"Forced win11" - It's happening.
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raddevus wrote:
2. Steam - I have some windows games i would lose I guess
dedicated VirtualBox or VMWare... :doh: :rolleyes: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek said:
dedicated VirtualBox
I have a dedicated Win10 VirtualBox image but I couldn’t get the video drivers right to be able to work with steam Have you done it? It was tricky for me and I gave up
raddevus wrote:
Have you done it?
No need.. my monster machine is not feasible for windows 11 :rolleyes: ;P :laugh: Have you nothing as installer for the drivers? I have never had such a problem (yet)
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Wish I knew a foolproof way to stop updates on Win10 Home. I've disabled/deleted Win Update service eventually, but nope, it's reinstated itself. I've turned off every single thing I can find relating to updates and although it usually warns me and allows me to defer them (apparently repeatedly and therefore forever) occasionally it will just do it's thing regardless; and certainly after almost every reboot (which is very infrequent) it will apply updates even if I told it to postpone. In doing so it's lost my all-in-one printer drivers (I can now use a generic driver to print but can no longer scan); it's lost all my Chrome cookies several times; it's reset screen resolutions; it's changed colour schemes; and various other things. Just sick of it all.
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raddevus wrote:
That’s really terrible.
No, what's terrible is that he's using Windows 8.1.
Cheers, Vikram.
Windows 8.1 is the last version that does not have enforced updates. I will not go to any more Windows versions, and will have to use only Linux when Windows 8.1 beomes unusable.
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PIEbaldConsult said:
Chrome said that it needed an update and then said that if I wanted further updates I'd have to go to Win 11.
That’s really terrible. Time to go to Linux on that piece of h/w. Or,is it a MS Surface or something? I run Ubuntu 22.04 on my main desktop and I remote to work Win10 PCs and everything works great. I have a laptop with Win10 on it and I’m really considering putting Linux on it too if MS keeps on pushing like this. there are only two apps that I need on Win10: 1. Atmel Studio - seems to only run on windows via Visual Studio 2. Steam - I have some windows games i would lose I guess that’s it.
Recently purchased a new laptop and without any thought on keeping Win 10/11 just installed Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop. Have switched my laptops to Linux when MS decided that a few years old hardware was unsupported. I currently run 10 Ubuntu 22.04 Servers on a VMWare ESXI machine and Desktop on my 2 laptops. Best move ever made.
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When I went to use my ancient Win 8.1 piece of crap yesterday, Chrome said that it needed an update and then said that if I wanted further updates I'd have to go to Win 11.
WIn7 and Win8 stopped getting new Chrome builds a month or two ago. Other than perhaps hoping you'd decide to get a chromebook instead, I'm not sure why google would be claiming your only option is win11. Win10's only got a few years left, but a lot of win8 era systems can't upgrade to W11 without hacking the installer.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
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Windows 8.1 is the last version that does not have enforced updates. I will not go to any more Windows versions, and will have to use only Linux when Windows 8.1 beomes unusable.
When was Windows 8.1 ever usable? I'm confused.
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Recently purchased a new laptop and without any thought on keeping Win 10/11 just installed Ubuntu 22.04 Desktop. Have switched my laptops to Linux when MS decided that a few years old hardware was unsupported. I currently run 10 Ubuntu 22.04 Servers on a VMWare ESXI machine and Desktop on my 2 laptops. Best move ever made.
Wonder what you'll think when MS finally purchases Canonical.
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PIEbaldConsult said:
Chrome said that it needed an update and then said that if I wanted further updates I'd have to go to Win 11.
That’s really terrible. Time to go to Linux on that piece of h/w. Or,is it a MS Surface or something? I run Ubuntu 22.04 on my main desktop and I remote to work Win10 PCs and everything works great. I have a laptop with Win10 on it and I’m really considering putting Linux on it too if MS keeps on pushing like this. there are only two apps that I need on Win10: 1. Atmel Studio - seems to only run on windows via Visual Studio 2. Steam - I have some windows games i would lose I guess that’s it.
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Nelek said:
dedicated VirtualBox
I have a dedicated Win10 VirtualBox image but I couldn’t get the video drivers right to be able to work with steam Have you done it? It was tricky for me and I gave up
Use a KVM/QEMU VM and GPU passthrough. I've been running a system like this for a couple years now. All my Steam and GOG games run perfectly fine in my Win 10 VM. The main requirement is that your motherboard supports 2 GPUs. You'll dedicate 1 GPU to Linux and the other to the VM.
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WIn7 and Win8 stopped getting new Chrome builds a month or two ago. Other than perhaps hoping you'd decide to get a chromebook instead, I'm not sure why google would be claiming your only option is win11. Win10's only got a few years left, but a lot of win8 era systems can't upgrade to W11 without hacking the installer.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
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Dan Neely wrote:
but a lot of win8 era systems can't upgrade to W11 without hacking the installe
A lot of them are 32 bit as well which means there is no way it will work.
IIRC 32bit was rare for factory Win8 systems; with only some of the lowest end race to the bottom systems having it. ex My mom's $200-300 11.6", Atom, 4gb, 32gb laptop came with a 64 bit windows install. As cramped as the storage has proven, 32 bit would probably have made maintenance a lot easier.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius
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Yesterday one of my clients came in because on his screen was a warning that his windows 10 was no longer going to get corruptdates and to go to windows 11. He had no desire to do so, so I killt his automatic corruptdates and off he went. Another guy just left with the same message but when I asked if he wanted this message to stop (he's probably close to 90) he said he didn't understand. So I just let him go having fixed his unrelated issue. Here is comes kids.
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It would seem MS finally figured out what FB knew all along... your data is valuable. Macs do it too, but for some reason nobody cares when it comes to Macs. Either way, big tech is getting too big for its britches where they think they own us. Hopefully, someone will actually make a user-friendly Linux distro that doesn't sound like it was named by an 11-year-old who thinks crap like "Donkey OS" is a good idea.
Jeremy Falcon
"user-friendly Linux"! I wish I'd live to see that day... It will come sometime in "the year of Linux" ;) Crappy names is the last thing I care about Linux. I've been using Linux since 1997 (Suse), I have a dual boot machine with Ubuntu and Win 10 and a VB with Fedora. I know/used several programming languages, have a masters in computers and hardware engineering and I am persistent. Not enough for Linux! It is renown for its stability, security, getting updates without need to reboot, etc. It is all long gone! The difference between Linux and Windows is that, while windows is an environment populated with programs/applications one can just use, Linux is the work in itself - always tweaking, learning, keeping up-to-date with the latest changes, dealing with applications that just don't work anymore because some 'dependency' changed version or was deleted, etc.,etc. I am so sick and tired of having to spend my time fighting the OS, instead doing some useful work. Linux has its place on servers, in embedded systems (because it's free) and generally used by experts and masochists (like me). Not for the casual/ordinary/sane user as the only OS on he/her's computer.
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"user-friendly Linux"! I wish I'd live to see that day... It will come sometime in "the year of Linux" ;) Crappy names is the last thing I care about Linux. I've been using Linux since 1997 (Suse), I have a dual boot machine with Ubuntu and Win 10 and a VB with Fedora. I know/used several programming languages, have a masters in computers and hardware engineering and I am persistent. Not enough for Linux! It is renown for its stability, security, getting updates without need to reboot, etc. It is all long gone! The difference between Linux and Windows is that, while windows is an environment populated with programs/applications one can just use, Linux is the work in itself - always tweaking, learning, keeping up-to-date with the latest changes, dealing with applications that just don't work anymore because some 'dependency' changed version or was deleted, etc.,etc. I am so sick and tired of having to spend my time fighting the OS, instead doing some useful work. Linux has its place on servers, in embedded systems (because it's free) and generally used by experts and masochists (like me). Not for the casual/ordinary/sane user as the only OS on he/her's computer.
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"user-friendly Linux"! I wish I'd live to see that day... It will come sometime in "the year of Linux" ;) Crappy names is the last thing I care about Linux. I've been using Linux since 1997 (Suse), I have a dual boot machine with Ubuntu and Win 10 and a VB with Fedora. I know/used several programming languages, have a masters in computers and hardware engineering and I am persistent. Not enough for Linux! It is renown for its stability, security, getting updates without need to reboot, etc. It is all long gone! The difference between Linux and Windows is that, while windows is an environment populated with programs/applications one can just use, Linux is the work in itself - always tweaking, learning, keeping up-to-date with the latest changes, dealing with applications that just don't work anymore because some 'dependency' changed version or was deleted, etc.,etc. I am so sick and tired of having to spend my time fighting the OS, instead doing some useful work. Linux has its place on servers, in embedded systems (because it's free) and generally used by experts and masochists (like me). Not for the casual/ordinary/sane user as the only OS on he/her's computer.
You're preaching to the choir man. I love Linux for servers and/or SBCs, IoT devices, etc. as well. But, for the desktop it's still too much hassle for the average person. I'm no longer a fan of Macs, but the truth is some people want to just use their computer without having to study for years to learn how to use it. Linux on the desktop fails hard in that category and it's not even hard to break the system if you miss one update - which on some distros will happen like damn near daily. I mean what, you buy a computer and are never allowed to go outside anymore? Problem is that nerds are blind and rarely put themselves in the mind of the average user. They let their love for their favorite "leet OS" blind them to reality. Also, you're thinking like a tech dude if you don't care about the name or branding. Or maybe you do and just are reaaaaalllly tired of the other stuff. :laugh: But even if peeps instantly regret trying a distro, no average person will take it seriously if it sounds like it's named by a 12-year-old for 12-year-olds. It's just not going to happen. As a side note, Unbuntu is slower than other distros. Especially on older hardware. It's the distro to use if you don't want to actually learn Linux. But it's also slow.
Jeremy Falcon
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If your mother board supports dual GPUs, have you thought of running Windows in a VM? I started doing that a few years ago using KVM/QEMU. I setup GPU passthrough so my Windows games run pretty much full speed.
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Wonder what you'll think when MS finally purchases Canonical.
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PIEbaldConsult said:
Chrome said that it needed an update and then said that if I wanted further updates I'd have to go to Win 11.
That’s really terrible. Time to go to Linux on that piece of h/w. Or,is it a MS Surface or something? I run Ubuntu 22.04 on my main desktop and I remote to work Win10 PCs and everything works great. I have a laptop with Win10 on it and I’m really considering putting Linux on it too if MS keeps on pushing like this. there are only two apps that I need on Win10: 1. Atmel Studio - seems to only run on windows via Visual Studio 2. Steam - I have some windows games i would lose I guess that’s it.
raddevus wrote:
2. Steam - I have some windows games i would lose I guess
I've found that Linux steam support is pretty good these days. Most games are at least playable, unless they are really new. Sometimes there is a little futzing about, but usually nothing too dramatic.
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Wish I knew a foolproof way to stop updates on Win10 Home. I've disabled/deleted Win Update service eventually, but nope, it's reinstated itself. I've turned off every single thing I can find relating to updates and although it usually warns me and allows me to defer them (apparently repeatedly and therefore forever) occasionally it will just do it's thing regardless; and certainly after almost every reboot (which is very infrequent) it will apply updates even if I told it to postpone. In doing so it's lost my all-in-one printer drivers (I can now use a generic driver to print but can no longer scan); it's lost all my Chrome cookies several times; it's reset screen resolutions; it's changed colour schemes; and various other things. Just sick of it all.
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