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Should we / I worry about AI "taking over the world "?

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  • L Lost User

    I would not - here is AI "corollary" on some of the "answers" I have received over the years,,,'' The "AI answer " is "missing " why would you want to do that ?"...'' and besides - what does AI knows about "GIGO" ?

    It’s difficult to say what’s wrong with the code without more context. Can you provide more information about what the code is supposed to do and what isn’t working as expected? Also, is this the entire code or just a part of it?

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    Kate X257
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    The risk is not AI taking over the world. The risk is people actively trying to use it to assert dominance. As part of the Russian-Chinese trade agreement, for example, Russia proposes 'their' cutting edge AI research is made available to China. Thing is, Russia doesn't do a whole lot of original research in the area, but they do actively encourage certain groups loosely-affiliated with them to experiment and innovate in that area, with no oversight. So basically, it matters that we act responsibly, but more importantly, we need to prepare and act pro-actively to detect and actively counter active threats. If one group creates a malicious AI, you basically need a more advanced and specialized AI system to actively counter that threat. GPT suggests, beyond educating people to be responsible (not seeing that happen soon), to increase research pace toward early detecting systems and monitoring systems. Since we build GPT explicitly to help us and foster good relationships, it will do just that. Let's not be blind toward projects that are run with the sole purpose of creating threats, and actively prepare for them and think about how to counter them. We still have the luxury of time at this point, let's not waste it, and keep ahead of the curve.

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    • L Lost User

      I would not - here is AI "corollary" on some of the "answers" I have received over the years,,,'' The "AI answer " is "missing " why would you want to do that ?"...'' and besides - what does AI knows about "GIGO" ?

      It’s difficult to say what’s wrong with the code without more context. Can you provide more information about what the code is supposed to do and what isn’t working as expected? Also, is this the entire code or just a part of it?

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      JohaViss61
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      They can't do a worse job than humans have been doing for the last 2000 years. :laugh: :laugh:

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      • L Lost User

        I would not - here is AI "corollary" on some of the "answers" I have received over the years,,,'' The "AI answer " is "missing " why would you want to do that ?"...'' and besides - what does AI knows about "GIGO" ?

        It’s difficult to say what’s wrong with the code without more context. Can you provide more information about what the code is supposed to do and what isn’t working as expected? Also, is this the entire code or just a part of it?

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        John Wellbelove
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        I'm not afraid on them taking over the world, I'm afraid that they'll turn out like the ones in 'The Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy' and they'll be insistently and annoyingly 'helpful', whether you like it or not.[

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        • F fgs1963

          Neither group is entirely right but Group 1 is nearest the mark. My prediction: Within 50 years (probably a bit less) a LARGE percentage of today's software development jobs will be gone. A few "wizards" will remain to mind the AI but the mundane stuff that the vast majority of today's devs do will be gone. That being said - project managers and sales/marketing drones will also be gone. The CEOs will deal directly with the wizards.

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          Kate X257
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          Logically, that would make me a witch. I can live with that.🧙‍♀️

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          • K k5054

            Since that's the gist of about 80% of the responses to questions in QA, I'm not sure you're making the point you think you are.

            Keep Calm and Carry On

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            BryanFazekas
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            Or it emphasizes his point -- there is zero "intelligence" in AI, it's just a monkey learning colors and passing matching blocks. When I execute a search, I must review the answers, as some are obviously wrong (for my need), so I have to exert myself to locate the most correct answer(s) I can. The biggest danger of so-called AI is that people will begin to trust it, when it's just a monkey doing color matching. "Training" reduces the number of obviously wrong answers, and possibly increases the number of "may be correct" answers. Intelligence and experience is required to determine the validity, and AI does not have that.

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            • L Lost User

              I would not - here is AI "corollary" on some of the "answers" I have received over the years,,,'' The "AI answer " is "missing " why would you want to do that ?"...'' and besides - what does AI knows about "GIGO" ?

              It’s difficult to say what’s wrong with the code without more context. Can you provide more information about what the code is supposed to do and what isn’t working as expected? Also, is this the entire code or just a part of it?

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              Bruce Patin
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              I read somewhere from a time traveler that an AI would be running the world at some point. People have found that an AI does a much better and fairer job than politicians.

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              • F fgs1963

                Should anybody worry about AI "taking over the world" in the next few years? No. Should anybody be concerned about the future of their jobs specifically and society generally as AI becomes more robust in the future? Yes. Not sure why so many struggle with this... like everything else in technology - AI will continue to get more functional with every advancement.

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                jschell
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                fgs1963 wrote:

                Should anybody be concerned about the future of their jobs specifically and society generally as AI becomes more robust in the future? Yes.

                Future being what exactly? Development of "AI" started in the 1950s. Myself I am still waiting for that self driving car and the endless parade of software that claims it will make developers obsolete to become more "robust".

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                • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                  I wonder if there's a stupid gene or does it take practice? :)

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                  jschell
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                  To be fair there is stupidity, ignorance and foolishness. And then those are impacted by other factors like arrogance, elitism, laziness, etc.

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                  • F fgs1963

                    Neither group is entirely right but Group 1 is nearest the mark. My prediction: Within 50 years (probably a bit less) a LARGE percentage of today's software development jobs will be gone. A few "wizards" will remain to mind the AI but the mundane stuff that the vast majority of today's devs do will be gone. That being said - project managers and sales/marketing drones will also be gone. The CEOs will deal directly with the wizards.

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                    jschell
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                    fgs1963 wrote:

                    My prediction: Within 50 years (probably a bit less) a LARGE percentage of today's software development jobs will be gone

                    Will that be before or after self driving cars actually work?

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                    • K Kate X257

                      The risk is not AI taking over the world. The risk is people actively trying to use it to assert dominance. As part of the Russian-Chinese trade agreement, for example, Russia proposes 'their' cutting edge AI research is made available to China. Thing is, Russia doesn't do a whole lot of original research in the area, but they do actively encourage certain groups loosely-affiliated with them to experiment and innovate in that area, with no oversight. So basically, it matters that we act responsibly, but more importantly, we need to prepare and act pro-actively to detect and actively counter active threats. If one group creates a malicious AI, you basically need a more advanced and specialized AI system to actively counter that threat. GPT suggests, beyond educating people to be responsible (not seeing that happen soon), to increase research pace toward early detecting systems and monitoring systems. Since we build GPT explicitly to help us and foster good relationships, it will do just that. Let's not be blind toward projects that are run with the sole purpose of creating threats, and actively prepare for them and think about how to counter them. We still have the luxury of time at this point, let's not waste it, and keep ahead of the curve.

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                      jschell
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                      Kate-X257 wrote:

                      we need to prepare and act pro-actively to detect and actively counter active threats. If one group creates a malicious AI, you basically need a more advanced and specialized AI system to actively counter that threat.

                      So we should focus on that one AI versus the potential millions of people around the world that continuously seek active harm through technology?

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                      • J JohaViss61

                        They can't do a worse job than humans have been doing for the last 2000 years. :laugh: :laugh:

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                        jschell
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                        Wait what? They were doing a good job before then?

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                        • J jschell

                          To be fair there is stupidity, ignorance and foolishness. And then those are impacted by other factors like arrogance, elitism, laziness, etc.

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                          Mike Hankey
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                          Since I posted th4e message I started reading "How the mind works" by Pinker and it goes into a lot of the reasons why people act the way they do. Interesting read.

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                          • B Bruce Patin

                            I read somewhere from a time traveler that an AI would be running the world at some point. People have found that an AI does a much better and fairer job than politicians.

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                            jschell
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                            Bruce Patin wrote:

                            I read somewhere from a time traveler

                            Did the time traveler provide any information about future stock market trends?

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                            • J jschell

                              fgs1963 wrote:

                              Should anybody be concerned about the future of their jobs specifically and society generally as AI becomes more robust in the future? Yes.

                              Future being what exactly? Development of "AI" started in the 1950s. Myself I am still waiting for that self driving car and the endless parade of software that claims it will make developers obsolete to become more "robust".

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                              fgs1963
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                              jschell wrote:

                              Future being what exactly?

                              Sometime after now. :rolleyes:

                              jschell wrote:

                              Development of "AI" started in the 1950s.

                              If you haven't noticed, human technological advancement a) sometimes happens in leaps and b) is escalating at a geometric rate not linear. In the 1950's there was severely limited hardware* and only a handful of developers working on AI. Now we have exaflop super computers and thousands of very well financed developers working on AI. If you don't see AI becoming radically better over the short term (ie. the next few decades) then you might want to open your eyes. *The 1960 Cray CDC1604 was the fastest super computer ever made at the time. It was 48bit, 192kB of memory and operated at 0.1 MIPS.

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                              • J jschell

                                fgs1963 wrote:

                                My prediction: Within 50 years (probably a bit less) a LARGE percentage of today's software development jobs will be gone

                                Will that be before or after self driving cars actually work?

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                                fgs1963
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                                Just bury your head a little deeper. I'm sure everything will work out just fine for you. :rolleyes:

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                                  fgs1963 wrote:

                                  My prediction: Within 50 years (probably a bit less) a LARGE percentage of today's software development jobs will be gone

                                  Will that be before or after self driving cars actually work?

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                                  Hooga Booga
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                                  Self driving cars will work when they don't have to deal with human drivers on the roads.

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                                  • J jschell

                                    Bruce Patin wrote:

                                    I read somewhere from a time traveler

                                    Did the time traveler provide any information about future stock market trends?

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                                    Bruce Patin
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                                    Yes. Invest in time travelling companies! ;)

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                                    • H Hooga Booga

                                      Self driving cars will work when they don't have to deal with human drivers on the roads.

                                      Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx

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                                      jschell
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                                      Even easier if nothing else moved either. No pedestrians, no pets, no cows, no deer, no blowing trash. Even no other self driving cars.

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                                      • F fgs1963

                                        Just bury your head a little deeper. I'm sure everything will work out just fine for you. :rolleyes:

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                                        jschell
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                                        Yep. Just like flying cars. And autonomous robots (Asimov not roomba) And mars colonies. And faster than light drives And planetary alignment catastrophes And year 2000 meltdown etc... Even that Stephen Hawking would not live to see 25. So very, very many predictions about the future and so very, very few that are even close and usually only then by stretching to find a correlation.

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                                        • J jschell

                                          Yep. Just like flying cars. And autonomous robots (Asimov not roomba) And mars colonies. And faster than light drives And planetary alignment catastrophes And year 2000 meltdown etc... Even that Stephen Hawking would not live to see 25. So very, very many predictions about the future and so very, very few that are even close and usually only then by stretching to find a correlation.

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                                          fgs1963
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                                          Says a guy on the world wide web (the same web that 5 billion other people will use this year) that barely existed 30 years ago. The same guy that probably has a smart phone that has 5000x more computing power than the fastest super computers of the 1980's in 1/5000th the space. Most 12 year old kids have the same smart phone... Never mind other AMAZING things our parents never dreamed of as kids: flash drives, SSDs, fiber optics, the human genome project, graphene, WiFi & Bluetooth, Large Hadron Collider, AbioCor artificial hearts, artificial joints, stem cells, gene editing (CRISPR), laser/robotic surgery, GPS, MRIs, facial recognition, cheap drones, 3D printing, etc...

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