An Account of Stupidity
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i obtained a new computer today . a Windows laptop . start up required some sort of "Account" registration procedure which requested an e-mail address . so i provided same . it then requested a password for said e-mail address. so i provided the password to the e-mail address account . it refused to accept it . i was afraid the laptop would become a door stop . only several hours later did it occur to me the "Account" to which it referred was my Microsoft Account not the e-mail account . that password worked Bingo Presto . what a relief . what a sigh of consternation the UI designers at Dell or Microsoft or whoever wrote the registration UI did not think to present instructions my grand-mother would understand . "Please enter password to Microsoft Account associated w/ e-mail address ..." instead of "Please enter password of e-mail address ..." amazing . this is 2023 last i checked . UI should be well understood by now . it just now occurred to me not even Microsoft would request password to an e-mail account . boy am i stupid . the laptop confused me . i felt out of place w/ it as i only feel comfortable w/ a desktop . i do not believe i would make such a mistake otherwise .
What is fascinating, that you didn't even stopped to think - why on earth I need to provide ANY personal information to install an OS!?!?
"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg
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What is fascinating, that you didn't even stopped to think - why on earth I need to provide ANY personal information to install an OS!?!?
"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg
as stated i only feel as myself w/ desktops . i am easily intimidated otherwise . we all know how insistent software is . it can not be reasoned with . it insisted on account information . i stupidly obliged . also i was confused as result of recent gmail access permission granted to Microsoft OS .
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i obtained a new computer today . a Windows laptop . start up required some sort of "Account" registration procedure which requested an e-mail address . so i provided same . it then requested a password for said e-mail address. so i provided the password to the e-mail address account . it refused to accept it . i was afraid the laptop would become a door stop . only several hours later did it occur to me the "Account" to which it referred was my Microsoft Account not the e-mail account . that password worked Bingo Presto . what a relief . what a sigh of consternation the UI designers at Dell or Microsoft or whoever wrote the registration UI did not think to present instructions my grand-mother would understand . "Please enter password to Microsoft Account associated w/ e-mail address ..." instead of "Please enter password of e-mail address ..." amazing . this is 2023 last i checked . UI should be well understood by now . it just now occurred to me not even Microsoft would request password to an e-mail account . boy am i stupid . the laptop confused me . i felt out of place w/ it as i only feel comfortable w/ a desktop . i do not believe i would make such a mistake otherwise .
Ugh, tried to install a new business laptop for someone else recently. Except that Microsoft requires you to use your personal Outlook account (it was Windows Home, upgraded to pro after I got it installed) X| Had to go to the internet and find some weird key combination that unlocks a console that needed some obscure command to restart without internet and without an Outlook account X| :elephant: you Microsoft! :mad:
BernardIE5317 wrote:
i felt out of place w/ it as i only feel comfortable w/ a desktop
Aside from size, what's the difference? :confused:
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Ugh, tried to install a new business laptop for someone else recently. Except that Microsoft requires you to use your personal Outlook account (it was Windows Home, upgraded to pro after I got it installed) X| Had to go to the internet and find some weird key combination that unlocks a console that needed some obscure command to restart without internet and without an Outlook account X| :elephant: you Microsoft! :mad:
BernardIE5317 wrote:
i felt out of place w/ it as i only feel comfortable w/ a desktop
Aside from size, what's the difference? :confused:
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well i don't recall having to go through the Account registration process on this desktop which was obtained not long ago . as stated i am easily intimidated perhaps because i am not a proper Software Engineer merely a pretender . also as stated perhaps i was confused from recent access permissions given . of course access to some data such as "Contacts" is of course not the same as total control provided by access to passwords . so stupid me . i can't blame Covid for the error as i have been fortunate in that regard . perhaps i was distracted by the calculation of axion formation probability in vicinity of black hole event horizons . so stupid me .
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i obtained a new computer today . a Windows laptop . start up required some sort of "Account" registration procedure which requested an e-mail address . so i provided same . it then requested a password for said e-mail address. so i provided the password to the e-mail address account . it refused to accept it . i was afraid the laptop would become a door stop . only several hours later did it occur to me the "Account" to which it referred was my Microsoft Account not the e-mail account . that password worked Bingo Presto . what a relief . what a sigh of consternation the UI designers at Dell or Microsoft or whoever wrote the registration UI did not think to present instructions my grand-mother would understand . "Please enter password to Microsoft Account associated w/ e-mail address ..." instead of "Please enter password of e-mail address ..." amazing . this is 2023 last i checked . UI should be well understood by now . it just now occurred to me not even Microsoft would request password to an e-mail account . boy am i stupid . the laptop confused me . i felt out of place w/ it as i only feel comfortable w/ a desktop . i do not believe i would make such a mistake otherwise .
IIRC: Every time I have installed Windows and it asked for my microsoft account sign in, I could: A. Tell it I was joining a Domain (may not work for Home edition) B. Disconnect from Internet. That way, I could just create the local user account. Why did I really want a Microsoft account? Not sure.. marketing ads?
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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i obtained a new computer today . a Windows laptop . start up required some sort of "Account" registration procedure which requested an e-mail address . so i provided same . it then requested a password for said e-mail address. so i provided the password to the e-mail address account . it refused to accept it . i was afraid the laptop would become a door stop . only several hours later did it occur to me the "Account" to which it referred was my Microsoft Account not the e-mail account . that password worked Bingo Presto . what a relief . what a sigh of consternation the UI designers at Dell or Microsoft or whoever wrote the registration UI did not think to present instructions my grand-mother would understand . "Please enter password to Microsoft Account associated w/ e-mail address ..." instead of "Please enter password of e-mail address ..." amazing . this is 2023 last i checked . UI should be well understood by now . it just now occurred to me not even Microsoft would request password to an e-mail account . boy am i stupid . the laptop confused me . i felt out of place w/ it as i only feel comfortable w/ a desktop . i do not believe i would make such a mistake otherwise .
I use my Microsoft account predominantly for Skype. Have about 15 hours of Skype calls per week, and Skype also offers the facility to record calls, all for free, with this Microsoft account. Very convenient. Have been using Skype since 2019 for these calls.
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i obtained a new computer today . a Windows laptop . start up required some sort of "Account" registration procedure which requested an e-mail address . so i provided same . it then requested a password for said e-mail address. so i provided the password to the e-mail address account . it refused to accept it . i was afraid the laptop would become a door stop . only several hours later did it occur to me the "Account" to which it referred was my Microsoft Account not the e-mail account . that password worked Bingo Presto . what a relief . what a sigh of consternation the UI designers at Dell or Microsoft or whoever wrote the registration UI did not think to present instructions my grand-mother would understand . "Please enter password to Microsoft Account associated w/ e-mail address ..." instead of "Please enter password of e-mail address ..." amazing . this is 2023 last i checked . UI should be well understood by now . it just now occurred to me not even Microsoft would request password to an e-mail account . boy am i stupid . the laptop confused me . i felt out of place w/ it as i only feel comfortable w/ a desktop . i do not believe i would make such a mistake otherwise .
Good UI design shouldn't be verbose, but it also shouldn't be ambiguous. I don't think it's just you btw. I seems to be the quality of a lot of things are dropping these days. We're all (as humanity) focused on the wrong things - most of which are artificially created worries.
Jeremy Falcon
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IIRC: Every time I have installed Windows and it asked for my microsoft account sign in, I could: A. Tell it I was joining a Domain (may not work for Home edition) B. Disconnect from Internet. That way, I could just create the local user account. Why did I really want a Microsoft account? Not sure.. marketing ads?
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
theoldfool wrote:
Why did I really want a Microsoft account? Not sure.. marketing ads?
It's the same reason there's more default third part apps by default now. MS caught on the fact that your data is more valuable than a license fee. Congrats, you're now the product.
Jeremy Falcon
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What is fascinating, that you didn't even stopped to think - why on earth I need to provide ANY personal information to install an OS!?!?
"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
why on earth I need to provide ANY personal information to install an OS!?!?
People do exactly that with their Android phones (probably iPhones too, I just never set one up from scratch). Maybe they don't get to install their own OS, but strictly speaking, you could argue it's the last step of the OS setup -- the first thing you're asked for when getting a new phone is your credentials, which Android then uses to resync whatever your previous phone had uploaded. People aren't getting up in arms about that, and in fact have grown to expect it. Yet Windows does it? That's just unacceptable. I'm not defending them; just saying they follow the trend established elsewhere. Personally, when installing Windows these days, I make sure I don't provide the device with any sort of connectivity, so I get to create a local account (or preferably, use my home domain credentials when it's for myself). Of course they make it hard for users to realize that's an option.
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i obtained a new computer today . a Windows laptop . start up required some sort of "Account" registration procedure which requested an e-mail address . so i provided same . it then requested a password for said e-mail address. so i provided the password to the e-mail address account . it refused to accept it . i was afraid the laptop would become a door stop . only several hours later did it occur to me the "Account" to which it referred was my Microsoft Account not the e-mail account . that password worked Bingo Presto . what a relief . what a sigh of consternation the UI designers at Dell or Microsoft or whoever wrote the registration UI did not think to present instructions my grand-mother would understand . "Please enter password to Microsoft Account associated w/ e-mail address ..." instead of "Please enter password of e-mail address ..." amazing . this is 2023 last i checked . UI should be well understood by now . it just now occurred to me not even Microsoft would request password to an e-mail account . boy am i stupid . the laptop confused me . i felt out of place w/ it as i only feel comfortable w/ a desktop . i do not believe i would make such a mistake otherwise .
There's a reason I tell people to avoid Windows Home editions and spend the extra money on Windows Professional. Not only do you get BitLocker to help in protecting your financial data, which I guarantee is on your computer but you also get the ability to use a completely local account.
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IIRC: Every time I have installed Windows and it asked for my microsoft account sign in, I could: A. Tell it I was joining a Domain (may not work for Home edition) B. Disconnect from Internet. That way, I could just create the local user account. Why did I really want a Microsoft account? Not sure.. marketing ads?
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
theoldfool wrote:
A. Tell it I was joining a Domain (may not work for Home edition)
Correct, does not work for Home.
theoldfool wrote:
B. Disconnect from Internet.
They removed this option. It's now mandatory to sign in with a hotmail, live or outlook account. Unless, of course, you know you have to press shift + F10 on the country screen. This will open up a command prompt where you have to type OOBE\BYPASSNRO. The computer will now restart and a button "I don't have internet" will now magically appear. You literally can't install a computer without internet and a pre-existing account unless you've got those steps summarized somehow. You can't come up with this stuff X|
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i obtained a new computer today . a Windows laptop . start up required some sort of "Account" registration procedure which requested an e-mail address . so i provided same . it then requested a password for said e-mail address. so i provided the password to the e-mail address account . it refused to accept it . i was afraid the laptop would become a door stop . only several hours later did it occur to me the "Account" to which it referred was my Microsoft Account not the e-mail account . that password worked Bingo Presto . what a relief . what a sigh of consternation the UI designers at Dell or Microsoft or whoever wrote the registration UI did not think to present instructions my grand-mother would understand . "Please enter password to Microsoft Account associated w/ e-mail address ..." instead of "Please enter password of e-mail address ..." amazing . this is 2023 last i checked . UI should be well understood by now . it just now occurred to me not even Microsoft would request password to an e-mail account . boy am i stupid . the laptop confused me . i felt out of place w/ it as i only feel comfortable w/ a desktop . i do not believe i would make such a mistake otherwise .
Just short from asking for your blood group, grandmothers favorite food, dog's name and the neighbor's address. Maybe in the future ChatGPT will analyze your DNA to check what ads can be added to your account. ;)
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i obtained a new computer today . a Windows laptop . start up required some sort of "Account" registration procedure which requested an e-mail address . so i provided same . it then requested a password for said e-mail address. so i provided the password to the e-mail address account . it refused to accept it . i was afraid the laptop would become a door stop . only several hours later did it occur to me the "Account" to which it referred was my Microsoft Account not the e-mail account . that password worked Bingo Presto . what a relief . what a sigh of consternation the UI designers at Dell or Microsoft or whoever wrote the registration UI did not think to present instructions my grand-mother would understand . "Please enter password to Microsoft Account associated w/ e-mail address ..." instead of "Please enter password of e-mail address ..." amazing . this is 2023 last i checked . UI should be well understood by now . it just now occurred to me not even Microsoft would request password to an e-mail account . boy am i stupid . the laptop confused me . i felt out of place w/ it as i only feel comfortable w/ a desktop . i do not believe i would make such a mistake otherwise .
Yeah, it's really annoying Microsoft is forcing you to create account with them that you practically will use only once! Some days I'm amused Microsoft is still in the business (not complaining, I'm doing my living with their products, just mildly amused.)
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:
why on earth I need to provide ANY personal information to install an OS!?!?
People do exactly that with their Android phones (probably iPhones too, I just never set one up from scratch). Maybe they don't get to install their own OS, but strictly speaking, you could argue it's the last step of the OS setup -- the first thing you're asked for when getting a new phone is your credentials, which Android then uses to resync whatever your previous phone had uploaded. People aren't getting up in arms about that, and in fact have grown to expect it. Yet Windows does it? That's just unacceptable. I'm not defending them; just saying they follow the trend established elsewhere. Personally, when installing Windows these days, I make sure I don't provide the device with any sort of connectivity, so I get to create a local account (or preferably, use my home domain credentials when it's for myself). Of course they make it hard for users to realize that's an option.
dandy72 wrote:
Of course they make it hard for users to realize that's an option.
I didn't set up a phone in a while, but did removed from existing phone the attached account without any problem. Try that with a w11... And of course the ugliest part, that they let believe avarage user, that without online account the OS will not function properly... It is very similar to the hardware demands of w11, that are a kind of big-brother attitude...
"If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker that came along would destroy civilization." ― Gerald Weinberg
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i obtained a new computer today . a Windows laptop . start up required some sort of "Account" registration procedure which requested an e-mail address . so i provided same . it then requested a password for said e-mail address. so i provided the password to the e-mail address account . it refused to accept it . i was afraid the laptop would become a door stop . only several hours later did it occur to me the "Account" to which it referred was my Microsoft Account not the e-mail account . that password worked Bingo Presto . what a relief . what a sigh of consternation the UI designers at Dell or Microsoft or whoever wrote the registration UI did not think to present instructions my grand-mother would understand . "Please enter password to Microsoft Account associated w/ e-mail address ..." instead of "Please enter password of e-mail address ..." amazing . this is 2023 last i checked . UI should be well understood by now . it just now occurred to me not even Microsoft would request password to an e-mail account . boy am i stupid . the laptop confused me . i felt out of place w/ it as i only feel comfortable w/ a desktop . i do not believe i would make such a mistake otherwise .
I've had my MS account for a while (made it back in the live.com era), and it's mostly used for my Minecraft account. I also have a GMail account I use for various sites to avoid spam. Anything I end up needing gets forwarded to my live.com email.
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theoldfool wrote:
A. Tell it I was joining a Domain (may not work for Home edition)
Correct, does not work for Home.
theoldfool wrote:
B. Disconnect from Internet.
They removed this option. It's now mandatory to sign in with a hotmail, live or outlook account. Unless, of course, you know you have to press shift + F10 on the country screen. This will open up a command prompt where you have to type OOBE\BYPASSNRO. The computer will now restart and a button "I don't have internet" will now magically appear. You literally can't install a computer without internet and a pre-existing account unless you've got those steps summarized somehow. You can't come up with this stuff X|
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You literally can't install a windows computer without internet and a pre-existing account unless you've got those steps summarized somehow.
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You literally can't install a windows computer without internet and a pre-existing account unless you've got those steps summarized somehow.
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This isn't accurate for the current version of Window 10 Pro. I believe MS toyed with this in the past and finally stopped it. With Windows 10 Pro you can tell it you're joining a LOCAL AD domain. The other tricky thing, and probably what is leading to the understanding that an account is required, is that Windows will have you connect to wifi right away or use your network connection. DO NOT setup your wifi connection until AFTER you can see the Windows desktop, and make sure your internet connection is disconnected BEFORE starting the setup process. Once Windows realizes it can phone home the Local AD domain is the only way out, which of course, only works on Windows Pro.
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theoldfool wrote:
A. Tell it I was joining a Domain (may not work for Home edition)
Correct, does not work for Home.
theoldfool wrote:
B. Disconnect from Internet.
They removed this option. It's now mandatory to sign in with a hotmail, live or outlook account. Unless, of course, you know you have to press shift + F10 on the country screen. This will open up a command prompt where you have to type OOBE\BYPASSNRO. The computer will now restart and a button "I don't have internet" will now magically appear. You literally can't install a computer without internet and a pre-existing account unless you've got those steps summarized somehow. You can't come up with this stuff X|
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I set up new laptops all the time in my position as an IT Manager. I always use the "Limited Experience" (offline account) option and have never had to use an email account, not even once. I set up a new one as recently as 3 weeks ago. One other hack to avoid setting up the secret questions and answers to your computer user accounts - initially create them without a password, then go back and create a password later after your initial startup configuration. We only use Windows Pro editions (Win 10, but starting to transition to Win 11). Works great for me and I've never had to do anything with an email account at all.
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You literally can't install a windows computer without internet and a pre-existing account unless you've got those steps summarized somehow.
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A Windows Home computer, if you want to be exact :D
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I set up new laptops all the time in my position as an IT Manager. I always use the "Limited Experience" (offline account) option and have never had to use an email account, not even once. I set up a new one as recently as 3 weeks ago. One other hack to avoid setting up the secret questions and answers to your computer user accounts - initially create them without a password, then go back and create a password later after your initial startup configuration. We only use Windows Pro editions (Win 10, but starting to transition to Win 11). Works great for me and I've never had to do anything with an email account at all.
Yeah, it's Windows Home only.
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