Pushing the laptop performance envelope
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I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m It is a beast. However, it craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting. This thing gets hot. Putting it on a laptop cooler tray is basically necessary for gaming. My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes Ain't technology grand? We're down to 5nm lithography and PC thermal situation has only gotten worse despite that. Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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honey the codewitch wrote:
We're down to 5nm lithography and PC thermal situation has only gotten worse despite that.
Physics always stops the fun. If it wasn't for physics we could start building the Starship Enterprise now.
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I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m It is a beast. However, it craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting. This thing gets hot. Putting it on a laptop cooler tray is basically necessary for gaming. My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes Ain't technology grand? We're down to 5nm lithography and PC thermal situation has only gotten worse despite that. Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
honey the codewitch wrote:
My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes
Applying expensive thermal paste may not be the best way to go. Chances are that the thermal paste currently applied is good enough and changing it may make minor differences but nothing significant. Most heat dissipation issues are usually caused by the lack of airflow. Maybe the fans aren't running at full throttle, or the fan blades are not big enough which common in laptops. Or maybe the laptop's design hinders the airflow. If it were up to me, I'd rely on experts to do the job. Sadly there aren't many. Could also consider returning if the issues can't be fixed permanently.
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I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m It is a beast. However, it craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting. This thing gets hot. Putting it on a laptop cooler tray is basically necessary for gaming. My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes Ain't technology grand? We're down to 5nm lithography and PC thermal situation has only gotten worse despite that. Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
honey the codewitch wrote:
I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m
well, with so many posts informing us of that, my envy is less green :)
honey the codewitch wrote:
craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting.
what did you expect with such power usage in a small space ? surely Lenovo, or reviews on the web, warned about this ?
honey the codewitch wrote:
My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade ... maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes. ... Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
if you got the money, and the patience, and the time, great :omg: imho, you have created a Golem [^] that is already taking on a "life" of its own :)
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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honey the codewitch wrote:
I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m
well, with so many posts informing us of that, my envy is less green :)
honey the codewitch wrote:
craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting.
what did you expect with such power usage in a small space ? surely Lenovo, or reviews on the web, warned about this ?
honey the codewitch wrote:
My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade ... maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes. ... Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
if you got the money, and the patience, and the time, great :omg: imho, you have created a Golem [^] that is already taking on a "life" of its own :)
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
BillWoodruff wrote:
what did you expect with such power usage in a small space ?
I expect my machine to behave like a new Lenovo Legion 7i 16" 4090. It does not. It lacks the thermal characteristics of one of those machines, despite my machine supposedly also being one. Ergo, it's probably getting returned for repair.
BillWoodruff wrote:
surely Lenovo, or reviews on the web, warned about this ?
Also, no their reviews don't warn that you might get a lemon.
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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honey the codewitch wrote:
My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes
Applying expensive thermal paste may not be the best way to go. Chances are that the thermal paste currently applied is good enough and changing it may make minor differences but nothing significant. Most heat dissipation issues are usually caused by the lack of airflow. Maybe the fans aren't running at full throttle, or the fan blades are not big enough which common in laptops. Or maybe the laptop's design hinders the airflow. If it were up to me, I'd rely on experts to do the job. Sadly there aren't many. Could also consider returning if the issues can't be fixed permanently.
Not paste. Pads and copper sheets. If they didn't work, then they wouldn't put them on NVMes to keep them from melting. If it didn't work they wouldn't put them on the laptop internals in the first place. It it didn't work, I'd have no shoddy workmanship in the laptop to go redo in the first place.
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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BillWoodruff wrote:
what did you expect with such power usage in a small space ?
I expect my machine to behave like a new Lenovo Legion 7i 16" 4090. It does not. It lacks the thermal characteristics of one of those machines, despite my machine supposedly also being one. Ergo, it's probably getting returned for repair.
BillWoodruff wrote:
surely Lenovo, or reviews on the web, warned about this ?
Also, no their reviews don't warn that you might get a lemon.
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
Hi, i did not mean to imply you had not done "due diligence" before the purchase. Many years ago, i got burned several times because my compulsion/lust to have the latest ooh-shiny hardware led to my being an early adopter/customer ... and then ... when the warts and all were revealed ... lots of lost time. Now, i am a cautious miser who will wait until a product has been on the market as long as it takes to see actual purchasers' reviews/ratings ... to spot potential lemons, or customer support problems.. cheers, bill p.s. i still "get off" reading the hyped-up announcements of new wonders by the ooh-shiny- addicted flacks at popular review websites.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Hi, i did not mean to imply you had not done "due diligence" before the purchase. Many years ago, i got burned several times because my compulsion/lust to have the latest ooh-shiny hardware led to my being an early adopter/customer ... and then ... when the warts and all were revealed ... lots of lost time. Now, i am a cautious miser who will wait until a product has been on the market as long as it takes to see actual purchasers' reviews/ratings ... to spot potential lemons, or customer support problems.. cheers, bill p.s. i still "get off" reading the hyped-up announcements of new wonders by the ooh-shiny- addicted flacks at popular review websites.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
I'm usually that way as well, but to the point of strong preference rather than vow, in terms of using stuff that's been battletested. This purchase didn't leave me a lot of options given what I wanted. I needed a machine that could do two things: 1. Sit on my desk and be my linux slave, running a bunch of grotty command line linux tools whose documentation is in chinese 2. Easily travel with me to my sister's house, wherein I can use it to game with her while I'm there - a longstanding request I will not deny my baby* sister, whom I adore. * I have two younger sisters - this one is 14 years my junior and will consequently grow old and die with the moniker "baby sister" if I have any say in the matter. :laugh:
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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I just got a Lenovo Legion 7i with an i9-13900HX and an RTX 4090m It is a beast. However, it craps out even on older games like Fallout 4 due to thermal limiting. This thing gets hot. Putting it on a laptop cooler tray is basically necessary for gaming. My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes Ain't technology grand? We're down to 5nm lithography and PC thermal situation has only gotten worse despite that. Now I'm not sure if I want to gut this expensive new machine myself or make Geeksquad do it.
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
Send it back now before it's too late. New laptops often fail. Just buy a tower and build it yourself.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
My plan is to rip it apart, and upgrade all the thermal solutions inside with the best money can buy, and maybe add more on the GPU and NVMes
Applying expensive thermal paste may not be the best way to go. Chances are that the thermal paste currently applied is good enough and changing it may make minor differences but nothing significant. Most heat dissipation issues are usually caused by the lack of airflow. Maybe the fans aren't running at full throttle, or the fan blades are not big enough which common in laptops. Or maybe the laptop's design hinders the airflow. If it were up to me, I'd rely on experts to do the job. Sadly there aren't many. Could also consider returning if the issues can't be fixed permanently.
the result is usually called a desktop
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Send it back now before it's too late. New laptops often fail. Just buy a tower and build it yourself.
No. And I fixed it. I already built a machine, and I don't like towers because hot mobos should not be mounted vertically.
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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Had both. Two Dells and three Surfaces (one personal and two company issued). Dells are solid, well build machines. MS Surface is a complete poop. Unusable, goofy, fragile and expensive marketing driven nonsense.
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I like my Surface.
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
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I'm thinking that too, the more I stew on it.
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
Friends don't let friends do GeekSquad ... The employees are not all clueless, but IME far too many are. Good luck.
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Friends don't let friends do GeekSquad ... The employees are not all clueless, but IME far too many are. Good luck.
It's pretty much my only option in the region, short of driving 60 miles to a lenovo authorized laptop clinic. I figure how hard can it be to replace a drive? Any idiot can do it, I just don't want to be holding the bag if something goes wrong. That's why I want someone else to do it. However, it has since occurred to me that I could just purchase a 2 year plan with accidental damage coverage and onsite service for $108 USD - a paltry sum for that sort of peace of mind. So now I'll just replace the drive myself. :)
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
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Had both. Two Dells and three Surfaces (one personal and two company issued). Dells are solid, well build machines. MS Surface is a complete poop. Unusable, goofy, fragile and expensive marketing driven nonsense.
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We've had several Surface devices in our family - used for college and homework. Family loved them. My 1st generation Surface Book is still going strong - was a Christmas present in 2016 (mine is the updated one with Nvidia GPU built into the keyboard).
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It's pretty much my only option in the region, short of driving 60 miles to a lenovo authorized laptop clinic. I figure how hard can it be to replace a drive? Any idiot can do it, I just don't want to be holding the bag if something goes wrong. That's why I want someone else to do it. However, it has since occurred to me that I could just purchase a 2 year plan with accidental damage coverage and onsite service for $108 USD - a paltry sum for that sort of peace of mind. So now I'll just replace the drive myself. :)
There's smoke in my iris But I painted a sunny day on the insides of my eyelids So I'm ready now (What you ready for?) I'm ready for life in this city And my wings have grown almost enough to lift me
That makes perfect sense.