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  • P Paul Watson

    I happened across an article on a volunteer site telling of a mans involvement in teaching under-priviliged kids to fish. My first reaction was "who the hell does not know how to fish?". After reading a bit, this paragraph really shocked me: ..."I started teaching kids living in housing projects how to fish. I'd take them on fishing trips, and I noticed that some kids were in awe of the outdoors, but others were afraid of it, or had no understanding of nature."... The article itself is fine but what really startled me was to realise that some people literally have not been to the great outdoors. They have not stood on a grass plain without a skyscraper or building in site. Some for goodness sakes have not even seen the ocean, never mind swum in it. I live in a coastal city on the tip of Africa and having done a lot of trips (camping, hiking, safari's etc.) throughout Africa it is actually a bit hard for me to imagine a life without the savanah, without vast open skies and the depths of jungles. I have had the pleasure of being sh*t scared in a small car with two Rhinos flanking either side as their young one crossed the road in front of us. I have had a lion cub clamber over my chest and a Giraffe watch me from a few meters away as I have an all african shower on the shores of Lake Kariba. As I said, it is hard for me to imagine life without nature. Seeing as we are all pretty indoor kind of people (job wise) I was wondering what the experiences of CP users are with the outdoors? Naturally Aussies and Kiwis probably have good experiences, but what about New Yorkers or the Brits? * think of this as an all african way to round off a good week on a fun friday :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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    James Pullicino
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    Since I live on an small island, there are no jungles, forests, mountains or any kind of wilderness - except the sea. So I limit myslef to scuba diving, which is a totally out-of-this-world experience. Its a worse addiction than drugs or C++! (2b || !2b)

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    • A Anders Molin

      Hmmm, I have never lived in a big city, and have only been in a skyscraper when visiting people, so I do understand what you were feeling when you first read the article... I live in Denmark, we have a lot of nature, but not really any dangerous animals :) But, we do have a *lot* of water, so I did a lot of fishing when I was a kid. Ohhh, those were the days, just relaxing without worrying about paying bills... - Anders Money talks, but all mine ever says is "Goodbye!"

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      :-D Oh man that is the best. We had a house boat and a power boat on Lake Kariba (border of Zimbabwe and Botswana) and every now and then I drift off into a revier of days spent, fishing rod in one hand, beer in the other (good Zambezi lager), feet up on the gunwales, floppy hat on head and the gentle swell of the lake underneath. *laughs* often we did'nt even worry about catching anything, just relaxing and soaking in the good African sun. Sometimes we would stay in chalets on the banks of Kariba. After a *hard* days fishing we would all lounge in deck chairs, watching the sun set over Botswana, thunder clouds building up to the left and a Kudu (a kind of buck) roasting over an open fire to the right. Elephants, rhino and all sorts of buck would come down to the edge of the lake to drink in the cooling evening as hippo's and crocodiles gently idled by. Oh man, I wonder how many vacation days I have left to take ;) Oh and I hear there are dangerous animals in Denmark, they are called Frenchmen... :-D regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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        I'm from Barcelona and have been this holidays in Africa (Kenia & Tanzania), did a lot of safaris in Serengeti and it's the first time I've done something like this. I must admit I was a bit scared (one day an elephant got angry with us and almost made us crash with the car!) and since I'm used to live surrounded by buildings I found it really incredible. I'd never been in a place like that, where you turn around and you can't see anything done by humans, just savanah. Really nice place, must admit it. ORi.

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        Paul Watson
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        Yup... when you are in the middle of a savanah with thunder clouds building on the horizon you beging to wonder just who the masters of this world really are... regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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        • P Paul Watson

          I happened across an article on a volunteer site telling of a mans involvement in teaching under-priviliged kids to fish. My first reaction was "who the hell does not know how to fish?". After reading a bit, this paragraph really shocked me: ..."I started teaching kids living in housing projects how to fish. I'd take them on fishing trips, and I noticed that some kids were in awe of the outdoors, but others were afraid of it, or had no understanding of nature."... The article itself is fine but what really startled me was to realise that some people literally have not been to the great outdoors. They have not stood on a grass plain without a skyscraper or building in site. Some for goodness sakes have not even seen the ocean, never mind swum in it. I live in a coastal city on the tip of Africa and having done a lot of trips (camping, hiking, safari's etc.) throughout Africa it is actually a bit hard for me to imagine a life without the savanah, without vast open skies and the depths of jungles. I have had the pleasure of being sh*t scared in a small car with two Rhinos flanking either side as their young one crossed the road in front of us. I have had a lion cub clamber over my chest and a Giraffe watch me from a few meters away as I have an all african shower on the shores of Lake Kariba. As I said, it is hard for me to imagine life without nature. Seeing as we are all pretty indoor kind of people (job wise) I was wondering what the experiences of CP users are with the outdoors? Naturally Aussies and Kiwis probably have good experiences, but what about New Yorkers or the Brits? * think of this as an all african way to round off a good week on a fun friday :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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          Henry Jacobs
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          This is happening everywhere. Parents are afraid to take their children outside. Early this summer, I actually heard a news report that recommended parents not allow there children to go outside during the day (due to ozone depletion). Also, parents are often too busy to spend time with their children. Children have a computer, television, and video games to distract them. Sad.

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          • J James Pullicino

            Since I live on an small island, there are no jungles, forests, mountains or any kind of wilderness - except the sea. So I limit myslef to scuba diving, which is a totally out-of-this-world experience. Its a worse addiction than drugs or C++! (2b || !2b)

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            I had a good school friend from Malta, name of Leo Schotte. Always told me wild stories about the people of Malta, pretty sure half of them were just stories. ;) Well I love the ocean, having lived most of my life in costal cities (Durban and Cape Town) I take every opportunity I can to go swimming or to just watch the waves break. Still got to try scuba diving though. There are quite a few submerged wrecks off our coast so wreck diving is quite popular. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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            • P Paul Watson

              Yup... when you are in the middle of a savanah with thunder clouds building on the horizon you beging to wonder just who the masters of this world really are... regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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              wonder just who the masters of this world really are... Thunderstorm .NET and Savannah XP. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)

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                wonder just who the masters of this world really are... Thunderstorm .NET and Savannah XP. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)

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                I hear hailstorms are quite devestating on smaller plants and animals in Africa... might break a few windows to :-D But dont joke though, Microsoft have all those new small-to-medium enterprise packages called Great Plains... guess they all run on Savannah XP huh? lol. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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                • P Paul Watson

                  I happened across an article on a volunteer site telling of a mans involvement in teaching under-priviliged kids to fish. My first reaction was "who the hell does not know how to fish?". After reading a bit, this paragraph really shocked me: ..."I started teaching kids living in housing projects how to fish. I'd take them on fishing trips, and I noticed that some kids were in awe of the outdoors, but others were afraid of it, or had no understanding of nature."... The article itself is fine but what really startled me was to realise that some people literally have not been to the great outdoors. They have not stood on a grass plain without a skyscraper or building in site. Some for goodness sakes have not even seen the ocean, never mind swum in it. I live in a coastal city on the tip of Africa and having done a lot of trips (camping, hiking, safari's etc.) throughout Africa it is actually a bit hard for me to imagine a life without the savanah, without vast open skies and the depths of jungles. I have had the pleasure of being sh*t scared in a small car with two Rhinos flanking either side as their young one crossed the road in front of us. I have had a lion cub clamber over my chest and a Giraffe watch me from a few meters away as I have an all african shower on the shores of Lake Kariba. As I said, it is hard for me to imagine life without nature. Seeing as we are all pretty indoor kind of people (job wise) I was wondering what the experiences of CP users are with the outdoors? Naturally Aussies and Kiwis probably have good experiences, but what about New Yorkers or the Brits? * think of this as an all african way to round off a good week on a fun friday :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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                  I got to grow up in a small town in the middle of USA's midwestern farm country. Corn and soybeans surrounded the town and summer work generally consisted of squirting weeds with herbicide and picking rocks from fields then hurling them into little tractor wagons. One of my favorite memories of the place was the wind. Yeah -- we had much better wind in that town than most city people have experienced. It was only dangerous during storms, but when it was gusting during the fall (with my light jacket open) I could lean into the wind several degrees past the point where I would normally fall. And during one winter storm, our sidewalks became glazed over with ice while we were out sledding. So, I held my long plastic sled in the air and went "wind-surfing" :). Men make lots of really cool stuff, but nothing we've come up with yet can compare with the complexity or beauty of the world and universe that God made. John

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                  • P Paul Watson

                    I had a good school friend from Malta, name of Leo Schotte. Always told me wild stories about the people of Malta, pretty sure half of them were just stories. ;) Well I love the ocean, having lived most of my life in costal cities (Durban and Cape Town) I take every opportunity I can to go swimming or to just watch the waves break. Still got to try scuba diving though. There are quite a few submerged wrecks off our coast so wreck diving is quite popular. regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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                    I am pretty sure that most of the stories are true ;) Crazy things happen down here... its worse than Australia when it comes to wierd people ;) The strange thing is that I am dying to live in a busy city with tall buildings and many strangers. We've got none of that in Malta :(( (2b || !2b)

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                      I got to grow up in a small town in the middle of USA's midwestern farm country. Corn and soybeans surrounded the town and summer work generally consisted of squirting weeds with herbicide and picking rocks from fields then hurling them into little tractor wagons. One of my favorite memories of the place was the wind. Yeah -- we had much better wind in that town than most city people have experienced. It was only dangerous during storms, but when it was gusting during the fall (with my light jacket open) I could lean into the wind several degrees past the point where I would normally fall. And during one winter storm, our sidewalks became glazed over with ice while we were out sledding. So, I held my long plastic sled in the air and went "wind-surfing" :). Men make lots of really cool stuff, but nothing we've come up with yet can compare with the complexity or beauty of the world and universe that God made. John

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                      God? Who's he? :confused: (2b || !2b)

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                      • P Paul Watson

                        I happened across an article on a volunteer site telling of a mans involvement in teaching under-priviliged kids to fish. My first reaction was "who the hell does not know how to fish?". After reading a bit, this paragraph really shocked me: ..."I started teaching kids living in housing projects how to fish. I'd take them on fishing trips, and I noticed that some kids were in awe of the outdoors, but others were afraid of it, or had no understanding of nature."... The article itself is fine but what really startled me was to realise that some people literally have not been to the great outdoors. They have not stood on a grass plain without a skyscraper or building in site. Some for goodness sakes have not even seen the ocean, never mind swum in it. I live in a coastal city on the tip of Africa and having done a lot of trips (camping, hiking, safari's etc.) throughout Africa it is actually a bit hard for me to imagine a life without the savanah, without vast open skies and the depths of jungles. I have had the pleasure of being sh*t scared in a small car with two Rhinos flanking either side as their young one crossed the road in front of us. I have had a lion cub clamber over my chest and a Giraffe watch me from a few meters away as I have an all african shower on the shores of Lake Kariba. As I said, it is hard for me to imagine life without nature. Seeing as we are all pretty indoor kind of people (job wise) I was wondering what the experiences of CP users are with the outdoors? Naturally Aussies and Kiwis probably have good experiences, but what about New Yorkers or the Brits? * think of this as an all african way to round off a good week on a fun friday :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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                        That's it Paul - I'm gonna come and stay at your place this summer! I've skirted angry wild pigs, run bravely away from cows (yes cows. They were angry), had my lunch stolen by an emu, and been outstared by a pack of kangaroos. I've had a golf swing interupted by one of the most poisonous snakes in the world, kept a pet spider on my shoulder that was bigger than my hand, and swum above sharks and manta rays in the Great Barrier Reef. I've been in the middle of endless sand dunes, trudged through feet of snow along mountain ridges in blizzards, and skinny dipped on perfect beaches at Midnight New Years Eve (watch those Portuguese Man-O-War!). I've also sweated half my body weight away in tropical rainforests and lay baking in the summer sun between pitches while climbing 100m granite rockfaces. I've ridden a bicycle at 80kmh down a steep twisting mountain with questionable brakes, swum in rivers while river snakes sun themselves on rocks, and bravely crossed crocodile infested rivers protected only by a sturdy pair of boots and 2 ton of Nissan Patrol. I've also - get this - cleaned out my garage and garden shed without gloves on (you'd have to be Australian to understand that last one I guess ;)) cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)

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                        • P Paul Watson

                          I happened across an article on a volunteer site telling of a mans involvement in teaching under-priviliged kids to fish. My first reaction was "who the hell does not know how to fish?". After reading a bit, this paragraph really shocked me: ..."I started teaching kids living in housing projects how to fish. I'd take them on fishing trips, and I noticed that some kids were in awe of the outdoors, but others were afraid of it, or had no understanding of nature."... The article itself is fine but what really startled me was to realise that some people literally have not been to the great outdoors. They have not stood on a grass plain without a skyscraper or building in site. Some for goodness sakes have not even seen the ocean, never mind swum in it. I live in a coastal city on the tip of Africa and having done a lot of trips (camping, hiking, safari's etc.) throughout Africa it is actually a bit hard for me to imagine a life without the savanah, without vast open skies and the depths of jungles. I have had the pleasure of being sh*t scared in a small car with two Rhinos flanking either side as their young one crossed the road in front of us. I have had a lion cub clamber over my chest and a Giraffe watch me from a few meters away as I have an all african shower on the shores of Lake Kariba. As I said, it is hard for me to imagine life without nature. Seeing as we are all pretty indoor kind of people (job wise) I was wondering what the experiences of CP users are with the outdoors? Naturally Aussies and Kiwis probably have good experiences, but what about New Yorkers or the Brits? * think of this as an all african way to round off a good week on a fun friday :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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                          realJSOP
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                          You're used to it because there's a lot of it, and it's easily accessible. For a lot of folks in the world, you don't want to stand upright in an open field because you make a better target. In the US, we have a fairly large amount of open space free of buildings and the din of civilization, but you sometimes have to drive quite far to get to such an area. I prefer the mountains to the city, but there's no high-speed connectivity in the remote locations. :)

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                          • P Paul Watson

                            I happened across an article on a volunteer site telling of a mans involvement in teaching under-priviliged kids to fish. My first reaction was "who the hell does not know how to fish?". After reading a bit, this paragraph really shocked me: ..."I started teaching kids living in housing projects how to fish. I'd take them on fishing trips, and I noticed that some kids were in awe of the outdoors, but others were afraid of it, or had no understanding of nature."... The article itself is fine but what really startled me was to realise that some people literally have not been to the great outdoors. They have not stood on a grass plain without a skyscraper or building in site. Some for goodness sakes have not even seen the ocean, never mind swum in it. I live in a coastal city on the tip of Africa and having done a lot of trips (camping, hiking, safari's etc.) throughout Africa it is actually a bit hard for me to imagine a life without the savanah, without vast open skies and the depths of jungles. I have had the pleasure of being sh*t scared in a small car with two Rhinos flanking either side as their young one crossed the road in front of us. I have had a lion cub clamber over my chest and a Giraffe watch me from a few meters away as I have an all african shower on the shores of Lake Kariba. As I said, it is hard for me to imagine life without nature. Seeing as we are all pretty indoor kind of people (job wise) I was wondering what the experiences of CP users are with the outdoors? Naturally Aussies and Kiwis probably have good experiences, but what about New Yorkers or the Brits? * think of this as an all african way to round off a good week on a fun friday :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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                            Stravaiger
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                            I must admit I need the outdoors just to get by. Sitting on my bahookie for 8 hours a day is not good for you so I've been to the Alps, Pyrenees and Atlas climbing. Camped in a lightning storm at 3500 feet (that was scary) and had all sorts of frights on veritcal walls! My equivalent of Savannah is sea kayaking. You feel pretty damn small on a big swell when the horizon disappears. Have a look : www.stravaiger.com Le gach deagh dhurachd

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                            • P Paul Watson

                              I happened across an article on a volunteer site telling of a mans involvement in teaching under-priviliged kids to fish. My first reaction was "who the hell does not know how to fish?". After reading a bit, this paragraph really shocked me: ..."I started teaching kids living in housing projects how to fish. I'd take them on fishing trips, and I noticed that some kids were in awe of the outdoors, but others were afraid of it, or had no understanding of nature."... The article itself is fine but what really startled me was to realise that some people literally have not been to the great outdoors. They have not stood on a grass plain without a skyscraper or building in site. Some for goodness sakes have not even seen the ocean, never mind swum in it. I live in a coastal city on the tip of Africa and having done a lot of trips (camping, hiking, safari's etc.) throughout Africa it is actually a bit hard for me to imagine a life without the savanah, without vast open skies and the depths of jungles. I have had the pleasure of being sh*t scared in a small car with two Rhinos flanking either side as their young one crossed the road in front of us. I have had a lion cub clamber over my chest and a Giraffe watch me from a few meters away as I have an all african shower on the shores of Lake Kariba. As I said, it is hard for me to imagine life without nature. Seeing as we are all pretty indoor kind of people (job wise) I was wondering what the experiences of CP users are with the outdoors? Naturally Aussies and Kiwis probably have good experiences, but what about New Yorkers or the Brits? * think of this as an all african way to round off a good week on a fun friday :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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                              I love the outdoors! Here in northern New England I get plenty of it. I live way out in the sticks with no neighbors for at least a half mile(@1km). I've got many lakes a short distance from my house and the Atlantic coast is only a half hour away. My friends call my place 'Camp Knox'. Its a great place to party since I can raise all the hell I want out here. And there's no cops in my town! As for wildlife, I regularly see deer and porcupines on the fringes of my property and wake up every morning to the sounds of chipmunks and squirrels doing battle in the trees. While camping in the White Mountains(New Hampshire) earlier this summer we were sharing the land with a 300-400 pound black bear and her cubs. She kept her distance as long as we kept the campfire blazing and made lots of noise. Fortunately I work from home, so I get to see this stuff everyday. Cities are nice to visit but I could never be happy living in one. Don't get me wrong, just because I live in the woods I'm not some sort of seperatist, although I do have a dog and a shotgun and a garden of a peculiar herb. So, if anyone's coming to the New England area(Boston's only an hour away) and wants to relax in the great outdoors lemme know. Visitors are welcome. Josh josh@that-guy.net

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                              • P Paul Watson

                                I happened across an article on a volunteer site telling of a mans involvement in teaching under-priviliged kids to fish. My first reaction was "who the hell does not know how to fish?". After reading a bit, this paragraph really shocked me: ..."I started teaching kids living in housing projects how to fish. I'd take them on fishing trips, and I noticed that some kids were in awe of the outdoors, but others were afraid of it, or had no understanding of nature."... The article itself is fine but what really startled me was to realise that some people literally have not been to the great outdoors. They have not stood on a grass plain without a skyscraper or building in site. Some for goodness sakes have not even seen the ocean, never mind swum in it. I live in a coastal city on the tip of Africa and having done a lot of trips (camping, hiking, safari's etc.) throughout Africa it is actually a bit hard for me to imagine a life without the savanah, without vast open skies and the depths of jungles. I have had the pleasure of being sh*t scared in a small car with two Rhinos flanking either side as their young one crossed the road in front of us. I have had a lion cub clamber over my chest and a Giraffe watch me from a few meters away as I have an all african shower on the shores of Lake Kariba. As I said, it is hard for me to imagine life without nature. Seeing as we are all pretty indoor kind of people (job wise) I was wondering what the experiences of CP users are with the outdoors? Naturally Aussies and Kiwis probably have good experiences, but what about New Yorkers or the Brits? * think of this as an all african way to round off a good week on a fun friday :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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                                Stuart van Weele
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                                New Yorkers head to the beach or the moutains of upstate New York. To really get away from it all requires either blue water sailing or a 300 mile drive. Other than deer, small animals, and birds, there really isn't any wildlife around. And of course exect a six hour traffic jam getting out of New York. There are plenty of people around here who have never been in the country, never seen a cow, goat or chicken, never fished or hunted, never gardened, and have no desires other than going to the mall and running up a credit card debt. They live in condo's and townhouses where all of the yard maintainance is done for them, own huge SUVs that are never driven off the pavement, and go to the gym to hang out and talk with their friends while wearing trendy sports outfits. Their idea of wilderness is Disneylands Jungle Adventure. P.S. - To be fair there are still plenty of farms around, lots of hiking trails, and great fishing. My house is on a 1.25 acre lot with a large garden. Close by there is a chicken farm, several tree nurserys, and a national wildlife refuge.

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                                  I love the outdoors! Here in northern New England I get plenty of it. I live way out in the sticks with no neighbors for at least a half mile(@1km). I've got many lakes a short distance from my house and the Atlantic coast is only a half hour away. My friends call my place 'Camp Knox'. Its a great place to party since I can raise all the hell I want out here. And there's no cops in my town! As for wildlife, I regularly see deer and porcupines on the fringes of my property and wake up every morning to the sounds of chipmunks and squirrels doing battle in the trees. While camping in the White Mountains(New Hampshire) earlier this summer we were sharing the land with a 300-400 pound black bear and her cubs. She kept her distance as long as we kept the campfire blazing and made lots of noise. Fortunately I work from home, so I get to see this stuff everyday. Cities are nice to visit but I could never be happy living in one. Don't get me wrong, just because I live in the woods I'm not some sort of seperatist, although I do have a dog and a shotgun and a garden of a peculiar herb. So, if anyone's coming to the New England area(Boston's only an hour away) and wants to relax in the great outdoors lemme know. Visitors are welcome. Josh josh@that-guy.net

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                                  a garden of a peculiar herb. Can I visit? (2b || !2b)

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                                    I happened across an article on a volunteer site telling of a mans involvement in teaching under-priviliged kids to fish. My first reaction was "who the hell does not know how to fish?". After reading a bit, this paragraph really shocked me: ..."I started teaching kids living in housing projects how to fish. I'd take them on fishing trips, and I noticed that some kids were in awe of the outdoors, but others were afraid of it, or had no understanding of nature."... The article itself is fine but what really startled me was to realise that some people literally have not been to the great outdoors. They have not stood on a grass plain without a skyscraper or building in site. Some for goodness sakes have not even seen the ocean, never mind swum in it. I live in a coastal city on the tip of Africa and having done a lot of trips (camping, hiking, safari's etc.) throughout Africa it is actually a bit hard for me to imagine a life without the savanah, without vast open skies and the depths of jungles. I have had the pleasure of being sh*t scared in a small car with two Rhinos flanking either side as their young one crossed the road in front of us. I have had a lion cub clamber over my chest and a Giraffe watch me from a few meters away as I have an all african shower on the shores of Lake Kariba. As I said, it is hard for me to imagine life without nature. Seeing as we are all pretty indoor kind of people (job wise) I was wondering what the experiences of CP users are with the outdoors? Naturally Aussies and Kiwis probably have good experiences, but what about New Yorkers or the Brits? * think of this as an all african way to round off a good week on a fun friday :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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                                    I am very much a country/outdoor person but I cannot say the same for my fellow Belgian citizens. In our very densely populated and industrialised country the outdoors is something observed from a long way off. Effect: when I was in the army (drafted, no choice) I saw a lot of big man, big mouth city characters become somewhat worried (read: scared) when we had to some stuff in an unlit, unpaved forest (no Mc Donalds anywhere to be seen). Equally, they did not now how to maintain a camp fire during the night. At 5 am It took myself and a farmer's son about two minutes to actually get it to burn right. Praise and admiration all around. All I could think was '??????' All for today, lets start the weekend and go for a beer (This is Belgium so it is raining again, I'll have it indoors.:) )

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                                      I happened across an article on a volunteer site telling of a mans involvement in teaching under-priviliged kids to fish. My first reaction was "who the hell does not know how to fish?". After reading a bit, this paragraph really shocked me: ..."I started teaching kids living in housing projects how to fish. I'd take them on fishing trips, and I noticed that some kids were in awe of the outdoors, but others were afraid of it, or had no understanding of nature."... The article itself is fine but what really startled me was to realise that some people literally have not been to the great outdoors. They have not stood on a grass plain without a skyscraper or building in site. Some for goodness sakes have not even seen the ocean, never mind swum in it. I live in a coastal city on the tip of Africa and having done a lot of trips (camping, hiking, safari's etc.) throughout Africa it is actually a bit hard for me to imagine a life without the savanah, without vast open skies and the depths of jungles. I have had the pleasure of being sh*t scared in a small car with two Rhinos flanking either side as their young one crossed the road in front of us. I have had a lion cub clamber over my chest and a Giraffe watch me from a few meters away as I have an all african shower on the shores of Lake Kariba. As I said, it is hard for me to imagine life without nature. Seeing as we are all pretty indoor kind of people (job wise) I was wondering what the experiences of CP users are with the outdoors? Naturally Aussies and Kiwis probably have good experiences, but what about New Yorkers or the Brits? * think of this as an all african way to round off a good week on a fun friday :) regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org

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                                      I am used to the big sky country of the American West. The Great Plains, the Rockies. Suddenly finding myself living in Indiana has come as something of a shock. Indiana, like most of the midwest, is very rurual, lots of corn fields and soybeans. Yet, you could stand at just about any spot in this state and hit somebody's house with a rock. You have got the entire population scattered around in country estates connected by narrow county roads designed for ox drawn carts. Traffic flies up and down these roads at freeway speeds, so god forbide you send your kids out to ride their bikes or something, better just to keep them safe in the house playing nintendo :mad: "Want to know what makes me mad? Everything!" The Ranting Swede.

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                                      • J James Pullicino

                                        a garden of a peculiar herb. Can I visit? (2b || !2b)

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                                        Harvest season's coming up... Josh josh@that-guy.net

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                                          Harvest season's coming up... Josh josh@that-guy.net

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                                          lucky fucker.... (2b || !2b)

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