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    Wagner chief vows to topple Russian military leaders[^] Apparently, Wagner has already started shooting down Russian helicopters. This is going to get messy. Here's hoping our Russian members can stay safe regardless of the outcome.

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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      Wagner chief vows to topple Russian military leaders[^] Apparently, Wagner has already started shooting down Russian helicopters. This is going to get messy. Here's hoping our Russian members can stay safe regardless of the outcome.

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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      Lost User
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      Whatever the final outcome we know who is going to suffer most. The only positive at the moment is that it may stop or slow the attacks on Ukraine.

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        Wagner chief vows to topple Russian military leaders[^] Apparently, Wagner has already started shooting down Russian helicopters. This is going to get messy. Here's hoping our Russian members can stay safe regardless of the outcome.

        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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        Lost User
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        That, or as the chef said: "The Special Operation was built on lies". i.e. Putin now has an "out": he was lied to. Only time will tell if Putin "gets it".

        "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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          That, or as the chef said: "The Special Operation was built on lies". i.e. Putin now has an "out": he was lied to. Only time will tell if Putin "gets it".

          "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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          Richard Andrew x64
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          Putin has certainly taken a baseball bat to the hornet's nest.

          The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            Wagner chief vows to topple Russian military leaders[^] Apparently, Wagner has already started shooting down Russian helicopters. This is going to get messy. Here's hoping our Russian members can stay safe regardless of the outcome.

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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            Marc Clifton
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            Keep in mind how the media loves a story like this and most likely inflames it for their own readership / subscription / advertisement agendas, and Putin most likely does the same for similar, though metaphorical, agendas. Not to mention Wagner himself. My 2c. ;P

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              Keep in mind how the media loves a story like this and most likely inflames it for their own readership / subscription / advertisement agendas, and Putin most likely does the same for similar, though metaphorical, agendas. Not to mention Wagner himself. My 2c. ;P

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              theoldfool
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              Inflame? Shirley you jest!!! :)

              >64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.

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                Keep in mind how the media loves a story like this and most likely inflames it for their own readership / subscription / advertisement agendas, and Putin most likely does the same for similar, though metaphorical, agendas. Not to mention Wagner himself. My 2c. ;P

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                I dunno - Putin is between a rock and a hard place here: if he doesn't pull troops out of Ukraine to block Wagner he could lose the Kremlin without a shot being fired (except at him, I suspect). If he does then he loses face (and quite possibly Crimea or even the whole Ukraine war) and risks his troops refusing to be involved as appears to have happened in Rostov. Just like the war itself, I don't see any signs of an exit strategy developing.

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  I dunno - Putin is between a rock and a hard place here: if he doesn't pull troops out of Ukraine to block Wagner he could lose the Kremlin without a shot being fired (except at him, I suspect). If he does then he loses face (and quite possibly Crimea or even the whole Ukraine war) and risks his troops refusing to be involved as appears to have happened in Rostov. Just like the war itself, I don't see any signs of an exit strategy developing.

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  What you describe would serve Putin well, in my opinion.

                  The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                    Wagner chief vows to topple Russian military leaders[^] Apparently, Wagner has already started shooting down Russian helicopters. This is going to get messy. Here's hoping our Russian members can stay safe regardless of the outcome.

                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                    when our opacity is more transparent, and our transparency is more opaque ... are we more, or less, blind ? my heart goes out to the millions who are suffering, and will suffer more, in this geopolitical nightmare driven by the usual suspects: the ambitions and grandiosity of tyrants and autocrats who dream of lost empire, the never-ending saga of the battle to control energy sources, etc. This bonfire of vanities and atrocities fed with the lives of young soldiers, children. :rose:

                    «The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

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                      Wagner chief vows to topple Russian military leaders[^] Apparently, Wagner has already started shooting down Russian helicopters. This is going to get messy. Here's hoping our Russian members can stay safe regardless of the outcome.

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                      If the politicians and generals had to be on the front lines, there would never be another war. :mad:

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                        If the politicians and generals had to be on the front lines, there would never be another war. :mad:

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                        Slow Eddie wrote:

                        If the politicians and generals had to be on the front lines, there would never be another war. :mad:

                        Or their familiars

                        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                          Wagner chief vows to topple Russian military leaders[^] Apparently, Wagner has already started shooting down Russian helicopters. This is going to get messy. Here's hoping our Russian members can stay safe regardless of the outcome.

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                          How long to wait until the Wagner/Putin circus is revealed as an elaborately staged deception designed to hide some military nightmare in the making, to flush out Putin opponents worthy of a free happy-hour novichok cocktail, or assisted out-a-window take off ? An agitprop appetizer for flagging nationalism ? Machiavelli: "Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe. ... The mercenary captains are either capable men or they are not; if they are, you cannot trust them, because they always aspire to their own greatness, either by oppressing you, who are their master, or others contrary to your intentions; but if the captain is not skilful, you are ruined in the usual way." Lots of heavily armed violent jailbirds now happy campers in scenic Belarus, enjoying the nighttime view of Cherenkov neon-blue-glow radiation of recently brought in Russian nuclear weapons ? Chef Prigozhin leaves £38 million in boxes in a van and buses parked near his office ? na zdrovya !

                          «The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

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                            How long to wait until the Wagner/Putin circus is revealed as an elaborately staged deception designed to hide some military nightmare in the making, to flush out Putin opponents worthy of a free happy-hour novichok cocktail, or assisted out-a-window take off ? An agitprop appetizer for flagging nationalism ? Machiavelli: "Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe. ... The mercenary captains are either capable men or they are not; if they are, you cannot trust them, because they always aspire to their own greatness, either by oppressing you, who are their master, or others contrary to your intentions; but if the captain is not skilful, you are ruined in the usual way." Lots of heavily armed violent jailbirds now happy campers in scenic Belarus, enjoying the nighttime view of Cherenkov neon-blue-glow radiation of recently brought in Russian nuclear weapons ? Chef Prigozhin leaves £38 million in boxes in a van and buses parked near his office ? na zdrovya !

                            «The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch

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                            Roger Wright
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                            Surely you're not suggesting that some selective defenestration may be in the offing! Couldn't happen to a more deserving pack of thugs... :-D

                            Will Rogers never met me.

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