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Sometimes I hate having pride in being good at what I do

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    honey the codewitch
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    Banging my head against werq. The hardware isn't working. It's not really my responsibility, but one of the hardware guys has all but washed his hands of the situation, and he was the lead. We're right up at the deadline too - which is Friday. The thing is, I had my software done about a month ago. I did my part. So why do I feel like crap about this? :~

    To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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      Banging my head against werq. The hardware isn't working. It's not really my responsibility, but one of the hardware guys has all but washed his hands of the situation, and he was the lead. We're right up at the deadline too - which is Friday. The thing is, I had my software done about a month ago. I did my part. So why do I feel like crap about this? :~

      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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      Don't. Never take the blame for another's failure. That is a road to hardship. It's OK to feel sad, like, "I'm sad the project didn't get done. It would be nice to see my awesome work at work!" But anything more than that - 😬

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        Don't. Never take the blame for another's failure. That is a road to hardship. It's OK to feel sad, like, "I'm sad the project didn't get done. It would be nice to see my awesome work at work!" But anything more than that - 😬

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        honey the codewitch
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        I realize that on an intellectual level, but emotionally it's just hard for me to divest. It's probably vestigial from when I used to take projects personally early in my career. I've moved past it for the most part, but when projects go south I really don't like it. I also think part of that comes from when I worked as a consultant, doing "project rescue", I've seen more bad morale than any single person should have to. meh.

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          I realize that on an intellectual level, but emotionally it's just hard for me to divest. It's probably vestigial from when I used to take projects personally early in my career. I've moved past it for the most part, but when projects go south I really don't like it. I also think part of that comes from when I worked as a consultant, doing "project rescue", I've seen more bad morale than any single person should have to. meh.

          To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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          My first job as an engineer was to do time studies to improve work flows. Within a week I realized that the morale on the floor was so bad nothing would increase productivity unless things went terribly south, which would have pushed people to quit... Yay! (Not.)

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            My first job as an engineer was to do time studies to improve work flows. Within a week I realized that the morale on the floor was so bad nothing would increase productivity unless things went terribly south, which would have pushed people to quit... Yay! (Not.)

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            honey the codewitch
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            That sounds horribly familiar. I'm glad I don't do "project rescue" anymore.

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              Banging my head against werq. The hardware isn't working. It's not really my responsibility, but one of the hardware guys has all but washed his hands of the situation, and he was the lead. We're right up at the deadline too - which is Friday. The thing is, I had my software done about a month ago. I did my part. So why do I feel like crap about this? :~

              To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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              Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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              I feel you totally - even we are 9 developers working together, and we have also the customer providing the infrastructure on it's own, I always have to fight this crappy feeling when something somewhere goes wrong... Just can't help it...

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                I realize that on an intellectual level, but emotionally it's just hard for me to divest. It's probably vestigial from when I used to take projects personally early in my career. I've moved past it for the most part, but when projects go south I really don't like it. I also think part of that comes from when I worked as a consultant, doing "project rescue", I've seen more bad morale than any single person should have to. meh.

                To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                Nelek
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                honey the codewitch wrote:

                I also think part of that comes from when I worked as a consultant, doing "project rescue",

                In a previous job, me and other 3 guys were called the "Firemen squad" because we were always the ones called when things got too hot for the "normal" guys. We could guess how bad a project was, depending on how many of us were asked to overtake a project. It was very satisfactory to be one of them and to save the day, but at the end of the day, it was continous stress, we sometimes did not even get a simple thank you (not to say a real rise)... Once the team started falling apart, I tried to avoid being the last in the sinking boot. It is OK to be "affected" if something goes wrong, that's not a bad thing per se. The "bad" thing starts when it goes too far and you feel guilt even when it is not your fault. It is not easy, but it does really pay at the end, to learn how to say "go to hell and :elephant: yourself". Even though I am much better at it than before, I still have a long way to go. I can only tell you: Patience and Resilience (focus in yourself, here and now. For the rest: .i..)

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                  Banging my head against werq. The hardware isn't working. It's not really my responsibility, but one of the hardware guys has all but washed his hands of the situation, and he was the lead. We're right up at the deadline too - which is Friday. The thing is, I had my software done about a month ago. I did my part. So why do I feel like crap about this? :~

                  To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                  In part it's because we're creative people. We make stuff to be used. I get a kick every time someone uses one of my applications; I suppose it validates us to an extent, and proves that we're useful people. But like an artist that paints a picture that's locked away in a vault, when our creations are not seen / used / appreciated it's frustrating. Not in an arrogant, "look at me, I made that" way but just "it's doing what I made it to do" sort of way. When I was a trainee programmer some ( :laugh: ) years ago and my first commercial program (batch, on an IBM370) went live, my boss didn't tell me until weeks later. I was really annoyed, I couldn't understand why she'd not told me. Then I realised that I was writing code because I enjoyed it, the rest of the team did it just to pay the bills.

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                    Banging my head against werq. The hardware isn't working. It's not really my responsibility, but one of the hardware guys has all but washed his hands of the situation, and he was the lead. We're right up at the deadline too - which is Friday. The thing is, I had my software done about a month ago. I did my part. So why do I feel like crap about this? :~

                    To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                    The short answer is because you're good and care about the overall project. Having pride in what you do is a real strength. The longer answer is that it's tough for us to call it 'done' unless we see it in the wild. You may know it's 100%, but there's the piece that it doesn't feel done. I'm in the same boat, to some extent. Though we're dependent on an outside vendor for Monday's soft launch. Their part is laughable, but critical, and have nothing. They don't care. Though I preach accepting things out of my control, I don't really live it. It still drive me nuts. My advice is to never stop caring, but know when it is just time to sit back and watch the trainwreck.

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                      Banging my head against werq. The hardware isn't working. It's not really my responsibility, but one of the hardware guys has all but washed his hands of the situation, and he was the lead. We're right up at the deadline too - which is Friday. The thing is, I had my software done about a month ago. I did my part. So why do I feel like crap about this? :~

                      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                      In cases like that I turn hostile and with harsh voice explain the real facts. I hate weasels and I act accordingly.

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                        Banging my head against werq. The hardware isn't working. It's not really my responsibility, but one of the hardware guys has all but washed his hands of the situation, and he was the lead. We're right up at the deadline too - which is Friday. The thing is, I had my software done about a month ago. I did my part. So why do I feel like crap about this? :~

                        To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                        The feedback-loop to dump dopamine into my skull and motivate the next charge... It doesn't really complete till the whole orchestra is playing even if I'm aware I did a pretty bitchin' fiddle solo somewhere in the midst. If someone really enjoys the work and is more concerned with success of the whole than their individual contributions it (motivation to carry others' water) is not at all a bad thing. Where it maybe starts to come full circle and go Hyde (vs Jekyll) is the extreme of that. The same mindset, but possessed by a control freak.

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                          Banging my head against werq. The hardware isn't working. It's not really my responsibility, but one of the hardware guys has all but washed his hands of the situation, and he was the lead. We're right up at the deadline too - which is Friday. The thing is, I had my software done about a month ago. I did my part. So why do I feel like crap about this? :~

                          To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                          honey the codewitch wrote:

                          one of the hardware guys has all but washed his hands of the situation

                          How about the other hardware guys? Can you show that it is a hardware problem?, If so, what does the project manager say?

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                            Banging my head against werq. The hardware isn't working. It's not really my responsibility, but one of the hardware guys has all but washed his hands of the situation, and he was the lead. We're right up at the deadline too - which is Friday. The thing is, I had my software done about a month ago. I did my part. So why do I feel like crap about this? :~

                            To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                            I remember a project where I had to write a bunch of stored procedures that moved money from various accounts in a real estate management system as part of a larger system development project. I was just given a bunch of spreadsheets showing where and how much went on specific conditions. They had budgeted 2 months to get this working. I created a bunch of unit tests based on the spreadsheets and it was done in 2 weeks. When demonstrating the solution to the client, they noticed a condition that was missed in the requirements. I updated the tests, fixed the code, and ran the tests in less than 10 minutes while the client watched. They freaked as they had never seen unit testing on SQL before. They used my stuff to test the correctness or the rest of the project. "Mistakes are prevented by Experience. Experience is gained by making mistakes."

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                              Banging my head against werq. The hardware isn't working. It's not really my responsibility, but one of the hardware guys has all but washed his hands of the situation, and he was the lead. We're right up at the deadline too - which is Friday. The thing is, I had my software done about a month ago. I did my part. So why do I feel like crap about this? :~

                              To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                              Nobody should have "pride" in what they do. Humble thy self and quietly serve others with the skills no matter how mad you have been endowed with. This keeps you out of harms way. ;-)

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                                Nobody should have "pride" in what they do. Humble thy self and quietly serve others with the skills no matter how mad you have been endowed with. This keeps you out of harms way. ;-)

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                                Slacker007
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                                Ron Anders wrote:

                                Nobody should have "pride" in what they do.

                                :confused: Being proud of your work, your accomplishments, and what you do is a good thing. Being overly proud and bragging is not. I believe there is a very distinct separation of concerns there.

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                                  Ron Anders wrote:

                                  Nobody should have "pride" in what they do.

                                  :confused: Being proud of your work, your accomplishments, and what you do is a good thing. Being overly proud and bragging is not. I believe there is a very distinct separation of concerns there.

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                                  True - certain regulars here in the Lounge have become experts in the art of the Humblebrag[^] Just sayin'

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                                    True - certain regulars here in the Lounge have become experts in the art of the Humblebrag[^] Just sayin'

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                                    Oh, I know, believe me. Totally agree, but still...

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                                      True - certain regulars here in the Lounge have become experts in the art of the Humblebrag[^] Just sayin'

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                                      jmaida
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                                      I have never seen this word. Amazed it is in a dictionary. Sounds like slang or expression like humble pie

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                                        I have never seen this word. Amazed it is in a dictionary. Sounds like slang or expression like humble pie

                                        "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                                        Yeah, it’s definitely slang-adjacent in my opinion. Doesn’t take much to get into a dictionary these days.

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                                        • D David ONeil

                                          Don't. Never take the blame for another's failure. That is a road to hardship. It's OK to feel sad, like, "I'm sad the project didn't get done. It would be nice to see my awesome work at work!" But anything more than that - 😬

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                                          I agree with David.

                                          "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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