Pushing the laptop performance envelope
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I looked up the specs on the CPU & GPU: Intel Core i9 13900HX - Max Turbo Power: 157W RTX 4090 Laptop GPU - Board Power: (up to) 150W That's a lot of heat to dissipate! :omg:
As far as I'm aware of, the whole RTX 4xxx line has (had?) thermal issues--or at least it did upon initial release...even in desktops with plenty of room for air to flow. I can't say I'm terribly surprised hearing about this with such a beast sitting in a laptop.
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Better idea is to send it back to Lenovo and get your money back. Then go buy a Dell or Surface Laptop.
Nah. Dell's don't rate very well in this tier, and surface laptops are glorified tablets. I don't want something that will make me miss my desktop while I'm out.
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As far as I'm aware of, the whole RTX 4xxx line has (had?) thermal issues--or at least it did upon initial release...even in desktops with plenty of room for air to flow. I can't say I'm terribly surprised hearing about this with such a beast sitting in a laptop.
The 4090m uses far less watts than the desktop 4090 despite having the same basic architecture. It benches right between a 3090 and 3090 TI desktop at about half the wattage. And yeah, these cards can have thermal issues. My 4080 desktop has been cool as a cucumber - most I've ever hit it was at 67C when I forgot to turn my chassis fans up. Much cooler than my 2080TI. The issue I've heard with the 4080/4090s is their RAM runs hot, and could use some thermal pads, plus some bad pads/adhesion from the factory on the core components. I'm hoping to just shore up the GPU in this chassis with some additional thermal management.
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Better idea is to send it back to Lenovo and get your money back. Then go buy a Dell or Surface Laptop.
Had both. Two Dells and three Surfaces (one personal and two company issued). Dells are solid, well build machines. MS Surface is a complete poop. Unusable, goofy, fragile and expensive marketing driven nonsense.
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If a professional does it they are liable for mishaps. If you do it you're responsible.
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Mike Hankey wrote:
If a professional does it they are liable for mishaps
That may also void any manufacturer warranty if the work done is obvious.
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Mike Hankey wrote:
If a professional does it they are liable for mishaps
That may also void any manufacturer warranty if the work done is obvious.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
Might be anyone doing repair would void warranty, but at least if a pro does it they will back it.
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Might be anyone doing repair would void warranty, but at least if a pro does it they will back it.
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Mike Hankey wrote:
if a pro does it they will back it.
That's true, but I was thinking if anything else goes south you might be stuck with a hefty repair bill.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Mike Hankey wrote:
if a pro does it they will back it.
That's true, but I was thinking if anything else goes south you might be stuck with a hefty repair bill.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
No if they are professionals, you go in negotiate a price and that's it. It's a brand new unit nothing else should go wrong, unless they cause it.
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I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m It is a beast. However, it craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting. This thing gets hot. Putting it on a laptop cooler tray is basically necessary for gaming. My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes Ain't technology grand? We're down to 5nm lithography and PC thermal situation has only gotten worse despite that. Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
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I would recommend taking a look at the Windows advanced power settings for Processor power management. I throttled mine to avoid the fans blazing when playing games :-\
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I would recommend taking a look at the Windows advanced power settings for Processor power management. I throttled mine to avoid the fans blazing when playing games :-\
Windows power settings can't deal with the extra power options for my GPU(s). I have onboard and discrete both. My lappy switches between them to save power. Unfortunately, this means some programs wind up using the wrong one. Like I had a benchmark program that insisted on doing its 3d benchmarking on my onboard graphics. You can change from automatic to discrete in BIOS or through a utility that ships with the laptop. My CPU is actually relatively cool, and under normal workloads my laptop isn't that noisy. Gaming of course, is one area where the fans really kick on. And that's where the discrete GPU is necessary. Unfortunately, my discrete GPU seems to be thermally throttling itself more than it should have to, meaning the cooling situation probably isn't altogether ideal.
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No if they are professionals, you go in negotiate a price and that's it. It's a brand new unit nothing else should go wrong, unless they cause it.
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Mike Hankey wrote:
It's a brand new unit nothing else should go wrong
'Should' being the operative word, sometimes things happen.
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Had both. Two Dells and three Surfaces (one personal and two company issued). Dells are solid, well build machines. MS Surface is a complete poop. Unusable, goofy, fragile and expensive marketing driven nonsense.
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I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m It is a beast. However, it craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting. This thing gets hot. Putting it on a laptop cooler tray is basically necessary for gaming. My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes Ain't technology grand? We're down to 5nm lithography and PC thermal situation has only gotten worse despite that. Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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honey the codewitch wrote:
We're down to 5nm lithography and PC thermal situation has only gotten worse despite that.
Physics always stops the fun. If it wasn't for physics we could start building the Starship Enterprise now.
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I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m It is a beast. However, it craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting. This thing gets hot. Putting it on a laptop cooler tray is basically necessary for gaming. My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes Ain't technology grand? We're down to 5nm lithography and PC thermal situation has only gotten worse despite that. Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes
Applying expensive thermal paste may not be the best way to go. Chances are that the thermal paste currently applied is good enough and changing it may make minor differences but nothing significant. Most heat dissipation issues are usually caused by the lack of airflow. Maybe the fans aren't running at full throttle, or the fan blades are not big enough which common in laptops. Or maybe the laptop's design hinders the airflow. If it were up to me, I'd rely on experts to do the job. Sadly there aren't many. Could also consider returning if the issues can't be fixed permanently.
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I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m It is a beast. However, it craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting. This thing gets hot. Putting it on a laptop cooler tray is basically necessary for gaming. My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes Ain't technology grand? We're down to 5nm lithography and PC thermal situation has only gotten worse despite that. Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
honey the codewitch wrote:
I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m
well, with so many posts informing us of that, my envy is less green :)
honey the codewitch wrote:
craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting.
what did you expect with such power usage in a small space ? surely Lenovo, or reviews on the web, warned about this ?
honey the codewitch wrote:
My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade ... maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes. ... Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
if you got the money, and the patience, and the time, great :omg: imho, you have created a Golem [^] that is already taking on a "life" of its own :)
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honey the codewitch wrote:
I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m
well, with so many posts informing us of that, my envy is less green :)
honey the codewitch wrote:
craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting.
what did you expect with such power usage in a small space ? surely Lenovo, or reviews on the web, warned about this ?
honey the codewitch wrote:
My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade ... maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes. ... Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
if you got the money, and the patience, and the time, great :omg: imho, you have created a Golem [^] that is already taking on a "life" of its own :)
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BillWoodruff wrote:
what did you expect with such power usage in a small space ?
I expect my machine to behave like a new Lenovo Legion 7i 16" 4090. It does not. It lacks the thermal characteristics of one of those machines, despite my machine supposedly also being one. Ergo, it's probably getting returned for repair.
BillWoodruff wrote:
surely Lenovo, or reviews on the web, warned about this ?
Also, no their reviews don't warn that you might get a lemon.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes
Applying expensive thermal paste may not be the best way to go. Chances are that the thermal paste currently applied is good enough and changing it may make minor differences but nothing significant. Most heat dissipation issues are usually caused by the lack of airflow. Maybe the fans aren't running at full throttle, or the fan blades are not big enough which common in laptops. Or maybe the laptop's design hinders the airflow. If it were up to me, I'd rely on experts to do the job. Sadly there aren't many. Could also consider returning if the issues can't be fixed permanently.
Not paste. Pads and copper sheets. If they didn't work, then they wouldn't put them on NVMes to keep them from melting. If it didn't work they wouldn't put them on the laptop internals in the first place. It it didn't work, I'd have no shoddy workmanship in the laptop to go redo in the first place.
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BillWoodruff wrote:
what did you expect with such power usage in a small space ?
I expect my machine to behave like a new Lenovo Legion 7i 16" 4090. It does not. It lacks the thermal characteristics of one of those machines, despite my machine supposedly also being one. Ergo, it's probably getting returned for repair.
BillWoodruff wrote:
surely Lenovo, or reviews on the web, warned about this ?
Also, no their reviews don't warn that you might get a lemon.
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Hi, i did not mean to imply you had not done "due diligence" before the purchase. Many years ago, i got burned several times because my compulsion/lust to have the latest ooh-shiny hardware led to my being an early adopter/customer ... and then ... when the warts and all were revealed ... lots of lost time. Now, i am a cautious miser who will wait until a product has been on the market as long as it takes to see actual purchasers' reviews/ratings ... to spot potential lemons, or customer support problems.. cheers, bill p.s. i still "get off" reading the hyped-up announcements of new wonders by the ooh-shiny- addicted flacks at popular review websites.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Hi, i did not mean to imply you had not done "due diligence" before the purchase. Many years ago, i got burned several times because my compulsion/lust to have the latest ooh-shiny hardware led to my being an early adopter/customer ... and then ... when the warts and all were revealed ... lots of lost time. Now, i am a cautious miser who will wait until a product has been on the market as long as it takes to see actual purchasers' reviews/ratings ... to spot potential lemons, or customer support problems.. cheers, bill p.s. i still "get off" reading the hyped-up announcements of new wonders by the ooh-shiny- addicted flacks at popular review websites.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
I'm usually that way as well, but to the point of strong preference rather than vow, in terms of using stuff that's been battletested. This purchase didn't leave me a lot of options given what I wanted. I needed a machine that could do two things: 1. Sit on my desk and be my linux slave, running a bunch of grotty command line linux tools whose documentation is in chinese 2. Easily travel with me to my sister's house, wherein I can use it to game with her while I'm there - a longstanding request I will not deny my baby* sister, whom I adore. * I have two younger sisters - this one is 14 years my junior and will consequently grow old and die with the moniker "baby sister" if I have any say in the matter. :laugh:
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