Is it just me, or are...
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
I looked at Lenovo, and wow $5790 for 128Gigs, 4 Tb storage, Nvidia RTX and i9 chip. It's the NVidia chip ($1800), the ram ($1400) and SSD ($750) estimated by me. This level of performance is in high demand, and the higher price keeps them in stock, where if it was cheaper, they would be sold out and on back order. NVidia sold out of chips this quarter, and they are hard to get now. Companies are complaining that they can't get their chips from NVidia, because NVidia shifted their production to the big AI chip, H-100 when TSMC was slow. Since the value of NVidia stock is so high now, I would imagine anything with NVidia technology inside is going to be very expensive. The $6K is hard to justify, but the amount of computing power within such a small package like this is much higher now compared to 5 years ago. What you can do with this much power if you can do it, justifies the price today.
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
Just an option to consider - Framework. Framework Laptops I got a powerful system for about 2.2k last year and I've been happy with it. I mess with virtualization a bit so I wanted the 64G mem. 6 cores (I think, might be 8). I know at least one other person who's quite happy with their older Framework. Their vision is to have components that are easily user-upgradable, so hopefully it will have a longer overall lifetime. Cheers!
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dandy72 wrote:
What do you realistically need in a laptop that requires it to have 64GB of RAM?
640K ought to be enough for anybody. - Bill Gates
Jeremy Falcon
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The most interesting part is when he was asked about this quote. He didn't positively confirm that he had said it, but if so, it must have been in in discussions about how much of the 8086 1Mbyte total address space should be reserved for for the OS, drivers and such, and how much should the user control. His opinion was that it was fair to reserve 6/16 of the address space for OS & drivers, with 10/16 of the address space for user programs. In that context, the statement makes perfect sense. I am willing to stand up and defend Bill Gates.
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Really? Well crap. Reminds me of this quote though...
Abraham Lincoln wrote:
Not every quote you read on the Internet is true.
Jeremy Falcon
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The most interesting part is when he was asked about this quote. He didn't positively confirm that he had said it, but if so, it must have been in in discussions about how much of the 8086 1Mbyte total address space should be reserved for for the OS, drivers and such, and how much should the user control. His opinion was that it was fair to reserve 6/16 of the address space for OS & drivers, with 10/16 of the address space for user programs. In that context, the statement makes perfect sense. I am willing to stand up and defend Bill Gates.
kalberts wrote:
In that context, the statement makes perfect sense. I am willing to stand up and defend Bill Gates.
Oh snaaaaap. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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I just recently replaced both my 10-year-old laptop and my nearly 10-year-old desktop. For the laptop I bought an LG Gram16 with 500GB NVME and 16GB RAM. CPU is a 12th-Gen Intel Core-i7. I'm a developer, not a gamer, so the memory is enough to let me do what I need and I beefed up the disc space by adding a 2TB 980Pro into the second NVME slot. The 16-inch screen is great and the whole thing weighs way less than my old ASUS. It comes in at less than a kilo. Surprisingly enough, I got it at Costco for $500 bucks off list. Cost me $CDN1500 for the laptop and about $200 for the added 2TB. My new desktop is based on a 13th-Gen Intel Core-i9, Asus motherboard, 32GB RAM, Nvidia 3060 GPU to drive my 4 monitors, and 3 2TB sticks of NVME, mixed between WD850NX and Samsung 980PRO. I moved over my two mirrored arrays of 4TB rotating discs to use for big storage and backup. The speed is awesome -- Visual Studio starts up in an eye-blink and builds go so fast that they're done in no time. I no longer have time to go make a cup of tea while I'm waiting. I figure this may be the last machine I build, so I decided it was worth it to spend the money. All told, it cost me about $CDN3500.
Not bad man... the same specs I'm looking at would be bit cheaper in a desktop I'm sure. Thing is, I haven't used a desktop in over a decade. I'm afraid I'd lose cool points for that.
Jeremy Falcon
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
I just recently replaced both my 10-year-old laptop and my nearly 10-year-old desktop. For the laptop I bought an LG Gram16 with 500GB NVME and 16GB RAM. CPU is a 12th-Gen Intel Core-i7. I'm a developer, not a gamer, so the memory is enough to let me do what I need and I beefed up the disc space by adding a 2TB 980Pro into the second NVME slot. The 16-inch screen is great and the whole thing weighs way less than my old ASUS. It comes in at less than a kilo. Surprisingly enough, I got it at Costco for $500 bucks off list. Cost me $CDN1500 for the laptop and about $200 for the added 2TB. My new desktop is based on a 13th-Gen Intel Core-i9, Asus motherboard, 32GB RAM, Nvidia 3060 GPU to drive my 4 monitors, and 3 2TB sticks of NVME, mixed between WD850NX and Samsung 980PRO. I moved over my two mirrored arrays of 4TB rotating discs to use for big storage and backup. The speed is awesome -- Visual Studio starts up in an eye-blink and builds go so fast that they're done in no time. I no longer have time to go make a cup of tea while I'm waiting. I figure this may be the last machine I build, so I decided it was worth it to spend the money. All told, it cost me about $CDN3500.
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You must be a graphics designer. That's the only reason I can think to have that much memory in a laptop. The price you're seeing is a result of the memory and SSD, nothing else.
I'm a software developer. Everything runs in Docker, plus I need at least 1 VM (at once) to connect to customers systems. That, plus Eclipse running, I can easily eat through 32Gb+, and on a 32Gb machine, that just causes swapping and terrible performance. Right now, with Chrome, Docker, VMWare and Eclipse running. I'm at 63% of 64Gb. There's still no way I'd pay 6k. I've got an HPZbook, 6 core/12 thread i7, 64Gb RAM (comes with 32Gb, added an extra 32Gb), 1Tb + 2Tb NVMe (added the 2Tb), and was (from memory) circa £1600. Only got an Nvidia Quadro, so about the same performance as a GTX1650. Happily plays Far Cry 6 on medium.
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...computers getting too expensive? So, here I am, trying to stop myself from buying a new laptop since my current one is about 5 years old. Ain't gonna lie, I'm this close to it. But for a new higher end laptop and monitor (to last another 5 years) it's about $5.6K USD once you add in the extended warranties so the company you buy from doesn't tell you to p1ss off if something goes wrong. That's like 6K... homes used to cost that much. Probably 1K of that is just the GPU. How on Earth do companies honestly expect non-techy folks to drop that kinda money?
Jeremy Falcon
That price seemed a bit too high to me and then I look around. I found many machines I could be happy with for around 2K but then I found The One : AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX3D processor review - Introduction[^]. That is a really, really nice machine. It has a mobile RTX 4090 for a GPU and probably the best mobile processor available. Sadly, it costs around $4K and with a really good monitor the total will be about $5K, possibly less depending on the monitor. I think I could live with a machine like that. ETA: here's another review of it from a different site: The ASUS ROG Strix Scar 17 (2023) Laptop Review: Mobile Ryzen 9 7945HX3D with 3D V-Cache Impresses[^].
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
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That price seemed a bit too high to me and then I look around. I found many machines I could be happy with for around 2K but then I found The One : AMD Ryzen 9 7945HX3D processor review - Introduction[^]. That is a really, really nice machine. It has a mobile RTX 4090 for a GPU and probably the best mobile processor available. Sadly, it costs around $4K and with a really good monitor the total will be about $5K, possibly less depending on the monitor. I think I could live with a machine like that. ETA: here's another review of it from a different site: The ASUS ROG Strix Scar 17 (2023) Laptop Review: Mobile Ryzen 9 7945HX3D with 3D V-Cache Impresses[^].
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
Rick York wrote:
Sadly, it costs around $4K and with a really good monitor the total will be about $5K
Exactly... everything I come up with is around those price points too. I'm glad I only have to do this once every 5 years or so, it takes a lot of time to choose wisely in tech. These things aren't cheap.
Rick York wrote:
ETA: here's another review of it from a different site
I'll have to check it out, thanks.
Jeremy Falcon
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Really? Well crap. Reminds me of this quote though...
Abraham Lincoln wrote:
Not every quote you read on the Internet is true.
Jeremy Falcon
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The most interesting part is when he was asked about this quote. He didn't positively confirm that he had said it, but if so, it must have been in in discussions about how much of the 8086 1Mbyte total address space should be reserved for for the OS, drivers and such, and how much should the user control. His opinion was that it was fair to reserve 6/16 of the address space for OS & drivers, with 10/16 of the address space for user programs. In that context, the statement makes perfect sense. I am willing to stand up and defend Bill Gates.
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I'm a software developer. Everything runs in Docker, plus I need at least 1 VM (at once) to connect to customers systems. That, plus Eclipse running, I can easily eat through 32Gb+, and on a 32Gb machine, that just causes swapping and terrible performance. Right now, with Chrome, Docker, VMWare and Eclipse running. I'm at 63% of 64Gb. There's still no way I'd pay 6k. I've got an HPZbook, 6 core/12 thread i7, 64Gb RAM (comes with 32Gb, added an extra 32Gb), 1Tb + 2Tb NVMe (added the 2Tb), and was (from memory) circa £1600. Only got an Nvidia Quadro, so about the same performance as a GTX1650. Happily plays Far Cry 6 on medium.
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