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  • L Lost User

    If there was an obscure question that had one (wrong) answer, and people (somehow) started asking that same question, would AI respond with the wrong answer until it became "the" answer?

    "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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    jschell
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    Gerry Schmitz wrote:

    If there was an obscure question that had one (wrong) answer,...

    Addressing that seriously...no. If it is that obscure then "right" is no longer meaningful because no one would ask it. And no one would care if it was wrong anyways.

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      If there was an obscure question that had one (wrong) answer, and people (somehow) started asking that same question, would AI respond with the wrong answer until it became "the" answer?

      "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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      peterkmx
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      Yes I think so, there is this metaphor of a stochastic parrot [https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922\](https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3442188.3445922) And there is also a discussion about this metaphor on Twitter ... :sigh:

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      • J Jeremy Falcon

        I tried asking ChatGPT this, but it's at capacity right now.

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        Marc Clifton
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        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

        I tried asking ChatGPT this, but it's at capacity right now.

        It said this:

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        No, AI would not respond with the wrong answer until it became "the" answer. AI systems are designed to provide accurate and reliable answers, and they would not be programmed to provide wrong answers. AI systems are programmed to use algorithms to analyze data and provide the most accurate answer possible.

        Heh, and I believe it? Nope!

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        • L Lost User

          If there was an obscure question that had one (wrong) answer, and people (somehow) started asking that same question, would AI respond with the wrong answer until it became "the" answer?

          "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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          Marc Clifton
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          Yes. False answers are much harder to correct than to take a true answer and corrupt it to a false one that everyone believes.

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            Jeremy Falcon wrote:

            I tried asking ChatGPT this, but it's at capacity right now.

            It said this:

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            No, AI would not respond with the wrong answer until it became "the" answer. AI systems are designed to provide accurate and reliable answers, and they would not be programmed to provide wrong answers. AI systems are programmed to use algorithms to analyze data and provide the most accurate answer possible.

            Heh, and I believe it? Nope!

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            Jeremy Falcon
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            It’s good at sales at least. But we know how that goes. =D

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            • L Lost User

              If there was an obscure question that had one (wrong) answer, and people (somehow) started asking that same question, would AI respond with the wrong answer until it became "the" answer?

              "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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              Kate X257
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              There are no answers anywhere online. There are only likely and unlikely hypothesis. So, basically, it doesn't matter. A wrong answer is still an hypothesis worth testing.

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              • L Lost User

                If there was an obscure question that had one (wrong) answer, and people (somehow) started asking that same question, would AI respond with the wrong answer until it became "the" answer?

                "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                Is that why ChatGPT keeps claiming 6 × 9 == 42? :-D


                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                • L Lost User

                  The next war, is fought by developers and hardware experts. And all it need to do is blow up one factory, and we loose 10 years of development. ONE factory, to throw us back 10 years. ASML. Right now they run Barter town, but then, we already know how that one ends :)

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                  Master Blaster run Bartertown. Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (1985) - Master Blaster Scene (3/9) | Movieclips - YouTube[^]

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                    Master Blaster run Bartertown. Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome (1985) - Master Blaster Scene (3/9) | Movieclips - YouTube[^]

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                    • L Lost User

                      If there was an obscure question that had one (wrong) answer, and people (somehow) started asking that same question, would AI respond with the wrong answer until it became "the" answer?

                      "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                      This is the answer ChatGPT gave to me: "As a machine learning model, AI is not capable of intentionally providing incorrect answers. AI is designed to make predictions based on patterns it has learned from the data it was trained on, and it will provide the answer that it believes to be the most accurate based on that information. If the model has been trained on inaccurate data or has not been trained sufficiently, it may produce incorrect answers. However, this would not be intentional, but rather a result of limitations in the training data and the algorithm. It's important to ensure that the training data used to build an AI model is of high quality and diverse, in order to minimize the risk of producing incorrect or biased outputs. Additionally, regular testing and evaluation of AI models can help to identify any inaccuracies or biases in their predictions, allowing them to be corrected over time."

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                        This is the answer ChatGPT gave to me: "As a machine learning model, AI is not capable of intentionally providing incorrect answers. AI is designed to make predictions based on patterns it has learned from the data it was trained on, and it will provide the answer that it believes to be the most accurate based on that information. If the model has been trained on inaccurate data or has not been trained sufficiently, it may produce incorrect answers. However, this would not be intentional, but rather a result of limitations in the training data and the algorithm. It's important to ensure that the training data used to build an AI model is of high quality and diverse, in order to minimize the risk of producing incorrect or biased outputs. Additionally, regular testing and evaluation of AI models can help to identify any inaccuracies or biases in their predictions, allowing them to be corrected over time."

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                        peterkmx
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                        ... is not capable of intentionally providing incorrect answers

                        To me it sounds more like "... is capable of not intentionally providing incorrect answers ..." :-)

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                        • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                          Is that why ChatGPT keeps claiming 6 × 9 == 42? :-D


                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                          Matt Bond
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                          I believe that's from So Long and Thanks for all the Fish by Douglas Adams. And the math is correct in base 13, or so I've been told.

                          Bond Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere

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                          • L Lost User

                            Yes. But so do humans, and not just for obscure stuff. 40 countries help Turkey; 3 countries help Syria. What do you think "religion" is? Ghosts, Angels? Ask ChatGPT for me which religion is "correct" and post me the answer :D If you want a real riot, ask it who blew up the gaslines to Germany.

                            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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                            Bruce Patin
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                            "There is no definitive answer to this question."

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                            • J jschell

                              Gerry Schmitz wrote:

                              If there was an obscure question that had one (wrong) answer,...

                              Addressing that seriously...no. If it is that obscure then "right" is no longer meaningful because no one would ask it. And no one would care if it was wrong anyways.

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                              What was obscure becomes clear. Your flat earth would have stayed flat.

                              "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                              • M Marc Clifton

                                Yes. False answers are much harder to correct than to take a true answer and corrupt it to a false one that everyone believes.

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                                Lost User
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                                Exactly. Momentum. Try and insert the "right" answer into that. Right is more a function of majority opinion.

                                "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                                • K Kate X257

                                  There are no answers anywhere online. There are only likely and unlikely hypothesis. So, basically, it doesn't matter. A wrong answer is still an hypothesis worth testing.

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                                  Lost User
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                                  Not if it involves drain cleaner.

                                  "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                                    This is the answer ChatGPT gave to me: "As a machine learning model, AI is not capable of intentionally providing incorrect answers. AI is designed to make predictions based on patterns it has learned from the data it was trained on, and it will provide the answer that it believes to be the most accurate based on that information. If the model has been trained on inaccurate data or has not been trained sufficiently, it may produce incorrect answers. However, this would not be intentional, but rather a result of limitations in the training data and the algorithm. It's important to ensure that the training data used to build an AI model is of high quality and diverse, in order to minimize the risk of producing incorrect or biased outputs. Additionally, regular testing and evaluation of AI models can help to identify any inaccuracies or biases in their predictions, allowing them to be corrected over time."

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                                    Lost User
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                                    It's a worthy answer ... but too long for most. I also think, not everyone gets the same answer: testing the questioner is part of the "learning" process.

                                    "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      It's a worthy answer ... but too long for most. I also think, not everyone gets the same answer: testing the questioner is part of the "learning" process.

                                      "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                                      cegarman
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                                      Hi, The "right" answer is the one that fits your view of reality. It provides the information you seek in a format or view that aligns with your perception of the question.

                                      Cegarman document code? If it's not intuitive, you're in the wrong field :D

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        What was obscure becomes clear. Your flat earth would have stayed flat.

                                        "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                                        jschell
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                                        I took obscure to mean of little interest. So for example 'what is that fungus on Will's toe'. Now if 'Will' is the King of England then many more people are going to be interested than if Will is just the guy that lives down the block from me. If many people are interested then there will be many answers for the AI to look at. If very few are interested then far fewer answers. But as well a wrong answer in that case means it has no impact.

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                                          Not if it involves drain cleaner.

                                          "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                                          Kate X257
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                                          Tested on others. A small but vital distinction. ;P

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