OLED vs IPS... to 4K or not to 4K?
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I remember back in the CRT days when LCDs first came out. Everyone knew LCDs had a slow refresh rate in comparison (at the time). Eventually, LCDs became the norm, people are finally like woo hoo 120Hz even though back in the day we had that all along. But to make the switch you gave up that sweet, sweet refresh rate. Fast forward to today. We have IPS displays because we've come that far. Except IPS is old and crusty apparently. OLED is where it's at. Cool. Expect one thing... Why are there no 4K OLED computer monitors out there? I can find QHD ones but no 4k. Noooope. I've had a 4K monitor for years now... not gonna be easy to go back. So here's the question, is QHD on an OLED still crisper? I never had one yet, but I somehow find it hard to believe an up or downscaled resolution would be as crisp as a native 4k resolution. Or is OLED that much better that QHD is still ok when scaled? Keep in mind, I'm not getting this monitor to game on and I know OLED has deeper blacks, better contrast, etc.... but no 4K? :omg:
Jeremy Falcon
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I remember back in the CRT days when LCDs first came out. Everyone knew LCDs had a slow refresh rate in comparison (at the time). Eventually, LCDs became the norm, people are finally like woo hoo 120Hz even though back in the day we had that all along. But to make the switch you gave up that sweet, sweet refresh rate. Fast forward to today. We have IPS displays because we've come that far. Except IPS is old and crusty apparently. OLED is where it's at. Cool. Expect one thing... Why are there no 4K OLED computer monitors out there? I can find QHD ones but no 4k. Noooope. I've had a 4K monitor for years now... not gonna be easy to go back. So here's the question, is QHD on an OLED still crisper? I never had one yet, but I somehow find it hard to believe an up or downscaled resolution would be as crisp as a native 4k resolution. Or is OLED that much better that QHD is still ok when scaled? Keep in mind, I'm not getting this monitor to game on and I know OLED has deeper blacks, better contrast, etc.... but no 4K? :omg:
Jeremy Falcon
I'm using 3840 x 1260 resolution. I think that's 4K, but I'm not sure. The resolution is good enough for me to sit just about a foot from the screen and not see pixels. The interesting thing is that some very fine and small fonts look multicolored even though they are supposed to be black. I suppose that's a problem with the monitor.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I'm using 3840 x 1260 resolution. I think that's 4K, but I'm not sure. The resolution is good enough for me to sit just about a foot from the screen and not see pixels. The interesting thing is that some very fine and small fonts look multicolored even though they are supposed to be black. I suppose that's a problem with the monitor.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
I'm using 3840 x 1260 resolution. I think that's 4K, but I'm not sure.
4K is 3840 x 2160 pixels, so that's about half the vertical space gone. Poof... vanished.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
The interesting thing is that some very fine and small fonts look multicolored even though they are supposed to be black. I suppose that's a problem with the monitor.
That's my concern. I've been Googling like crazy today and I've heard stuff like that... that for text you can see artifacts like that on OLED. We're coders, so you know... text is niiiiice. So far, from what I gather... OLED has much better colors. But, a good old trusty IPS has sharper text.
Jeremy Falcon
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I'm using 3840 x 1260 resolution. I think that's 4K, but I'm not sure. The resolution is good enough for me to sit just about a foot from the screen and not see pixels. The interesting thing is that some very fine and small fonts look multicolored even though they are supposed to be black. I suppose that's a problem with the monitor.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Oh, I should say... I am scaling 150%... so it's not like my vertical would appear twice as large if the monitors were side-by-side. It just means I'm using more pixels per inch of screen for something that would otherwise appear similar. At the expense of my colors probably looking much worse.
Jeremy Falcon
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Oh, I should say... I am scaling 150%... so it's not like my vertical would appear twice as large if the monitors were side-by-side. It just means I'm using more pixels per inch of screen for something that would otherwise appear similar. At the expense of my colors probably looking much worse.
Jeremy Falcon
I'm sorry, I was dyslexic when I wrote the resolution. I meant 3840 x 2160, as you say.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I remember back in the CRT days when LCDs first came out. Everyone knew LCDs had a slow refresh rate in comparison (at the time). Eventually, LCDs became the norm, people are finally like woo hoo 120Hz even though back in the day we had that all along. But to make the switch you gave up that sweet, sweet refresh rate. Fast forward to today. We have IPS displays because we've come that far. Except IPS is old and crusty apparently. OLED is where it's at. Cool. Expect one thing... Why are there no 4K OLED computer monitors out there? I can find QHD ones but no 4k. Noooope. I've had a 4K monitor for years now... not gonna be easy to go back. So here's the question, is QHD on an OLED still crisper? I never had one yet, but I somehow find it hard to believe an up or downscaled resolution would be as crisp as a native 4k resolution. Or is OLED that much better that QHD is still ok when scaled? Keep in mind, I'm not getting this monitor to game on and I know OLED has deeper blacks, better contrast, etc.... but no 4K? :omg:
Jeremy Falcon
I found this one : [https://www.lg.com/us/business/oled-pro-monitors/lg-32bp95e-b\](https://www.lg.com/us/business/oled-pro-monitors/lg-32bp95e-b) But its currently out of stock. It also has a 4K price tag, so there's that as well.
Keep Calm and Carry On
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I found this one : [https://www.lg.com/us/business/oled-pro-monitors/lg-32bp95e-b\](https://www.lg.com/us/business/oled-pro-monitors/lg-32bp95e-b) But its currently out of stock. It also has a 4K price tag, so there's that as well.
Keep Calm and Carry On
DO you think that monitor warrants such a price, or you think they charge so much just because they know that the buyers have deep pockets?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I'm sorry, I was dyslexic when I wrote the resolution. I meant 3840 x 2160, as you say.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I found this one : [https://www.lg.com/us/business/oled-pro-monitors/lg-32bp95e-b\](https://www.lg.com/us/business/oled-pro-monitors/lg-32bp95e-b) But its currently out of stock. It also has a 4K price tag, so there's that as well.
Keep Calm and Carry On
k5054 wrote:
But its currently out of stock. It also has a 4K price tag, so there's that as well.
Ha ha ha. Be careful what you wish for. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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DO you think that monitor warrants such a price, or you think they charge so much just because they know that the buyers have deep pockets?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Presumably, there's people willing to pay that! It is marked a s "professional" monitor and seems to be geared towards professional video editing. I haven't checked the specs, but maybe it has very precise color controls that make it worth it to the right customer. But seeing as one could get a 4k OLED TV for much less, that might be an option, too if the refresh rate and display quality are acceptable.
Keep Calm and Carry On
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And it's OLED? Would you mind sharing a link so I can look at buying one?
Jeremy Falcon
I wish I had saved the box for it, cause I've no idea what the name of the model is. All I know is that it's LG brand and its 32 inches. Can I find the model name somewhere in Windows?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I wish I had saved the box for it, cause I've no idea what the name of the model is. All I know is that it's LG brand and its 32 inches. Can I find the model name somewhere in Windows?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Can I find the model name somewhere in Windows?
If you have the drivers for it installed, it'll be listed under device manager.
Jeremy Falcon
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Can I find the model name somewhere in Windows?
If you have the drivers for it installed, it'll be listed under device manager.
Jeremy Falcon
You're right, I should have known that, but my brain is in weekend mode. :-D
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
Can I find the model name somewhere in Windows?
If you have the drivers for it installed, it'll be listed under device manager.
Jeremy Falcon
Device manager only says "Generic PnP Monitor". Well, that's frustrating!
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Device manager only says "Generic PnP Monitor". Well, that's frustrating!
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
I'll keep searching, thanks for trying at least. As an aside, just found out there's something called QLED now... which isn't as nice as OLED but maybe there's a 4K version under $4k... :omg:
Jeremy Falcon
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I'll keep searching, thanks for trying at least. As an aside, just found out there's something called QLED now... which isn't as nice as OLED but maybe there's a 4K version under $4k... :omg:
Jeremy Falcon
Good luck!
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I remember back in the CRT days when LCDs first came out. Everyone knew LCDs had a slow refresh rate in comparison (at the time). Eventually, LCDs became the norm, people are finally like woo hoo 120Hz even though back in the day we had that all along. But to make the switch you gave up that sweet, sweet refresh rate. Fast forward to today. We have IPS displays because we've come that far. Except IPS is old and crusty apparently. OLED is where it's at. Cool. Expect one thing... Why are there no 4K OLED computer monitors out there? I can find QHD ones but no 4k. Noooope. I've had a 4K monitor for years now... not gonna be easy to go back. So here's the question, is QHD on an OLED still crisper? I never had one yet, but I somehow find it hard to believe an up or downscaled resolution would be as crisp as a native 4k resolution. Or is OLED that much better that QHD is still ok when scaled? Keep in mind, I'm not getting this monitor to game on and I know OLED has deeper blacks, better contrast, etc.... but no 4K? :omg:
Jeremy Falcon
VA & TN was left off. ref: Panel Types: IPS vs TN vs VA vs OLED[^] OLED will have burn-in issues. Being a programmer, our screens tend to be static, so this is an issue. I have an OLED tablet and played the same game for 3 years on it. I can see the UI burned in and can't get rid of it. IPS is the best choice for Clarity and viewing angle. 4K is good if you want to see a lot of code on your screen. With Visual studio I have the size of text in my code window set to 90% and on a 4K screen, I can see 130 lines of code at a time. The question is size and width. What can your eyes handle. for 4K, 27" is good, 32" is best. If you have 2, then that is 8K. You could get one that rotates for your main screen, then you will have even more lines of code at a time. An alternative is to go 49"ultra wide @ 5K or DQHD 5120x1440 with an aspect Ratio: 32:9. That is like having 2 x 27"side by side without bezels. Best with 1800R curve (ref: 1000R vs. 1500R vs. 1800R Curved Monitors - What’s the difference? Which one is better?[^]). Now, this allows for a lot more. I have one, it's 1800R, and for me, it is like having 3 screens in one - no juggling windows on the screen, they're all there. I can have VS in the middle, browser on my right, and left has team viewer and word or acrobat open with specs on my left. I use Powertoys with custom preset Zones/layouts. VS in fullscreen can comfortably have 6 code windows side by side. Also, with 2 inputs, I can split screen and have my Macbook Pro for Mac OS on the left, and my dev box with Windows on the right. Dell has an 8K monitor but at over US$4K, not worth our time looking at it - not cost effective for coding. ref: 8K Monitor: Dell Ultrasharp UP3218K | Dell USA[^] I miss the vertical height of a 4K screen (still have one), and whilst 5120 is
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I found this one : [https://www.lg.com/us/business/oled-pro-monitors/lg-32bp95e-b\](https://www.lg.com/us/business/oled-pro-monitors/lg-32bp95e-b) But its currently out of stock. It also has a 4K price tag, so there's that as well.
Keep Calm and Carry On
Better off getting a small OLED TV, it is far cheaper with very little difference, as you do not need that level of color accuracy unless working with video editing software.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
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VA & TN was left off. ref: Panel Types: IPS vs TN vs VA vs OLED[^] OLED will have burn-in issues. Being a programmer, our screens tend to be static, so this is an issue. I have an OLED tablet and played the same game for 3 years on it. I can see the UI burned in and can't get rid of it. IPS is the best choice for Clarity and viewing angle. 4K is good if you want to see a lot of code on your screen. With Visual studio I have the size of text in my code window set to 90% and on a 4K screen, I can see 130 lines of code at a time. The question is size and width. What can your eyes handle. for 4K, 27" is good, 32" is best. If you have 2, then that is 8K. You could get one that rotates for your main screen, then you will have even more lines of code at a time. An alternative is to go 49"ultra wide @ 5K or DQHD 5120x1440 with an aspect Ratio: 32:9. That is like having 2 x 27"side by side without bezels. Best with 1800R curve (ref: 1000R vs. 1500R vs. 1800R Curved Monitors - What’s the difference? Which one is better?[^]). Now, this allows for a lot more. I have one, it's 1800R, and for me, it is like having 3 screens in one - no juggling windows on the screen, they're all there. I can have VS in the middle, browser on my right, and left has team viewer and word or acrobat open with specs on my left. I use Powertoys with custom preset Zones/layouts. VS in fullscreen can comfortably have 6 code windows side by side. Also, with 2 inputs, I can split screen and have my Macbook Pro for Mac OS on the left, and my dev box with Windows on the right. Dell has an 8K monitor but at over US$4K, not worth our time looking at it - not cost effective for coding. ref: 8K Monitor: Dell Ultrasharp UP3218K | Dell USA[^] I miss the vertical height of a 4K screen (still have one), and whilst 5120 is
Thanks for this writeup, it really helped a lot. For me, gonna stick with IPS. Mainly because I won't be watching movies or playing video games on my computer... got the living room TV for that. Looked at the 32" IPS options too and was close to getting one, but turns out the few I checked out weighed 10 pounds more than 28" ones. Since I don't have the most sturdy desk, my display is tucked in a corner (corner desk), and I'm already using a (older) 28" I know I can get by with one. Been using the laptop's display as a secondary screen as well, so I can continue that route. At the end of the day, settling on this bad boy. I'll be coming from a TN display, so hopefully should see some nice color differences. I'll save the OLED for the living room. Thanks again man.
Jeremy Falcon
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Better off getting a small OLED TV, it is far cheaper with very little difference, as you do not need that level of color accuracy unless working with video editing software.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
