march, who have been doing double time for the last 2.5 minutes, who are receiving as much fire as they're dispensing, who were defeatd in their last encounter, and have currently lost 20% of their numbers, etc.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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"increased project productivity, increased responsiveness to user needs and flexibility in the face of changing requirements, Shorter project times, enhanced system quality, improved project management, increased standardization, ability to replace project personnel easily, ability to leverage managerial, ..." https://dl.acm.org/doi/pdf/10.1145/57216.57228[^] Case tools if you were wondering. And from 1988. Myself I am not too concerned about alarmist rhetoric about what AI projects might mean for programming. Nor really for other types of the work force either. Far as I can recall I first saw an automated order entry system in a fast food restaurant in the 1990's. Yet today I still see a person behind the counter for every fast food place I go to. I will note a reduction in cashiers in grocery stores (and Walmart) but that is only because the cashiers have been replaced by me and not a machine. Not to mention of course that 'AI' as it is used now is actually just an extreme version of pattern matching. A real 'AI' as it has been generally discussed for at least the past 100 years is visually represented in the movie "I, Robot" in the opening part of the movie is where a robot sees a woman's purse being stolen on a busy sidewalk, chases the thief, catches the thief and then returns the purse. Now when that happens then I might be concerned about what jobs robots might replace.
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Far as I can recall I first saw an automated order entry system in a fast food restaurant in the 1990's. Yet today I still see a person behind the counter for every fast food place I go to.
I wish that were the case for me. My experience with (some) McDondald's is that there is never anyone behind the counter. The kiosks developed for self-serve customer ordering during covid are what you have to use, unless you go up to the counter and stare at the folks packaging food and working the drive through, waiting for them to notice and come take your order at some point, which isn't worth the hassle. So generally the kiosk is fine to use, however I like to get a tote (13) of cookies always, and guess what, after you select that "item", you have to select the flavor of each of the 13 cookies from a list of. . . .yes, 1 element (chocolate chip - that's all they have). So, 13 times you have to do this. Some programmer/requirement developed/stated that this was needed for future needs I'm sure, but. . .wow, it is really annoying, especially since if you tap repeatedly on the cookie flavor (which you do because the refresh rate is so annoyingly slow) it must fill a buffer and the kiosk app locks up and you have to start over at another one! :mad: So, yes, I am definitely "hangry" at that point. So, when we (by 2 sons are along usually) get to that point one of them says "dad, let me do this". :)
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Wow. That needs to stop. I have copied snippets offered in tutorials or blog posts, but those are usually tiny (~20 lines or less) and always used as a guideline for me since they're usually not exactly what I'm after. Do you think these can be copyrighted, or are you referring to the much larger issues like the one you cited? For me, Google is mostly just a quicker way to find the reference page I want. Is actually writing code so rare?
Cpichols wrote:
tutorials or blog posts, but those are usually tiny (~20 lines or less) and always used as a guideline for me since they're usually not exactly what I'm after. Do you think these can be copyrighted, or are you referring to the much larger issues like the one you cited?
You need to check the blog/tutorial. At least some forums that are on the internet state in the terms of use that posting to the forum means you (the poster) are giving up rights. But as a user of that posted code you need to check first.
Cpichols wrote:
find the reference page I want.
Not sure what you mean by "reference page". But for example even though I have the original Java API in a book I haven't actually cracked that in years. Rather I would search for a Java API via google. Same for the Microsoft libraries. However that is the core stuff of both. When I start using additional libraries then I must track down the license for each. What I then do for legal reasons is create at text file (or perhaps several) where I document the following - The library name - Source of the libary - Version - The name of the license (like 'Berkely') - A summary that states it is free for commercial use - A link the license that I found. - And often a copy of that license document. (Why? Because links can change or disappear.) All of the above will meet due diligence changes for internal or external audits.
