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How does one know when middle and senior management have no clue? Here's your sign....

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  • C charlieg

    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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    Marc Clifton
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    That's a question? I always thought it was just a given.

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    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

      Let's be honest, for some management types a stapler is about the most complicated machine they can actually use.

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      exactly my point. Although I agree wit not issuing everyone a stapler, the fact that senior management rants about it was my point :)

      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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        charlieg wrote:

        Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

        Closed and moved to a private (and presumably pro-racist) site behind a paywall.

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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        charlieg
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        seriously? SA is about as non-racist as you can get. Humanity gives him an unending amount of material to work with.

        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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          charlieg wrote:

          Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

          I guess that this is the one that you are alluding to: Just Ask They Guy: The Hard Truth - : Employees as your biggest asset - Yes or No ?[^] and repeated at Weekend Round Up: The EEOC and disputing common wisdom | KRESS[^] etc

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          charlieg
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          no, but it's funny. This is the one where one VP asks another, "hey, what's up big guy?" and the other answers, "I'm worried. Some of my decisions are coming back to haunt me." The other responds, "Don't worry, we'll schedule a re-org." :)

          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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          • C charlieg

            https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

            Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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            They better keep their hands off of my vintage red Swingline! :laugh:

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            • C charlieg

              seriously? SA is about as non-racist as you can get. Humanity gives him an unending amount of material to work with.

              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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              Dilbert cartoon dropped by US newspapers over creator’s racist comments | US news | The Guardian[^] As this effectively liquidated his revenue stream, Dilbert went behind a paywall within days of being dropped.

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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              • C charlieg

                https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                Amarnath S
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                Shouldn't they shift their focus on printer paper rather than staplers? Printer paper necessitates the use of staplers, and they should cut down on the root rather than one branch of the cost-tree.

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  Dilbert cartoon dropped by US newspapers over creator’s racist comments | US news | The Guardian[^] As this effectively liquidated his revenue stream, Dilbert went behind a paywall within days of being dropped.

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  Robin DiAngelo and Scott Adams: Double Standard on Race | National Review[^] Its all relative...

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                  • C charlieg

                    https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                    Surely they have no need for staplers, putting e-documents in their ultra-mega-secure cloud storage would totally be the way to go. :|

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                      Robin DiAngelo and Scott Adams: Double Standard on Race | National Review[^] Its all relative...

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                      Yep, reverse the skin color of the people involved and if it's not racist afterwords it wasn't racist before. Pure, simple, and easy test. If this test changes the answer between racist and non-racist in either direction then the answer is racist in both directions. For programmers, this is a logical OR where Racist = 1 and non-Racist = 0.

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        charlieg wrote:

                        Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                        Closed and moved to a private (and presumably pro-racist) site behind a paywall.

                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        Closed and moved to a private (and presumably pro-racist) site behind a paywall.

                        wordnik dictionary

                        presume prĭ-zoo͞m′ intransitive verb To take for granted as being true in the absence of proof to the contrary.

                        Oh my gosh, that word you used was a perfect description of the modern world. 1. "To take for granted as being true" -- So many people just saying crap they assume is true. 2. "in the absence of proof to the contrary" -- Guilty until proven innocent! There are so many things I could presume about you. The possibilities are limitless. :rolleyes:

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                          Yep, reverse the skin color of the people involved and if it's not racist afterwords it wasn't racist before. Pure, simple, and easy test. If this test changes the answer between racist and non-racist in either direction then the answer is racist in both directions. For programmers, this is a logical OR where Racist = 1 and non-Racist = 0.

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                          In this case DiAngelo and Adams are both white. The difference is in political ideology.

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                          • C charlieg

                            https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                            Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                            I always liked: "Times are tight, we have to cut out unnecessary spending". Made me wonder if, when the economy picks up, could we restart unnecessary spending?

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                            • C charlieg

                              https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                              Ruth Porat made 14 million in 2021. I wonder if that was "necessary" spending?

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                              • C charlieg

                                https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                                Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                Rick York
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                                I always assume they don't and that is almost always correct. At least at previous employers it certainly was, especially the publicly-traded ones. When they actually DO have a clue it really stands out and is very obvious. It is also so rare that it is the exception, not the rule.

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                                • P PIEBALDconsult

                                  Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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                                  First job out of college (Univac) I needed a stapler a couple weeks after I started. Went to the office supply room and there were none. The supply person said they'd been on back order for months, no idea when they'd be in. I went to a colleague to borrow his. He opens a drawer and hands me one of his ~6. "Why do you have 6 staplers?" Because last year they couldn't get staples, but all the staplers were fully loaded. Run out of staples, go get a new stapler. Apparently lots of people did just that. There were probably 3 staplers per person in the building, just hidden in people's desks. X|

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                                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                                    Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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                                    Lost User
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                                    The one at the printer station disappears.

                                    "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                                      Contrariwise, I always get irked when they issue a stapler and a lifetime supply of staples to every new employee. There is no need for everyone to have a stapler. Just put one in each printer station.

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                                      My stapler does more than 2 sheets.

                                      "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                                      • C charlieg

                                        https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                                        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                        Another question. How does one know when you have no clue? It has been my experience that management usually does have the clues. They just don't always share or want to share. Paper clips, staples, staplers, printer paper are obvious tools of the job and cheap. It's a poor worker who blames the tool. Not always true, but sometimes very near. Need them and don't have them. Go out and buy some. They are cheap enough. Just keep the receipts.

                                        "A little time, a little trouble, your better day" Badfinger

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                                        • C charlieg

                                          https://www.cnbc.com/2023/04/03/google-to-cut-down-on-employee-laptops-services-and-staplers-to-save.html?utm_source=tldrnewsletter[^] Any time a VP or an executive VP starts fussing about staplers, you know you're in trouble. Their bad decisions are catching up with them. Where is that dilbert cartoon when you need it?

                                          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                          I once worked for a company with three owners and about four to five employees (including myself). The three owners were new and bought the company from the previous owners, who made it into a small, but successful business with a good name in meat processing. Needless to say, the new owners wanted to go in a new direction. Where the previous owners were part of the workforce, the new owners saw themselves more as managers and "big picture thinkers." So three "big shot managers" and four to five people having to earn all the money, things went downhill fast. Three people with new plans needed A LOT of meetings. Customers even started calling saying things like "I need [that owner], but he's probably in a meeting." They were absent even for us, even though they were meeting in the next room. So, after lots of meetings they decided it was time for a budget cut: no more lemonade and only house brand tea (instead of Pickwick). I made a simple calculation and found that the tea would save about €10 a year and would upset coworkers and myself, but they were determined. That €10 budget cut pushed me over the edge to search for a new job, which cost them A LOT more...

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