This sort of thing frustrates me
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Could an alien mothership be hovering around the solar system, sending out tiny probes to explore planets? According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible.
In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of “dandelion seeds” — small spacecraft that can gather and send back information, similar to the way humans send out spacecraft to explore planets.
Avi Loeb, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) — established in July 2022 by the Department of Defense (DoD) to detect and study “objects of interest” — released the draft, Physical Constraints on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, on March 7. It is not an official Pentagon document, but was carried out in partnership with the DoD. It has not been peer-reviewed.
This was posted in a forum I haunt by somebody - it comes from LiveScience. I responded:
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> According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible. > In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood On its face, the two statements above aren't really saying anything except "maybe there are aliens". That's the History Channel game. > It has not been peer-reviewed. This is very important. It's not science without peer-review. It may as well be astrology. This is just a fluff piece on some junk science.
I used to blame the journos for their ignorance about science and their rush to get clicks and attention for perpetuating this kind of thing. But eventually I realized that really, it's our responsibility to be mindful of what we take into our minds in the same way that it applies with our bodies. The reason this stuff gets spread around - the reason journos keep getting clicks for it in the first place - is a dearth of critical thinking skills. Is it any surprise then, that conspiracy theories abound on the Internet, and that that bleeds over into our reality? QAnon, et al. In some western European countries they teach critical thinking in the classroom while kids are still young. It floors me that we don't do that in school where I live. It seems so fundamental to thinking. Otherwise you just glom onto whatever affirms you or makes you feel good.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
In some western European countries they teach critical thinking in the classroom while kids are still young.
They seem more fixated on teaching gender theory these days.
Whatever they're doing, Western Europe's schools perform far better than the ones in my country.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Could an alien mothership be hovering around the solar system, sending out tiny probes to explore planets? According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible.
In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of “dandelion seeds” — small spacecraft that can gather and send back information, similar to the way humans send out spacecraft to explore planets.
Avi Loeb, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) — established in July 2022 by the Department of Defense (DoD) to detect and study “objects of interest” — released the draft, Physical Constraints on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, on March 7. It is not an official Pentagon document, but was carried out in partnership with the DoD. It has not been peer-reviewed.
This was posted in a forum I haunt by somebody - it comes from LiveScience. I responded:
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> According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible. > In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood On its face, the two statements above aren't really saying anything except "maybe there are aliens". That's the History Channel game. > It has not been peer-reviewed. This is very important. It's not science without peer-review. It may as well be astrology. This is just a fluff piece on some junk science.
I used to blame the journos for their ignorance about science and their rush to get clicks and attention for perpetuating this kind of thing. But eventually I realized that really, it's our responsibility to be mindful of what we take into our minds in the same way that it applies with our bodies. The reason this stuff gets spread around - the reason journos keep getting clicks for it in the first place - is a dearth of critical thinking skills. Is it any surprise then, that conspiracy theories abound on the Internet, and that that bleeds over into our reality? QAnon, et al. In some western European countries they teach critical thinking in the classroom while kids are still young. It floors me that we don't do that in school where I live. It seems so fundamental to thinking. Otherwise you just glom onto whatever affirms you or makes you feel good.
people don't want facts they want sensationalism. facts are boring and require logical thoughtful deliberation. Who wants to use their brains in our current society? I can't think of too many people who do.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
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Could an alien mothership be hovering around the solar system, sending out tiny probes to explore planets? According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible.
In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of “dandelion seeds” — small spacecraft that can gather and send back information, similar to the way humans send out spacecraft to explore planets.
Avi Loeb, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) — established in July 2022 by the Department of Defense (DoD) to detect and study “objects of interest” — released the draft, Physical Constraints on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, on March 7. It is not an official Pentagon document, but was carried out in partnership with the DoD. It has not been peer-reviewed.
This was posted in a forum I haunt by somebody - it comes from LiveScience. I responded:
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> According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible. > In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood On its face, the two statements above aren't really saying anything except "maybe there are aliens". That's the History Channel game. > It has not been peer-reviewed. This is very important. It's not science without peer-review. It may as well be astrology. This is just a fluff piece on some junk science.
I used to blame the journos for their ignorance about science and their rush to get clicks and attention for perpetuating this kind of thing. But eventually I realized that really, it's our responsibility to be mindful of what we take into our minds in the same way that it applies with our bodies. The reason this stuff gets spread around - the reason journos keep getting clicks for it in the first place - is a dearth of critical thinking skills. Is it any surprise then, that conspiracy theories abound on the Internet, and that that bleeds over into our reality? QAnon, et al. In some western European countries they teach critical thinking in the classroom while kids are still young. It floors me that we don't do that in school where I live. It seems so fundamental to thinking. Otherwise you just glom onto whatever affirms you or makes you feel good.
I think they're more in interested in Hoth. They already know there's no intelligent live here.
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I think they're more in interested in Hoth. They already know there's no intelligent live here.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
no intelligent live here.
Hey what about @OriginalGriff?
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people don't want facts they want sensationalism. facts are boring and require logical thoughtful deliberation. Who wants to use their brains in our current society? I can't think of too many people who do.
To err is human to really elephant it up you need a computer
> Who wants to use their brains in our current society? I think of the response among people to the "Spanish" Flu Pandemic in the early 20th century, as well as the response to smallpox vaccinations among some of the adult population and I think there's always been an undercurrent of intellectual laziness among a population of any size. Maybe the Internet made it worse. I don't know.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
no intelligent live here.
Hey what about @OriginalGriff?
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Hey what about @OriginalGriff?
But are you sure he is from this planet? :confused: :laugh: I'll get my coat!
Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!
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Could an alien mothership be hovering around the solar system, sending out tiny probes to explore planets? According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible.
In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of “dandelion seeds” — small spacecraft that can gather and send back information, similar to the way humans send out spacecraft to explore planets.
Avi Loeb, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) — established in July 2022 by the Department of Defense (DoD) to detect and study “objects of interest” — released the draft, Physical Constraints on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, on March 7. It is not an official Pentagon document, but was carried out in partnership with the DoD. It has not been peer-reviewed.
This was posted in a forum I haunt by somebody - it comes from LiveScience. I responded:
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> According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible. > In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood On its face, the two statements above aren't really saying anything except "maybe there are aliens". That's the History Channel game. > It has not been peer-reviewed. This is very important. It's not science without peer-review. It may as well be astrology. This is just a fluff piece on some junk science.
I used to blame the journos for their ignorance about science and their rush to get clicks and attention for perpetuating this kind of thing. But eventually I realized that really, it's our responsibility to be mindful of what we take into our minds in the same way that it applies with our bodies. The reason this stuff gets spread around - the reason journos keep getting clicks for it in the first place - is a dearth of critical thinking skills. Is it any surprise then, that conspiracy theories abound on the Internet, and that that bleeds over into our reality? QAnon, et al. In some western European countries they teach critical thinking in the classroom while kids are still young. It floors me that we don't do that in school where I live. It seems so fundamental to thinking. Otherwise you just glom onto whatever affirms you or makes you feel good.
honey the codewitch wrote:
it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of "dandelion seeds"
It is feasible that a dragon in another dimension is using small pixies to explore our solar system. I actually give that a higher probability that the prior one because the prior one is limited by the physics (and economics) of this universe while mine is not. But I certainly will not be spending time looking or even thinking about either.
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> Who wants to use their brains in our current society? I think of the response among people to the "Spanish" Flu Pandemic in the early 20th century, as well as the response to smallpox vaccinations among some of the adult population and I think there's always been an undercurrent of intellectual laziness among a population of any size. Maybe the Internet made it worse. I don't know.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
honey the codewitch wrote:
Maybe the Internet made it worse. I don't know.
It certainly allows it to travel broader and faster than ever before. :sigh:
TTFN - Kent
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honey the codewitch wrote:
In some western European countries they teach critical thinking in the classroom while kids are still young.
They seem more fixated on teaching gender theory these days.
It's almost like if you critically think about it, not only is the evidence for it present in all cultures dating back thousands of years, but it affects literally everyone. As if the current reactionary climate surrounding the topic is due primarily to ignorance, which can be solved by... teaching.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of "dandelion seeds"
It is feasible that a dragon in another dimension is using small pixies to explore our solar system. I actually give that a higher probability that the prior one because the prior one is limited by the physics (and economics) of this universe while mine is not. But I certainly will not be spending time looking or even thinking about either.
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Could an alien mothership be hovering around the solar system, sending out tiny probes to explore planets? According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible.
In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of “dandelion seeds” — small spacecraft that can gather and send back information, similar to the way humans send out spacecraft to explore planets.
Avi Loeb, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) — established in July 2022 by the Department of Defense (DoD) to detect and study “objects of interest” — released the draft, Physical Constraints on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, on March 7. It is not an official Pentagon document, but was carried out in partnership with the DoD. It has not been peer-reviewed.
This was posted in a forum I haunt by somebody - it comes from LiveScience. I responded:
Quote:
> According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible. > In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood On its face, the two statements above aren't really saying anything except "maybe there are aliens". That's the History Channel game. > It has not been peer-reviewed. This is very important. It's not science without peer-review. It may as well be astrology. This is just a fluff piece on some junk science.
I used to blame the journos for their ignorance about science and their rush to get clicks and attention for perpetuating this kind of thing. But eventually I realized that really, it's our responsibility to be mindful of what we take into our minds in the same way that it applies with our bodies. The reason this stuff gets spread around - the reason journos keep getting clicks for it in the first place - is a dearth of critical thinking skills. Is it any surprise then, that conspiracy theories abound on the Internet, and that that bleeds over into our reality? QAnon, et al. In some western European countries they teach critical thinking in the classroom while kids are still young. It floors me that we don't do that in school where I live. It seems so fundamental to thinking. Otherwise you just glom onto whatever affirms you or makes you feel good.
Given enough time, anything is possible. Oscillating, expanding; take your choice.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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Whatever they're doing, Western Europe's schools perform far better than the ones in my country.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
Do not worry... they are trying very hard to get to the same level... :doh: :sigh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
Maybe the Internet made it worse. I don't know.
It certainly allows it to travel broader and faster than ever before. :sigh:
TTFN - Kent
Which kind of end confirming Einstein's quote... :sigh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Could an alien mothership be hovering around the solar system, sending out tiny probes to explore planets? According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible.
In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of “dandelion seeds” — small spacecraft that can gather and send back information, similar to the way humans send out spacecraft to explore planets.
Avi Loeb, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) — established in July 2022 by the Department of Defense (DoD) to detect and study “objects of interest” — released the draft, Physical Constraints on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, on March 7. It is not an official Pentagon document, but was carried out in partnership with the DoD. It has not been peer-reviewed.
This was posted in a forum I haunt by somebody - it comes from LiveScience. I responded:
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> According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible. > In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood On its face, the two statements above aren't really saying anything except "maybe there are aliens". That's the History Channel game. > It has not been peer-reviewed. This is very important. It's not science without peer-review. It may as well be astrology. This is just a fluff piece on some junk science.
I used to blame the journos for their ignorance about science and their rush to get clicks and attention for perpetuating this kind of thing. But eventually I realized that really, it's our responsibility to be mindful of what we take into our minds in the same way that it applies with our bodies. The reason this stuff gets spread around - the reason journos keep getting clicks for it in the first place - is a dearth of critical thinking skills. Is it any surprise then, that conspiracy theories abound on the Internet, and that that bleeds over into our reality? QAnon, et al. In some western European countries they teach critical thinking in the classroom while kids are still young. It floors me that we don't do that in school where I live. It seems so fundamental to thinking. Otherwise you just glom onto whatever affirms you or makes you feel good.
They do not want the gen-pop thinking critically, it would make it harder for them to control the masses with FUD. As for the Harvard scientist and Pentagon official's conjecture, it sounds to me like nothing more than they're trying to justify their grants/budget.
There are no solutions, only trade-offs.
- Thomas SowellA day can really slip by when you're deliberately avoiding what you're supposed to do.
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Could an alien mothership be hovering around the solar system, sending out tiny probes to explore planets? According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible.
In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of “dandelion seeds” — small spacecraft that can gather and send back information, similar to the way humans send out spacecraft to explore planets.
Avi Loeb, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) — established in July 2022 by the Department of Defense (DoD) to detect and study “objects of interest” — released the draft, Physical Constraints on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, on March 7. It is not an official Pentagon document, but was carried out in partnership with the DoD. It has not been peer-reviewed.
This was posted in a forum I haunt by somebody - it comes from LiveScience. I responded:
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> According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible. > In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood On its face, the two statements above aren't really saying anything except "maybe there are aliens". That's the History Channel game. > It has not been peer-reviewed. This is very important. It's not science without peer-review. It may as well be astrology. This is just a fluff piece on some junk science.
I used to blame the journos for their ignorance about science and their rush to get clicks and attention for perpetuating this kind of thing. But eventually I realized that really, it's our responsibility to be mindful of what we take into our minds in the same way that it applies with our bodies. The reason this stuff gets spread around - the reason journos keep getting clicks for it in the first place - is a dearth of critical thinking skills. Is it any surprise then, that conspiracy theories abound on the Internet, and that that bleeds over into our reality? QAnon, et al. In some western European countries they teach critical thinking in the classroom while kids are still young. It floors me that we don't do that in school where I live. It seems so fundamental to thinking. Otherwise you just glom onto whatever affirms you or makes you feel good.
Research courtesy of ChatGPD.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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Could an alien mothership be hovering around the solar system, sending out tiny probes to explore planets? According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible.
In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of “dandelion seeds” — small spacecraft that can gather and send back information, similar to the way humans send out spacecraft to explore planets.
Avi Loeb, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) — established in July 2022 by the Department of Defense (DoD) to detect and study “objects of interest” — released the draft, Physical Constraints on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, on March 7. It is not an official Pentagon document, but was carried out in partnership with the DoD. It has not been peer-reviewed.
This was posted in a forum I haunt by somebody - it comes from LiveScience. I responded:
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> According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible. > In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood On its face, the two statements above aren't really saying anything except "maybe there are aliens". That's the History Channel game. > It has not been peer-reviewed. This is very important. It's not science without peer-review. It may as well be astrology. This is just a fluff piece on some junk science.
I used to blame the journos for their ignorance about science and their rush to get clicks and attention for perpetuating this kind of thing. But eventually I realized that really, it's our responsibility to be mindful of what we take into our minds in the same way that it applies with our bodies. The reason this stuff gets spread around - the reason journos keep getting clicks for it in the first place - is a dearth of critical thinking skills. Is it any surprise then, that conspiracy theories abound on the Internet, and that that bleeds over into our reality? QAnon, et al. In some western European countries they teach critical thinking in the classroom while kids are still young. It floors me that we don't do that in school where I live. It seems so fundamental to thinking. Otherwise you just glom onto whatever affirms you or makes you feel good.
Ever since the Sixties, I would say that US education has abandoned rigourous, logical thinking in favour of "self affirmation", "feelings", and other distractions. In that, they were only one generation ahead of the rest of the Western world. Western civilization may coast on its past accomplishments for a few more decades, but unless a major shift occurs in the near future - the late 21st and 22nd centuries will be under the ascendancy of South and East Asia. They haven't lost sight of the goals.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Research courtesy of ChatGPD.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
ChatGPT is faster at producing average nonsense, but only humans can produce first-class nonsense! :sigh:
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Ever since the Sixties, I would say that US education has abandoned rigourous, logical thinking in favour of "self affirmation", "feelings", and other distractions. In that, they were only one generation ahead of the rest of the Western world. Western civilization may coast on its past accomplishments for a few more decades, but unless a major shift occurs in the near future - the late 21st and 22nd centuries will be under the ascendancy of South and East Asia. They haven't lost sight of the goals.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
I think once societies achieve a certain level of advancement, or at least - I struggle for the word here - "decadence" almost covers it but I don't like moral connotations of it generally they tend to rest on their laurels, and even pursue more frivolous aims. Douglas Adams sort of touched on this in his books at a couple of points.
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“The history of every major galactic civilisation tends to pass through three distinct and recognisable phases, those of Survival, Enquiry and Sophistication, otherwise known as the How, Why and Where phases. For instance, the first phase is characterised by the question How can we eat?, the second by the question Why do we eat?, and the third but the question Where shall we have lunch?”
There's a longer, better quote that dovetails more with what I'm getting at, but it's about shoe stores. It's also too long to comfortably post here. It's basically a short story. I think in the end, there's a global ebb and flow among competing civilizations, as one gets comfortable, the ones that are still hungry will eventually overtake them, but then the comfortable become the hungry. For a long time, China wasn't competitive. Then they were. Maybe it's just our turn.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Could an alien mothership be hovering around the solar system, sending out tiny probes to explore planets? According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible.
In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood, exploring the region by the means of “dandelion seeds” — small spacecraft that can gather and send back information, similar to the way humans send out spacecraft to explore planets.
Avi Loeb, an astronomer at Harvard University, and Sean M. Kirkpatrick, director of the Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) — established in July 2022 by the Department of Defense (DoD) to detect and study “objects of interest” — released the draft, Physical Constraints on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, on March 7. It is not an official Pentagon document, but was carried out in partnership with the DoD. It has not been peer-reviewed.
This was posted in a forum I haunt by somebody - it comes from LiveScience. I responded:
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> According to a Harvard scientist and a Pentagon official, it’s possible. > In a draft paper, the pair said it is feasible an extraterrestrial spaceship could be in our galactic neighborhood On its face, the two statements above aren't really saying anything except "maybe there are aliens". That's the History Channel game. > It has not been peer-reviewed. This is very important. It's not science without peer-review. It may as well be astrology. This is just a fluff piece on some junk science.
I used to blame the journos for their ignorance about science and their rush to get clicks and attention for perpetuating this kind of thing. But eventually I realized that really, it's our responsibility to be mindful of what we take into our minds in the same way that it applies with our bodies. The reason this stuff gets spread around - the reason journos keep getting clicks for it in the first place - is a dearth of critical thinking skills. Is it any surprise then, that conspiracy theories abound on the Internet, and that that bleeds over into our reality? QAnon, et al. In some western European countries they teach critical thinking in the classroom while kids are still young. It floors me that we don't do that in school where I live. It seems so fundamental to thinking. Otherwise you just glom onto whatever affirms you or makes you feel good.
i find such reports frustrating also for the reason my critical thinking leads me to conclude it is absurd to speak w/ such confidence re/ aliens who are one millions years more advanced than us .