My current thoughts on the beneficial use of AI now and going forward
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The two top categories that I feel that AI has the most beneficial use currently and in the future for the human species is: Medical (diagnosis and optimal procedure recommendations, in particular) Deep space exploration Every time I think of this subject, these two categories are always at the top of the list. There are literally thousands of non-beneficial categories and scenarios, but I won't go into those here for obvious reasons.
G'day Folks, Looking back on the development of AI (Artificial Intelligence) and for those that don’t know it, it’s worthwhile looking at; "What is Artificial Intelligence (AI) & Why is it Important? | Accenture[^]" AI is being introduced too soon in too many applications where now I am starting to think that AI is running itself and taking over. It is in my opinion, getting out of hand and starting to get difficult to handle, i.e. control. I am reminded of Murphy's Law "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.", eventually and maybe sooner than we think. The AI projects as a whole needs to be withdrawn until the project can be better controlled and stop it from generating misinformation. That large Businesses have introduced AI into their Corporate Systems I believe was misguided for an application that was still in the development stage, i.e. not fully proven, and the ramifications are being felt now with many taking a few steps back. Just my “Tuppence worth” (old saying for Two pennies worth) take care and practice extreme caution when using AI. Regards Roger Hass / PC-Bug Fixer now in Tanilba Bay NSW 2319 Australia
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"The amount of people who argue online with absolutely no experience in the subject matter is crazy, for instance." Present company excepted, naturally, as always. One is above the common fray.
Wrong. I speak of things I know about. I suggest you end your little tirade right now.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
what are we going to do with billions of directionless people once AI takes their job?
revolutions, wars, mutual annihilation.
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
That’s a very accurate observation. Totally agree. Willing to bet the reason violence used to be so prevalent was due to boredom. Now we have jobs, video games, and TV to “feed” us. Right one of those things is teaching war. If a second one is removed like jobs… gonna be a lot of bored people again.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Which means, future money will have no intrinsic value. Which is impossible. Which means money will be a concept of the past, in the way we see it now. Also, curious to know how that would affect investments if we have no concept of money (value).
A nice Utopia is the way Star Trek "world" works
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
I know I’m gonna lose nerd pints here, but I don’t know how that works. Can you elaborate?
Jeremy Falcon
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The two top categories that I feel that AI has the most beneficial use currently and in the future for the human species is: Medical (diagnosis and optimal procedure recommendations, in particular) Deep space exploration Every time I think of this subject, these two categories are always at the top of the list. There are literally thousands of non-beneficial categories and scenarios, but I won't go into those here for obvious reasons.
First fear: Is there a politician in DC who hasn't already thought "How can my party and I secretly exploit AI to put us in power perpetually?" Corollary to first fear: Legislation isn't going to "save us from AI' when the people writing regulations are political animals (as we all are). Second fear: "AI" become the new religion which can tell people to do things "because AI said so" even though it's an actual person telling sheep (people) what to do.
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Deep space exploration is a great option. Personally, I'm more concerned about what the people will be doing since I would imagine we're still a generation or two away from the robot uprising. :laugh: One thing's for sure, the economy is about to change with AI. Throughout history humans have always wanted to control others. Not all of it was bad. Some of it was, like with sl****y. But, there are quite a few directionless peeps out there that just exist. Eat, Poop, Procreate, Die. Historically, they got jobs, served the king, etc. and let someone else give them direction. That part of human nature isn't about to change. But, what is about to change is, we're about to have billions of people no longer needed to do mundane work. They already have a few fully automatic, robotic McDonald's in existence. The backbone of any economy - truckers - will end up being self-driving and automated. And so on. It's just a matter of time. The question is, what are we going to do with billions of directionless people once AI takes their job? What's currently being proposed is UBI btw, which will do more harm than good but I'll elaborate on that in a different post. Curious to know other's thoughts about what we're going to do.
Jeremy Falcon
Yes, all those people who made buggy whips, horseshoes, and stage coaches were homeless and unemployed after that evil Henry Ford starting building automobiles!
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The two top categories that I feel that AI has the most beneficial use currently and in the future for the human species is: Medical (diagnosis and optimal procedure recommendations, in particular) Deep space exploration Every time I think of this subject, these two categories are always at the top of the list. There are literally thousands of non-beneficial categories and scenarios, but I won't go into those here for obvious reasons.
Agree about medical, but it will be drug discovery where the intersection with quantum computing is going to have it spitting out so many concoctions to put in people to alter biochemistry etc that we literally evolve into multiple new species as we go far beyond eliminating ailments. After the 8th accidental space tourism collision all the space stuff will be mostly only hold until we launch a bunch of giant nets to scoop up all the stuff in LEO in a giant cleanup mission.
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The two top categories that I feel that AI has the most beneficial use currently and in the future for the human species is: Medical (diagnosis and optimal procedure recommendations, in particular) Deep space exploration Every time I think of this subject, these two categories are always at the top of the list. There are literally thousands of non-beneficial categories and scenarios, but I won't go into those here for obvious reasons.
I thought the same thing for space flight, and Tesla or Elon Musk with his work on self driving cars, can utilize the same technology for space mining drones around our asteroid belt using SpaceX.
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The two top categories that I feel that AI has the most beneficial use currently and in the future for the human species is: Medical (diagnosis and optimal procedure recommendations, in particular) Deep space exploration Every time I think of this subject, these two categories are always at the top of the list. There are literally thousands of non-beneficial categories and scenarios, but I won't go into those here for obvious reasons.
Medical would be interesting if the AI is given ALL the known data. It would tell everyone to change their lifestyle to avoid all of the interactions and side effects of drugs that only mitigate illness. Of course, the more likely scenario is that the drug companies, having massive money and power, will ensure that only drugs and surgical interventions are acceptable treatment, and greed will prevail.
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Medical would be interesting if the AI is given ALL the known data. It would tell everyone to change their lifestyle to avoid all of the interactions and side effects of drugs that only mitigate illness. Of course, the more likely scenario is that the drug companies, having massive money and power, will ensure that only drugs and surgical interventions are acceptable treatment, and greed will prevail.
Agree. A very real possibility indeed.
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I know I’m gonna lose nerd pints here, but I don’t know how that works. Can you elaborate?
Jeremy Falcon
https://gamerant.com/star-trek-why-world-without-currency-way-forward/[^] Sorry, too lazy to write it down...
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I'd assumed, that like me, every one was an old fogey on this site :laugh: The 80's really was a fantastic time for pop music.
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https://gamerant.com/star-trek-why-world-without-currency-way-forward/[^] Sorry, too lazy to write it down...
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Oh snap... I'll have to check it out after work. VPN issues and all that. Thanks man.
Jeremy Falcon
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Oh snap... I'll have to check it out after work. VPN issues and all that. Thanks man.
Jeremy Falcon
You are welcome.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The amount of people who argue online with absolutely no experience in the subject matter is crazy, for instance.
But, but, but... xkcd: Duty Calls[^]
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
It doesn't take long to spend time doing just a bit of research to find out all of the media is controled by a few people for instance - all of it. Don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to accept that fact.
You are right... you only need a working brain, and sadly common sense is not that common
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
The guy that has the YouTube channel Veritesium calculates that 30 million Americans have an IQ of 80 or less. I see no reason to suspect he is wrong. That's not a comfort.
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The guy that has the YouTube channel Veritesium calculates that 30 million Americans have an IQ of 80 or less. I see no reason to suspect he is wrong. That's not a comfort.
I do not think that they are "that dumb" (IQ). I just think that they are not really educated. From all the US people I have met in my life, I observed that there were no middle way. Either they were really hardworking and learned a lot (mostly on their own) or they were damned lazy and didn't have a clue about anything. And I see the same tendence being established in europe too. Younger generations are not being prepared properly for the future. I find it really dangerous in a such complex world like the one nowadays. I suppose "simple" people (I repeat, I don't think people is "that dumb") is easier to manipulate and to get where the interests of the "elite" want them to go. The other side of the coin is... if / when STHTF (Note: I am not alarmist or prepper, IMHO it is just statistic) there will be a huge decimation because people won't be able to adapt and won't have enough knowledge to survive without all what today is taken as "granted".
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I do not think that they are "that dumb" (IQ). I just think that they are not really educated. From all the US people I have met in my life, I observed that there were no middle way. Either they were really hardworking and learned a lot (mostly on their own) or they were damned lazy and didn't have a clue about anything. And I see the same tendence being established in europe too. Younger generations are not being prepared properly for the future. I find it really dangerous in a such complex world like the one nowadays. I suppose "simple" people (I repeat, I don't think people is "that dumb") is easier to manipulate and to get where the interests of the "elite" want them to go. The other side of the coin is... if / when STHTF (Note: I am not alarmist or prepper, IMHO it is just statistic) there will be a huge decimation because people won't be able to adapt and won't have enough knowledge to survive without all what today is taken as "granted".
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Your observations about Americans I think are valid however that is only a subjective view. The guy on Varitisium he did some averaging of several IQ determining methods and from this refining of that data the dark matter, as it were, was revealed. It does make you wonder however when the Internet makes it possible (in fact the social media algorithms help them) for the supersitious to clump together. American's brand of capitalism would seem to encourage an empty mind to begin with. Everything in a collective sense is discouraged excepting who you vote for and what church you attend. Otherwise, they are a blank slate for marketing strategies. Americans understand this in the sense they will go out to discover what to buy, not what they need. It is not a sustainable way to run a country in my view. If there are 30 million dumbells out there then they are going to bollocks things up when it comes to solving the importnat issues. AI may compound this too by turning several hundred million into useless members of society. That can't be good. I might be one them. Time will be the revelator I suppose.
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Your observations about Americans I think are valid however that is only a subjective view. The guy on Varitisium he did some averaging of several IQ determining methods and from this refining of that data the dark matter, as it were, was revealed. It does make you wonder however when the Internet makes it possible (in fact the social media algorithms help them) for the supersitious to clump together. American's brand of capitalism would seem to encourage an empty mind to begin with. Everything in a collective sense is discouraged excepting who you vote for and what church you attend. Otherwise, they are a blank slate for marketing strategies. Americans understand this in the sense they will go out to discover what to buy, not what they need. It is not a sustainable way to run a country in my view. If there are 30 million dumbells out there then they are going to bollocks things up when it comes to solving the importnat issues. AI may compound this too by turning several hundred million into useless members of society. That can't be good. I might be one them. Time will be the revelator I suppose.
Charles Kroeger wrote:
The guy on Varitisium he did some averaging of several IQ determining methods and from this refining of that data the dark matter, as it were, was revealed.
I know the guy works with a pretty nice scientific approach, but there is still a lot of dependance of the data used. I think the usage of social media decreases with the intelligence / madurity of the user. So the biggest % of people using it will fall in that average easier.
Charles Kroeger wrote:
American's brand of capitalism would seem to encourage an empty mind to begin with.
Sadly not only American's... I think this really extended. In fanatic countries it is already limited per se. In autocratic countries, the same. In democratic countries, it is being pushed pretty hard. As I said, dumb people is easier to manipulate. Pick a country and you can find several examples related to that without big efford.
Charles Kroeger wrote:
Americans understand this in the sense they will go out to discover what to buy, not what they need. It is not a sustainable way to run a country in my view.
Same as above... if it only were the americans... :sigh:
Charles Kroeger wrote:
AI may compound this too by turning several hundred million into useless members of society.
If that happens... it will be the start of the end. From all the people I know without something meaningful to do, the biggest part have either psychological, alcohol, drugs problems or all at once. We are not done to stay idle for long periods of time, it is not healthy.
Charles Kroeger wrote:
Time will be the revelator I suppose.
For sure... the question is... what will it reveal?
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