Having a laugh in the UK
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I needed to check traffic conditions at the junction of the A3 and M25, so I went to the AA website. I decided to decline all cookies, which normally closes the popup immediately. Instead it showed a second popup with the message:
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Processing Preferences We are processing the requested change to your cookie preferences. This may take up to a few minutes to process.
To be fair it only took about 45 seconds ...
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I needed to check traffic conditions at the junction of the A3 and M25, so I went to the AA website. I decided to decline all cookies, which normally closes the popup immediately. Instead it showed a second popup with the message:
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Processing Preferences We are processing the requested change to your cookie preferences. This may take up to a few minutes to process.
To be fair it only took about 45 seconds ...
I've never run into that one but have hit unsubscribe on spam emails, landing on a page where you have to enter your email address (which they already know from their custom link) and read instructions to find the right radio button to unsubscribe from all their spam. :mad:
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I needed to check traffic conditions at the junction of the A3 and M25, so I went to the AA website. I decided to decline all cookies, which normally closes the popup immediately. Instead it showed a second popup with the message:
Quote:
Processing Preferences We are processing the requested change to your cookie preferences. This may take up to a few minutes to process.
To be fair it only took about 45 seconds ...
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
I decided to decline all cookies
Getting rid of that was the very reason for Brexit, wasn't it? :rolleyes:
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto
GDPR overreaches. It even hits US web-sites that are primarily aimed at US citizens and residents, just because someone from the EU might visit the site by accident. While I understand site owners should be responsible for securing any data they collect, individuals need to also have some responsibility to not indiscriminately share their information.
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GDPR overreaches. It even hits US web-sites that are primarily aimed at US citizens and residents, just because someone from the EU might visit the site by accident. While I understand site owners should be responsible for securing any data they collect, individuals need to also have some responsibility to not indiscriminately share their information.
It goes the other way as well: When US companies market products in Europe, they repeatedly try to avoid EU (or national) regulations by arguing against the lines of "But this is an American product - that is how it is! Denying us to sell it is against principles of free trade and open competition!" We have had troubles with smartphone chargers, handling of non-US-format mail addresses and telephone numbers, adherence to requirements for translation to local language and support for extended character sets, universal design requirements (i.e. making the device usable for people with various handicaps) and a zillion other things. US manufacturers are willing to adapt to US requirements, but refuse to adapt to European requirements (obviously not always, but sufficiently often to be a constant itch). The main rule seems to be: US regulations shall apply in the US market, no matter if the user is European. US regulations shall apply in the marketing of US products and services even when they are sold in Europe. If US interests, both at the private and corporate level, would accept and practice a perfect symmetry with Europe, I would be much more satisfied. Today, that is far from the case. If anyone claims "We don't want any European business practices in the US!" then Europe should have the right to stop any US business practice in Europe. Please stop any commercial ads/spam "primarily aimed at US citizens and residents" from appearing on the web pages I see, and in my mailbox! That would take care of a lot of what I have to delete every day, or filter out when browsing.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
I decided to decline all cookies
Getting rid of that was the very reason for Brexit, wasn't it? :rolleyes:
"In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto
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I've never run into that one but have hit unsubscribe on spam emails, landing on a page where you have to enter your email address (which they already know from their custom link) and read instructions to find the right radio button to unsubscribe from all their spam. :mad:
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The fox knows many things, but the hedgehog knows one big thing.Or like the phone systems that require you enter in information to speak to a live person only for the live person to ask you the same information you just entered.
Jeremy Falcon
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GDPR overreaches. It even hits US web-sites that are primarily aimed at US citizens and residents, just because someone from the EU might visit the site by accident. While I understand site owners should be responsible for securing any data they collect, individuals need to also have some responsibility to not indiscriminately share their information.
obermd wrote:
individuals need to also have some responsibility to not indiscriminately share their information
That's the problem. Websites start collecting your data as soon as you hit the home page. They track the links you click, via what page I found them, my location, the pictures you look at, your mouse movement, etc. I don't even have to explicitly give them information. Facebook is especially notorious when it comes to data collecting. People who say "just don't get a Facebook account" clearly don't know how it works. Every website with a Facebook share button collects your information whether you have a Facebook account or not. That's basically every news website, plenty of blogs, weshops, etc. And you might say "but it's anonymous, so they have my data, but they don't know I'm obermd living at CodeProject Street 42." They may or may not know (by comparing the data they have to data from other sources), but it sure as hell won't stop them from sending you "personalised" ads, or keeping you in your "bubble". Google, for example, may show different search results because you recently visited a particular website. It's definitely a lot scarier and a whole lot more sophisticated than a lot of people think.
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obermd wrote:
individuals need to also have some responsibility to not indiscriminately share their information
That's the problem. Websites start collecting your data as soon as you hit the home page. They track the links you click, via what page I found them, my location, the pictures you look at, your mouse movement, etc. I don't even have to explicitly give them information. Facebook is especially notorious when it comes to data collecting. People who say "just don't get a Facebook account" clearly don't know how it works. Every website with a Facebook share button collects your information whether you have a Facebook account or not. That's basically every news website, plenty of blogs, weshops, etc. And you might say "but it's anonymous, so they have my data, but they don't know I'm obermd living at CodeProject Street 42." They may or may not know (by comparing the data they have to data from other sources), but it sure as hell won't stop them from sending you "personalised" ads, or keeping you in your "bubble". Google, for example, may show different search results because you recently visited a particular website. It's definitely a lot scarier and a whole lot more sophisticated than a lot of people think.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
It's definitely a lot scarier
Scary? A few years ago I left a parking lot about half an hour before a running gun battle broke about between 7 people in that very parking lot. Now that is scary. The fact that this very site, right as I responded to this post, shows an ad for a martial arts studio which might or might not be targeted doesn't scare me at all. I wouldn't even have looked at it except I was curious in the context of this post. Those ads means I don't have to pay for the service that is being provided. I already pay for services which are not ad driven to the tune of about half of what I pay for the mortgage on my house. So not paying for other services is something I find most pleasing.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
It's definitely a lot scarier
Scary? A few years ago I left a parking lot about half an hour before a running gun battle broke about between 7 people in that very parking lot. Now that is scary. The fact that this very site, right as I responded to this post, shows an ad for a martial arts studio which might or might not be targeted doesn't scare me at all. I wouldn't even have looked at it except I was curious in the context of this post. Those ads means I don't have to pay for the service that is being provided. I already pay for services which are not ad driven to the tune of about half of what I pay for the mortgage on my house. So not paying for other services is something I find most pleasing.
It's scary when you think of how people can be micro-influenced at a large scale to fit a certain agenda.
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