Internal conflict
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I think it might be advisable to stay at home, in the familiar culture of condemnation, shaming, guilting and creating victims of imaginary crimes. You seem to, in your mind, create implications of simple nakedness, with regard to what it makes expected, permitted and accepted, in ways that are in serious conflict with the moral and legal values in societies where nudity is not met with panic, but a relaxed attitude. Actually, you are at risk of being view as one with dubious fantasies and desires. Just stating that there are lots of photos of me naked as a kid, and that is OK, is far from "defending it vehemently". It is nothing even close to that of putting those family photos in the same slot as "poisonous plants and murder", claiming that a 50+ year old family photo album "opens the door for predators". And when you (in your answer to Jörgen Andersson, above) write: "Yet, naked kids is a "natural" thing we fight for? Why? And yes, that's rhetorical. I know the answer", that "answer" that you "know", even if you only imply it without stating it, reflects something about your mental world. Actually, it is a rather grave accusation against me, my parents and lots of relatives, and numerous other people living in a culture/moral that differs from your own. I wouldn't be surprised if you in a few years declare that you "know the answer" why I let my dog run around with uncovered genitals, and even "make it a thing to publish pictures of naked dogs in books en masse". It seems as if you have found the right place and moral society to live in. Stick to that place. Please.
Humans are not dogs. I'm a Freudian who's studied the human mind a lot more than the average person. I don't expect everyone to be introspective enough to fully understand the human mind, yet I'm still surprised when I see ignorance in action. Which you can infer says something about me and you'd be correct. But I am not wrong about what I speak of... not at all.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
while you chase after them to put undies on
You do not understand this at all. I never chased after my naked dog to put his undies on. In cultures where naked kids are accepted as something normal, they "chase their kids to put undies on" no more than I chase my dog. I am not afraid of publishing pictures of my naked dog. There are movements in the US of A working for making it unlawful for pets to display their 'private parts', mandating clothing for dogs in public. If we have the same change in attitude to clothing of dogs as we have seen the last 30-40 years in clothing of kids on the beach, we will end up with people pointing to my old photos of naked dogs, asking me in a stern voice why "it is lost on me" that this sort of pictures stimulate zoophilia. I don't know of many people who let their kids run around naked when the kid wants to (and that is quit a lot) who are "fighting for it" - they are relaxed and ask "Why not?" The fighters are those fighting to ban, to condemn, to create victims, guilt and shame. Not those who thinks it is OK.
The fact you compared kids to dogs means this conversation is pointless.
Jeremy Falcon
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The fact you compared kids to dogs means this conversation is pointless.
Jeremy Falcon
It happened earlier than that. Such as when you compared photographs of kids on the beach to "Poisonous plants and murder" and declared that you "know the answer" to why people think naked kids are OK without relating it to erotic attraction and actions - which seems to be the "natural" reaction in your mind. Maybe you have been studying Freud a little too much. If you possibly can, please stay away from kids in my family and my neighborhood. I wouldn't feel safe if you were around them. Especially if they are playing on the lawn or at the beach in little or no clothes. I am truly scared by what goes on in your mind whenever you see a naked child, or even think of one.
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We're mostly the same, except I'd tell my kids to put on some undies. Just don't see why folks don't get there's a difference between that and these "books" they're defending.
Jeremy Falcon
To be honest... I am not defending the books, but I do think that information, when given fully and correctly is the best kids can get. To learn properly anatomy and differences between girls and boys, I do not care if they see naked human bodies or drawing of naked human bodies. I see your point and your concerns, usually I am one message chain braker, but I forwarded this one to a big part of my contacts: Nachricht von Ella | Without Consent - YouTube[^] On the other hand, I do think too that, in some arguments of yours, you go too far in the other direction. I wonder... where is the healthy middle point?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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It happened earlier than that. Such as when you compared photographs of kids on the beach to "Poisonous plants and murder" and declared that you "know the answer" to why people think naked kids are OK without relating it to erotic attraction and actions - which seems to be the "natural" reaction in your mind. Maybe you have been studying Freud a little too much. If you possibly can, please stay away from kids in my family and my neighborhood. I wouldn't feel safe if you were around them. Especially if they are playing on the lawn or at the beach in little or no clothes. I am truly scared by what goes on in your mind whenever you see a naked child, or even think of one.
Yeah, I don't need moral advice from a commie who carries around pictures of naked kids in books. Take your little moral high ground act and spare me. And, I'll do you one better... stay away from me period. Even online. I don't associate with evil. And maybe, you haven't studied anything at all.
Jeremy Falcon
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To be honest... I am not defending the books, but I do think that information, when given fully and correctly is the best kids can get. To learn properly anatomy and differences between girls and boys, I do not care if they see naked human bodies or drawing of naked human bodies. I see your point and your concerns, usually I am one message chain braker, but I forwarded this one to a big part of my contacts: Nachricht von Ella | Without Consent - YouTube[^] On the other hand, I do think too that, in some arguments of yours, you go too far in the other direction. I wonder... where is the healthy middle point?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
On the other hand, I do think too that, in some arguments of yours, you go too far in the other direction.
Well... not sure if that relates to this thread in particular or just my general chats on CP. If it's the latter, I totally agree. Although, from my perspective I don't because I love talking about deep subjects, study a lot, do critical thinking, and understand a lot of things most people won't bother to or they're just not capable of. Like, I know your intent with talking. So, I'm not as snarky ya know. So, if you asked me about stuff others may consider too deep, I'd eat it up like candy. Deep down, this is how I prefer to operate. In doing so, I've learned what 99% of people never will. The weak can't handle the truth. The strong live for it. The weak outnumber the strong. But when you start dropping truth bombs online... get ready for the hate. I get it though; I annoy weak people. The person most hated is he who speaks the truth. And, I'm sure some on CP may think me crazy, but it's only the "crazy" people who are considered a genius after their time.
Nelek wrote:
I wonder... where is the healthy middle point?
Well, that would take a level of maturity like you've displayed. Not sure I have that. :laugh: And I know for sure most peeps on CP don't.
Jeremy Falcon
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Nelek wrote:
On the other hand, I do think too that, in some arguments of yours, you go too far in the other direction.
Well... not sure if that relates to this thread in particular or just my general chats on CP. If it's the latter, I totally agree. Although, from my perspective I don't because I love talking about deep subjects, study a lot, do critical thinking, and understand a lot of things most people won't bother to or they're just not capable of. Like, I know your intent with talking. So, I'm not as snarky ya know. So, if you asked me about stuff others may consider too deep, I'd eat it up like candy. Deep down, this is how I prefer to operate. In doing so, I've learned what 99% of people never will. The weak can't handle the truth. The strong live for it. The weak outnumber the strong. But when you start dropping truth bombs online... get ready for the hate. I get it though; I annoy weak people. The person most hated is he who speaks the truth. And, I'm sure some on CP may think me crazy, but it's only the "crazy" people who are considered a genius after their time.
Nelek wrote:
I wonder... where is the healthy middle point?
Well, that would take a level of maturity like you've displayed. Not sure I have that. :laugh: And I know for sure most peeps on CP don't.
Jeremy Falcon
I am someone that usually polarize people too, some love me, some hate me, most both depending on how is my day going. :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm sure some on CP may think me crazy
Not sure if crazy is the correct word... PITA would be more accurate :rolleyes: ;P :-D
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
but it's only the "crazy" people who are considered a genius after their time.
I have a little problem with the "only", not all crazy and not always. There are a lot of crazy people that will remain considered crazy after their time.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The weak can't handle the truth.
I would change the "weak" with "wrong", there are strong people that can't handle it either.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
But when you start dropping truth bombs online... get ready for the hate.
One of my favourite contras... "Oh, perfect! Insults... the last resource when simple minds run out of arguments. If at least they were original..." that drives them nuts :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Well, that would take a level of maturity like you've displayed.
Thanks. It is not usual to see you making a compliment, and even more scarce to get it personally.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I am someone that usually polarize people too, some love me, some hate me, most both depending on how is my day going. :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I'm sure some on CP may think me crazy
Not sure if crazy is the correct word... PITA would be more accurate :rolleyes: ;P :-D
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
but it's only the "crazy" people who are considered a genius after their time.
I have a little problem with the "only", not all crazy and not always. There are a lot of crazy people that will remain considered crazy after their time.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The weak can't handle the truth.
I would change the "weak" with "wrong", there are strong people that can't handle it either.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
But when you start dropping truth bombs online... get ready for the hate.
One of my favourite contras... "Oh, perfect! Insults... the last resource when simple minds run out of arguments. If at least they were original..." that drives them nuts :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Well, that would take a level of maturity like you've displayed.
Thanks. It is not usual to see you making a compliment, and even more scarce to get it personally.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
I am someone that usually polarize people too, some love me, some hate me, most both depending on how is my day going
Welcome to the cool club.
Nelek wrote:
Not sure if crazy is the correct word... PITA would be more accurate
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Nelek wrote:
There are a lot of crazy people that will remain considered crazy after their time.
Touché
Nelek wrote:
I would change the "weak" with "wrong", there are strong people that can't handle it either.
Well in particular, I mean strong minded... which isn't always being stubborn. Totally agree there are a lot of stubborn people that may come of as such, but I consider them closed off and hardly any better.
Nelek wrote:
One of my favourite contras... "Oh, perfect! Insults... the last resource when simple minds run out of arguments. If at least they were original..." that drives them nuts
:laugh: I ain't gonna lie, I've done that too. You're right in that it's a cop-opt. After decades of arguing though... I kinda like it. :laugh: :laugh:
Nelek wrote:
It is not usual to see you making a compliment, and even more scarce to get it personally.
Totally agree there. I do have a negative bias which stems from my contrarian core philosophy. And please take this the right way, but there's also the fact that deep down I don't have much respect for peeps online that hide behind fake screen names and profiles. I did that too as a kid. I grew up. So, for sure, when it comes to CP I already know the caliber of people I'm dealing with. But yeah, I feel ya. I have worked on giving out compliments in real life. So, I am better at it. Just ya know... probably never gonna happen with CP. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Nelek wrote:
I am someone that usually polarize people too, some love me, some hate me, most both depending on how is my day going
Welcome to the cool club.
Nelek wrote:
Not sure if crazy is the correct word... PITA would be more accurate
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Nelek wrote:
There are a lot of crazy people that will remain considered crazy after their time.
Touché
Nelek wrote:
I would change the "weak" with "wrong", there are strong people that can't handle it either.
Well in particular, I mean strong minded... which isn't always being stubborn. Totally agree there are a lot of stubborn people that may come of as such, but I consider them closed off and hardly any better.
Nelek wrote:
One of my favourite contras... "Oh, perfect! Insults... the last resource when simple minds run out of arguments. If at least they were original..." that drives them nuts
:laugh: I ain't gonna lie, I've done that too. You're right in that it's a cop-opt. After decades of arguing though... I kinda like it. :laugh: :laugh:
Nelek wrote:
It is not usual to see you making a compliment, and even more scarce to get it personally.
Totally agree there. I do have a negative bias which stems from my contrarian core philosophy. And please take this the right way, but there's also the fact that deep down I don't have much respect for peeps online that hide behind fake screen names and profiles. I did that too as a kid. I grew up. So, for sure, when it comes to CP I already know the caliber of people I'm dealing with. But yeah, I feel ya. I have worked on giving out compliments in real life. So, I am better at it. Just ya know... probably never gonna happen with CP. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Well in particular, I mean strong minded... which isn't always being stubborn. Totally agree there are a lot of stubborn people that may come of as such, but I consider them closed off and hardly any better.
Fair enough
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You're right in that it's a cop-opt
:confused:cop-opt?:confused:Never saw this expression before...
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
And please take this the right way, but there's also the fact that deep down I don't have much respect for peeps online that hide behind fake screen names and profiles. I did that too as a kid. I grew up.
I can understand it, but I have been using this Nick since the very beginning in most of the places I have been online in my life (even in games), so the ones I met 25 years ago (and still remember it) would be able to recognise me as well... Fvck... I just realized I have used "25 years ago", referring to me in adult age... damn it :laugh: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Well in particular, I mean strong minded... which isn't always being stubborn. Totally agree there are a lot of stubborn people that may come of as such, but I consider them closed off and hardly any better.
Fair enough
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
You're right in that it's a cop-opt
:confused:cop-opt?:confused:Never saw this expression before...
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
And please take this the right way, but there's also the fact that deep down I don't have much respect for peeps online that hide behind fake screen names and profiles. I did that too as a kid. I grew up.
I can understand it, but I have been using this Nick since the very beginning in most of the places I have been online in my life (even in games), so the ones I met 25 years ago (and still remember it) would be able to recognise me as well... Fvck... I just realized I have used "25 years ago", referring to me in adult age... damn it :laugh: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
cop-opt?
Have no idea how that phrase came to be... but it means to avoid doing something. Taking the easy way. Not doing it, etc.
Nelek wrote:
Fvck... I just realized I have used "25 years ago", referring to me in adult age... damn it
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Welcome to the club brother. On the upside we get to start taking Bingo seriously soon.
Jeremy Falcon