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  • M MadGerbil

    Why does the column name in my code have to match the column name in the database? It just feels so.... restrictive.

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    0x01AA
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    Because it makes sense. What reason, to have the name 'X' in database and in the code it is 'Y'.... If you like that, happy confusion in the future ;)

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      Because it makes sense. What reason, to have the name 'X' in database and in the code it is 'Y'.... If you like that, happy confusion in the future ;)

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      Slacker007
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      It sort of like calling people by another name, that is not theirs. "Hey Bob, how are you today?" "I'm not Bob, I'm Charlie!" "Who's Charlie? You must mean Debra. Wait right here, I'll get her/she/they/them." :laugh:

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      • M MadGerbil

        Why does the column name in my code have to match the column name in the database? It just feels so.... restrictive.

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        PIEBALDconsult
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        You use column names in your code?

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        • M MadGerbil

          Why does the column name in my code have to match the column name in the database? It just feels so.... restrictive.

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          Mycroft Holmes
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          Having worked on a system that used some of Jeremy's mapping alternatives I recommend that you NEVER do this, attempting to track through from a field name on a form/class that is different to the column name in the database is a nightmare. You would be just adding complexity for the sake of it, adding multiples to the support cost and the supporting dev will have a wax effigy of you and be sticking needles in it!

          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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          • M MadGerbil

            Why does the column name in my code have to match the column name in the database? It just feels so.... restrictive.

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            Lost User
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            string MyName => SomeOtherName;

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            • M Mycroft Holmes

              Having worked on a system that used some of Jeremy's mapping alternatives I recommend that you NEVER do this, attempting to track through from a field name on a form/class that is different to the column name in the database is a nightmare. You would be just adding complexity for the sake of it, adding multiples to the support cost and the supporting dev will have a wax effigy of you and be sticking needles in it!

              Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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              Jeremy Falcon
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              Mycroft Holmes wrote:

              Having worked on a system that used some of Jeremy's mapping alternatives I recommend that you NEVER do this

              I'm trying to collect $20 though...

              Jeremy Falcon

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              • M Mycroft Holmes

                Having worked on a system that used some of Jeremy's mapping alternatives I recommend that you NEVER do this, attempting to track through from a field name on a form/class that is different to the column name in the database is a nightmare. You would be just adding complexity for the sake of it, adding multiples to the support cost and the supporting dev will have a wax effigy of you and be sticking needles in it!

                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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                trønderen
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                I have frequently seen that kind of arguments, and very similar ones, used to justify that end user with a vague idea about the meaning of English terms nevertheless have to accept them, because those are their real names, and using anything else would be confusing and misleading. It would be fascinating if Chinese hardware and software developer switched to a similar approach.

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                • T trønderen

                  I have frequently seen that kind of arguments, and very similar ones, used to justify that end user with a vague idea about the meaning of English terms nevertheless have to accept them, because those are their real names, and using anything else would be confusing and misleading. It would be fascinating if Chinese hardware and software developer switched to a similar approach.

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                  PIEBALDconsult
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                  More of a guideline really.

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                  • M MadGerbil

                    Why does the column name in my code have to match the column name in the database? It just feels so.... restrictive.

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                    Mircea Neacsu
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                    Don't worry, it's just a temporary thing. Next migration will change the database column names and (dis)order will be restored in universe. ;P

                    Mircea

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                    • T trønderen

                      I have frequently seen that kind of arguments, and very similar ones, used to justify that end user with a vague idea about the meaning of English terms nevertheless have to accept them, because those are their real names, and using anything else would be confusing and misleading. It would be fascinating if Chinese hardware and software developer switched to a similar approach.

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                      jmaida
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                      LOL

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                      • M Mycroft Holmes

                        Having worked on a system that used some of Jeremy's mapping alternatives I recommend that you NEVER do this, attempting to track through from a field name on a form/class that is different to the column name in the database is a nightmare. You would be just adding complexity for the sake of it, adding multiples to the support cost and the supporting dev will have a wax effigy of you and be sticking needles in it!

                        Never underestimate the power of human stupidity - RAH I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP

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                        David ONeil
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                        What's so hard about COL1, COL2, COL3? /s

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                        • S Slacker007

                          It sort of like calling people by another name, that is not theirs. "Hey Bob, how are you today?" "I'm not Bob, I'm Charlie!" "Who's Charlie? You must mean Debra. Wait right here, I'll get her/she/they/them." :laugh:

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                          charlieg
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                          Keep me out of this :)

                          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                          • M MadGerbil

                            Why does the column name in my code have to match the column name in the database? It just feels so.... restrictive.

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                            MikeCO10
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                            So, I smiled when I read this, thinking of the because it's easy and makes sense answer. But really, this is a deeper question that depends on what language you are using and what the application interaction with the user is. I'm assuming you're comparing local variable names to the DB columns; and not accessing the actual DB object. There are cases where this may not be best practice and maybe a case could be made to argue it is not best practice at all.

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                            • M MadGerbil

                              Why does the column name in my code have to match the column name in the database? It just feels so.... restrictive.

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                              Marc Clifton
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                              I assume you're not using an ORM? All the ORM's I've used (EF, Linq2SQL, Dapper, etc) have the ability to attribute the model with table and column aliases.

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                                Why does the column name in my code have to match the column name in the database? It just feels so.... restrictive.

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                                Lost User
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                                Prefix tables with "tbl" and your code be happy.

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                                  I assume you're not using an ORM? All the ORM's I've used (EF, Linq2SQL, Dapper, etc) have the ability to attribute the model with table and column aliases.

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                                  0x01AA
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                                  But why one should use different names? Is it not only make the things more confusing?

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                                    What's so hard about COL1, COL2, COL3? /s

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                                    Mycroft Holmes
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                                    As punishment for that you get sent to Q&A for a week!

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                                      As punishment for that you get sent to Q&A for a week!

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                                      David ONeil
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                                      If they ask for codez now I'll use those variable names! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I'm pretty certain I saw something like those in a BPCS system once... :sigh: I'm still trying to erase that memory.

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                                        But why one should use different names? Is it not only make the things more confusing?

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                                        David ONeil
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                                        Job insurance. ;P

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                                        • S Slacker007

                                          It sort of like calling people by another name, that is not theirs. "Hey Bob, how are you today?" "I'm not Bob, I'm Charlie!" "Who's Charlie? You must mean Debra. Wait right here, I'll get her/she/they/them." :laugh:

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                                          Sander Rossel
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                                          People do that all the time though :~ My grandma's are both named Elisabeth something something on their birth certificate/passport, but we call them Bep (quite a common name here for old people). I recently found out Dick is a nickname for Richard, Bill for William and Bob for Robert. A lot of people have birth names that are different from the names we actually call them (sometimes the names are at least related, but often they're not). And when a woman marries a man she suddenly gets a new last name (and is proud of it too). Luckily, all of these are getting more rare X| My complete name is simply Sander Rossel and that's what people call me too :D

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