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  • R RickZeeland

    Standing and typing a lot is not a good combination indeed, but I try to avoid sitting too long as it's not a healthy thing. Mostly when I have finished something I crank the desk up and do some "monitoring" just some mouse clicking here and there, checking email, builder progress, Microsoft Teams etc.

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    Glenn E Lanier II
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    I have a motorized standing desk - smooth to raise/lower. I stand for all calls. I'm much more focused and don't rock in my chair when on video. I tested several before purchasing one - don't let price drive the decision. This is one area where you get what you pay for - sturdy is better. My screen sits on the desk and I type "aggressively" (or so I'm told). My screen doesn't shake. This was the second-best upgrade to my home office (after working remotely for 10+ years) after a 43" 4K TV to use as a monitor. Much cheaper than a large monitor, better than 4 24" screens, and since I'm not using it for video games, no worries about the lower specs. A full-screen file compare between current and history in Visual Studio with solution explorer open is still very doable - very little (if any) horizontal scrolling. Showering/getting dressed/shaving is important, especially early on, to keep your mind in the game. Having a reasonable schedule so you're starting about the same time every day is good as well. Use Teams/Slack-type chat to stay in touch with your team - we have channels for various projects, general team discussions (is VPN down for you?), and individual chats to still be part of the team.

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    • G Glenn E Lanier II

      I have a motorized standing desk - smooth to raise/lower. I stand for all calls. I'm much more focused and don't rock in my chair when on video. I tested several before purchasing one - don't let price drive the decision. This is one area where you get what you pay for - sturdy is better. My screen sits on the desk and I type "aggressively" (or so I'm told). My screen doesn't shake. This was the second-best upgrade to my home office (after working remotely for 10+ years) after a 43" 4K TV to use as a monitor. Much cheaper than a large monitor, better than 4 24" screens, and since I'm not using it for video games, no worries about the lower specs. A full-screen file compare between current and history in Visual Studio with solution explorer open is still very doable - very little (if any) horizontal scrolling. Showering/getting dressed/shaving is important, especially early on, to keep your mind in the game. Having a reasonable schedule so you're starting about the same time every day is good as well. Use Teams/Slack-type chat to stay in touch with your team - we have channels for various projects, general team discussions (is VPN down for you?), and individual chats to still be part of the team.

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      RickZeeland
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      The VPN discussion is a big thing over here too :-\

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      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

        Our office is moving to a location, way to far to me to commute every day (an additional hour and half to the existing two hours)... So I will start to work from home most of the days, and the question is - for those doing it already - what are the important things for a productive home office?

        "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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        Cpichols
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        When my company did an office change that required most of the staff to begin to work from home, they sent us with our own chairs, monitors, etc, in addition to our laptops. Still, I much prefer my own monitor, keyboard and mouse to those provided, so my work space is shared with my home office space (I just move the accessories over to my personal laptop). You need a definite workspace with a good office chair and a desk expansive enough to hold everything you need. The rest is all dependent on your own discipline and practices. Log on at the same time every day and work through as you would at the office, taking only the same breaks you would there. When you are finished for the day, shut your laptop and leave the room even if, like my your home office is in the same space. Walk away from the screen for a while at least; interact with the other people in your home; go to the gym. Enjoy your extra time from no longer commuting.

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        • M Member 7921483

          Yes, what he said. I would only add Time management as a major component. Hardware is the easy part. Starting at a specific time, taking an actual lunch break, and quitting at a designated time, is the hardest part for me. Act just like you are used to time wise. Start working when you normally do, stop working when you usually do. It is very easy to think of 5:00 as just a number on the clock but putting in 14 hour days can sneak up on you and will burn you out. I know this as a fact. I also know you can recover from burn out (most folks do) but it's not fun. Other than that and the suggestions above you really should enjoy the extra time you have and you will find you can have a productive day and 5 meetings without missing a beat! It only takes a couple of min. to set up a teams meeting and if you have an agenda for them they are usually very productive.

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          den2k88
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          Personally time management is the least of my issues, it allows me to work better. I usually shift evrything by an hour, doing 10 - 18, as it's my most productive time range. And while I occasionally worked overtime it had the same frequency of when I work in the office, epsecially considering how in no company I ever worked with overtime is allowed unless preemptively authorized by the boss for each instance and a set duration, plus the law fixes maximum overtime caps daily, weekly and yearly.

          GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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          • D den2k88

            Honestly my wife in the room would be the only thing that keeps me sane. I would bring her to work if I could, too bad she works elsewhere.

            GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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            Slow Eddie
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            You haven't been married very long then. :-D Or, you have married a quite exceptional lady.

            Married 50 years and loving every second of it.

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            • S Slow Eddie

              You haven't been married very long then. :-D Or, you have married a quite exceptional lady.

              Married 50 years and loving every second of it.

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              den2k88
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              6 years married, 13 living together, 17 as a couple. I firmly believe she is an exceptional lady. The breaks are much better when I'm with my loved ones, it calms me at a deep level.

              GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                Our office is moving to a location, way to far to me to commute every day (an additional hour and half to the existing two hours)... So I will start to work from home most of the days, and the question is - for those doing it already - what are the important things for a productive home office?

                "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                Mark Starr
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                I read most of the replies, especially OG and DerekT-P. I’d only add that your equipment (computer and peripherals) should be at least on par with business supplies items. And your internet connection be fast and stable. The cost is offset by reduced commute costs. Cheers,

                Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events. - Manly P. Hall Mark Just another cog in the wheel

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                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                  Our office is moving to a location, way to far to me to commute every day (an additional hour and half to the existing two hours)... So I will start to work from home most of the days, and the question is - for those doing it already - what are the important things for a productive home office?

                  "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                  obermd
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                  I have two chairs in my home office - one for me and one for my cat.

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                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                    Our office is moving to a location, way to far to me to commute every day (an additional hour and half to the existing two hours)... So I will start to work from home most of the days, and the question is - for those doing it already - what are the important things for a productive home office?

                    "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                    StarNamer work
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                    @OriginalGriff nailed. I've been working from home for 3 years which started with Covid lockdown. I already had an office/man-cave with a decent desk an office chair. I continue to work the same hours and only work in pyjamas if there been a problem and I'm firefighting. The cats aren't allowed it and the wife knock before entering in case I'm on a video call. I don't miss the commute, but have found its sometimes difficult to stop and the end of the day, when the janitor would have evicted me from the office because he wanted to lock up! I'd also recommend making sure to walk away from the desk (preferebly going outside) at lunchtime. It's far to easy to end up working and eating at your desk when it's at home!

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                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                      I have a separate room - check Chair and desk (to be here in two days) are picked - check Dress - was thinking pajamas... Reconsider it now (never was thinking of it, but makes sense) Snacking - this is a real problem (just lost 20 kg in the last year and not eager to find it). Not sure how to solve it realistically... I have kids also at home at different times of the day... I may prepare the food just as I do for the office and close the door... Time management - very good point! I will work on it... Thank you for the tips!!!

                      "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                      Matt Bond
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                      I work from home every day. I'm currently wearing pajama bottoms and a sweatshirt, and I'm one of the most productive people on my team. If cloths influence your state of mind, then go for dressing up. It doesn't impact mine. Part of transitioning is figuring out what works for you. Sometimes I goof off during the day, but then I work a little extra afterwards to make up for it. I get my 8 hours in and rarely do more than that. I go with "if my brain needs a break, then take it". The trick is to distinguish a break (bathroom, coffee, stretch legs, water-cooler talk, etc.) from doing non-work (playing games, watching videos, etc.). I use the rule - if it was acceptable in the office, then it's acceptable when working at home, and vice versa.

                      Bond Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere

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                      • R RickZeeland

                        A good perimeter defense system will do wonders :-\

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                        Matt Bond
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                        I prefer the ones from Portal 2. ;)

                        Bond Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere

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                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                          Our office is moving to a location, way to far to me to commute every day (an additional hour and half to the existing two hours)... So I will start to work from home most of the days, and the question is - for those doing it already - what are the important things for a productive home office?

                          "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                          SeattleC
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                          * Getting a really good office chair is very important. After using crappy chairs for a couple of years I invested in a really nice (Aeron) chair that cost about $900 at the time. Best investment ever. * If you have kids, you need a door, and you will need to spend time training the kids ("When dad is in the office, it's like he is not at home. You can come in for a hug and a kiss, but then you gotta go.") That worked for me, they could come in, solving the forbidden place problem, but they couldn't stay. * I agree that getting dressed like for the office is important. Of course, if you wear jeans and a t-shirt to the office, that shouldn't be much of a problem. * You'll have to push yourself to get up reasonably early, maybe split the morning commute time between sleeping in and extra productivity. Keeping a schedule will make it easier to start work. * It's really easy to lose track of time when you're working in the quiet of your home. Be sure to get up and move around, take a walk, or exercise. Eat your lunch away from work stuff, even if you're surfing the web or watching a video. * I got "mouse elbow" from too many hours at the desk. I solved it with a "vertical mouse". I'll never go back. * Music is a partial cure for loneliness and isolation, but it shouldn't be music with words. There is endless "focus music" on youtube. A lot of classical music is a good choice. There are also endless tracks of "ambient sounds" like birds chirping and water flowing.

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                          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                            Our office is moving to a location, way to far to me to commute every day (an additional hour and half to the existing two hours)... So I will start to work from home most of the days, and the question is - for those doing it already - what are the important things for a productive home office?

                            "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                            RussTheMan
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                            My advice would be only share your recovered travelling dead time with your employer - don't hand it all over . . I long ago realised I'm a workaholic - which wasn't so much of an issue in my thirties when I was fitter, freelance, and paid by the hour - now I'm in my sixties and salaried again I have to really hard to stop myself working beyond my hours when I work from home. I have kept a room in my house as an actual office for the last 30 years or so, but these days I prefer to commute for around 2 hours a day in exchange for more rigid start and end times . . I still believe it's a mortal sin to quit when you are "on a roll", but I temper that with how much it is appreciated in the form of Overtime pay enhancement or Time off in Lieu; if you don't get overtime, I believe you have to think of it as underpay and judge your employer accordingly . . Your mileage may vary of course, but that's my two cents-worth generally . .

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                            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                              Our office is moving to a location, way to far to me to commute every day (an additional hour and half to the existing two hours)... So I will start to work from home most of the days, and the question is - for those doing it already - what are the important things for a productive home office?

                              "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                              MarkTJohnson
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                              The stuff everyone else has said. Plus, if you can, make the office on a different floor than the kitchen and several doors. The more the effort to get to the food the less likely you are to go get some.

                              I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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                              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                I have a separate room - check Chair and desk (to be here in two days) are picked - check Dress - was thinking pajamas... Reconsider it now (never was thinking of it, but makes sense) Snacking - this is a real problem (just lost 20 kg in the last year and not eager to find it). Not sure how to solve it realistically... I have kids also at home at different times of the day... I may prepare the food just as I do for the office and close the door... Time management - very good point! I will work on it... Thank you for the tips!!!

                                "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                                pmauriks
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                                I lost weight during COVID. I think it was because I replaced half the commute with a bike ride for some exercise in the mornings. Allocating some time for that might work for you as well.

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                                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                  I do not know about trackball... never had one I - to be honest - do not feel like trying it... It look huge...I'm using small-size mouse... very simple... I will have a KVM (not sure what type) from the office, to enable to use both my own desktop computer and the one they will provide (I'm still not sure if I want a laptop or a small NUC)...

                                  "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                                  ormonds
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                                  I have both and alternate every battery change. Trying to avoid OOS or whatever the acronym is these days.

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    Quiet is good, a comfortable chair and a good desk. A designated work area is a good idea, rather than lying on the sofa with the lappie on your chest. If you act like it's an office, then you work like it's an office. Dress smart casual - like you would in an office. It may sound weird, but what you wear affects how you think. Slobbing out in tracky bottoms and a T is comfortable, but it's also "slobby" - and your brain knows that so the inclination is to act like a slob as well. A time lock on the fridge helps keep the weight down ... there is a lot of potential for snacking which is a problem. If you go to the kitchen for a coffee, ket a coffee and leave. Don't grab a sandwich, or biscuits - if you normally eat bickies at work, keep them in the office area. Time management is also important: have "work hours" and "off hours" - and try to stick to them. Don't goof off in work hours, don't work in off hours. And enjoy the commute! I didn't realize how much stress and wasted time was involved until I stopped doing it and started walkign ten paces to get to my desk. :D

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                                    ormonds
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                                    I think the question of time management depends on your personality. One thing I love about working from home is that at 1 am when the answer to a problem occurs to me I can get up and try it. So what if I sleep longer in the morning?

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                                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                      Our office is moving to a location, way to far to me to commute every day (an additional hour and half to the existing two hours)... So I will start to work from home most of the days, and the question is - for those doing it already - what are the important things for a productive home office?

                                      "If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg

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                                      Jeremy Falcon
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                                      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                                      what are the important things for a productive home office?

                                      1. Have a dedicated workspace, so it still feels like you're going to work or an office. If you mix your play location with your work location, you'll start mixing the two and that's bad juju. 2. You'll need to be extra vigilant about communication with your coworkers. When devs tend to WFH, sometimes getting ahold of them is difficult. If you find yourself getting lonely but don't want a long commute, you can always rent co-location workspace to get out of the house with.

                                      Jeremy Falcon

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