They are getting even lazier in QA...
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What are politicians doing trying to write code? :omg:
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raddevus wrote:
people need intrinsic motivation
How do I say this without getting banned again on the site... hmmm People of a certain IQ or greater will achieve great things or have the potential to achieve great things, the others well, will not achieve great things in a million lifetimes. You can't cure stupid.
Slacker007 wrote:
You can't cure stupid.
I get it. But I actually don't even believe in IQ any more. I believe in Fixed Mindset versus Growth Mindset. When I was young I failed miserably in public school. And public school told me I was dumb. I had a friend who literally never got anything in school except As. I knew that he was born a genius and I was born an idiot. I couldn't do anything. I barely tried anything but I was always striving to prove myself as smart. But I couldn't because I couldn't do anything. I was Fixed mindset => "Those who are smart can and the others (me) are dumb" Then when I was 17 I was doing nothing and working at Toys R Us and on a whim on a weekend I read the book, "How To Draw On the Right Side of the Brain[^]" by Betty Edwards (this was back in 1985). Something happened and I learned to draw photorealistic images over a weekend of intense and alone study. I was mesmerized. What!?! I'd learned magic??? No one can teach you to draw, right? It's magic! Then over the next few weeks something happened inside me. "If you can learn the magic of drawing, then it means you could learn anything!! Anything!!" But, it takes WORK!! You must work hard and learn. On that day I transformed from Fixed Mindset to Growth Mindset. After that when I wanted to learn something I read a book and applied myself and even though I was dumb I started learning things. but it's hard and it takes hard work. However, it's much easier for a fixed mindset person to bail out by saying, "I just don't have the tools, because I'm not smart at Math or Computers or drawing or whatever." That's the real problem. People believe, like I did, that if you try something and fail then you are a loser. That all changed for me.
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Slacker007 wrote:
You can't cure stupid.
I get it. But I actually don't even believe in IQ any more. I believe in Fixed Mindset versus Growth Mindset. When I was young I failed miserably in public school. And public school told me I was dumb. I had a friend who literally never got anything in school except As. I knew that he was born a genius and I was born an idiot. I couldn't do anything. I barely tried anything but I was always striving to prove myself as smart. But I couldn't because I couldn't do anything. I was Fixed mindset => "Those who are smart can and the others (me) are dumb" Then when I was 17 I was doing nothing and working at Toys R Us and on a whim on a weekend I read the book, "How To Draw On the Right Side of the Brain[^]" by Betty Edwards (this was back in 1985). Something happened and I learned to draw photorealistic images over a weekend of intense and alone study. I was mesmerized. What!?! I'd learned magic??? No one can teach you to draw, right? It's magic! Then over the next few weeks something happened inside me. "If you can learn the magic of drawing, then it means you could learn anything!! Anything!!" But, it takes WORK!! You must work hard and learn. On that day I transformed from Fixed Mindset to Growth Mindset. After that when I wanted to learn something I read a book and applied myself and even though I was dumb I started learning things. but it's hard and it takes hard work. However, it's much easier for a fixed mindset person to bail out by saying, "I just don't have the tools, because I'm not smart at Math or Computers or drawing or whatever." That's the real problem. People believe, like I did, that if you try something and fail then you are a loser. That all changed for me.
Fixed/Growth - implies, to me at least, that a person has the "mental capacity" to do either one. I am referring to people who will never have the mental capacity to do either. They will always be stupid and they will never get better, end of story. I don't want to confuse intelligence with laziness, however. I know a lot of "intelligent" people that are just plain lazy. These are two distinct things, for sure.
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The author, Steve Magness, in his book Do Hard Things[^], does a brilliant job unraveling how this all happened. When I read it ==> 🤯🤯🤯🤯 Here are some snippets that summarize what he said:
From chapter 4 of the book
Building the Wrong Kind of Confidence “Nice. Kind. Good friend. Fast runner. Penguin lover.” Hanging on the side of my parents’ fridge for the past thirty years, this sliver of laminated paper is a reminder of what my classmates thought of nine-year-old Steve. For my parents, it was a trinket, a sign that they were raising a “good” kid, whose peers thought highly of him. When I was nine, I remember feeling a bit strange about this activity. There were a few students in the class who weren’t the kindest, who I had to search hard to find something nice about, and I generally left some sort of generic platitude as my response, like, “enjoys kickball.” As a child growing up in the 1990s, I encountered a deluge of similar exercises aimed at enhancing my self-esteem. There were school-wide assemblies and classroom activities all aimed at making us feel better about ourselves. In 1986, California governor George Deukmejian signed legislation creating a task force that promised to change how we dealt with society’s issues. The architect of the task force was John Vasconcellos, a California politician with a knack for the extravagant. After undergoing self-esteem-focused therapy to help his own mental health, Vasconcellos transformed into an evangelist, proselytizing the benefits of self-esteem to all who would listen. Two years into their mission, Neil Smelser, the sociologist Vasconcellos had recruited to research the impact of self-esteem, gave a preliminary report informing the task force that “these correlational findings are really
I think there is a good amount of truth there, but there is also an amount of "entitlement" involved as well - the feeling that they deserve what they want (the latest iPhony, "respect", or whatever) immediately which older generations grew out of as young children. I'd blame that on both parents (who should have to pass exams before breeding) and TV / advertisers who have pushed that message for a couple of decades now. The whole concept of earning seems to be missing from at least one whole generation, probably more. But ... that's a sweeping generalisation as well, and there are probably as many exceptions as there are inclusions just they don't stick out as much and thus don't get noticed.
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The author, Steve Magness, in his book Do Hard Things[^], does a brilliant job unraveling how this all happened. When I read it ==> 🤯🤯🤯🤯 Here are some snippets that summarize what he said:
From chapter 4 of the book
Building the Wrong Kind of Confidence “Nice. Kind. Good friend. Fast runner. Penguin lover.” Hanging on the side of my parents’ fridge for the past thirty years, this sliver of laminated paper is a reminder of what my classmates thought of nine-year-old Steve. For my parents, it was a trinket, a sign that they were raising a “good” kid, whose peers thought highly of him. When I was nine, I remember feeling a bit strange about this activity. There were a few students in the class who weren’t the kindest, who I had to search hard to find something nice about, and I generally left some sort of generic platitude as my response, like, “enjoys kickball.” As a child growing up in the 1990s, I encountered a deluge of similar exercises aimed at enhancing my self-esteem. There were school-wide assemblies and classroom activities all aimed at making us feel better about ourselves. In 1986, California governor George Deukmejian signed legislation creating a task force that promised to change how we dealt with society’s issues. The architect of the task force was John Vasconcellos, a California politician with a knack for the extravagant. After undergoing self-esteem-focused therapy to help his own mental health, Vasconcellos transformed into an evangelist, proselytizing the benefits of self-esteem to all who would listen. Two years into their mission, Neil Smelser, the sociologist Vasconcellos had recruited to research the impact of self-esteem, gave a preliminary report informing the task force that “these correlational findings are really
Interesting and timely ... My stepson, his wife and children came to visit us this afternoon. As he was getting ready to go out in the garden, I noticed that the 3 year old had his shoes on the wrong feet. "Hey, Will", I called, "you've got your shoes on the wrong feet". His mother said that at the nursery (kindergarten) they tell you never to correct your children, as it is bad for their self-esteem. Fortunately William's parents are sensible people.
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It's not just QA. Laziness and lack of work ethic is running rampant across the United States and the world, especially with the younger folks. It's bad, real bad. Just imagine this person that you refer to in your OP and how they are in their everyday life. Makes you wonder how they can possibly make it through the day without getting killed or maimed in some way. These "people" need constant, 24/7/365 assistance in every aspect of their lives, completely unable to care for themselves in any capacity. They bring absolutely nothing to the table in regards to advancing humans into the next generation. They are the pinnacle of human parasite life forms.
The failings of our generation laid the groundwork for the failings of theirs. All of this 'young people are ...' should be replaced by 'we have become...,' or another phrase that makes us reflect on the bigger picture. Take responsibility.
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It's a common theme : Do you have an example of X, Where can I find the documentation for Y, How can I learn Z, What keywords should I use to search Google/Bing etc. ... It is really odd that they think posting the question here is a better idea than going straight to Google. One wonders how they manage other aspects of their lives.
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
It is really odd that they think posting the question here is a better idea than going straight to Google
But they have a point. Google is becoming pretty crappy!
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The author, Steve Magness, in his book Do Hard Things[^], does a brilliant job unraveling how this all happened. When I read it ==> 🤯🤯🤯🤯 Here are some snippets that summarize what he said:
From chapter 4 of the book
Building the Wrong Kind of Confidence “Nice. Kind. Good friend. Fast runner. Penguin lover.” Hanging on the side of my parents’ fridge for the past thirty years, this sliver of laminated paper is a reminder of what my classmates thought of nine-year-old Steve. For my parents, it was a trinket, a sign that they were raising a “good” kid, whose peers thought highly of him. When I was nine, I remember feeling a bit strange about this activity. There were a few students in the class who weren’t the kindest, who I had to search hard to find something nice about, and I generally left some sort of generic platitude as my response, like, “enjoys kickball.” As a child growing up in the 1990s, I encountered a deluge of similar exercises aimed at enhancing my self-esteem. There were school-wide assemblies and classroom activities all aimed at making us feel better about ourselves. In 1986, California governor George Deukmejian signed legislation creating a task force that promised to change how we dealt with society’s issues. The architect of the task force was John Vasconcellos, a California politician with a knack for the extravagant. After undergoing self-esteem-focused therapy to help his own mental health, Vasconcellos transformed into an evangelist, proselytizing the benefits of self-esteem to all who would listen. Two years into their mission, Neil Smelser, the sociologist Vasconcellos had recruited to research the impact of self-esteem, gave a preliminary report informing the task force that “these correlational findings are really
I only hand out platitudes from Despair.com[^].
Will Rogers never met me.
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The failings of our generation laid the groundwork for the failings of theirs. All of this 'young people are ...' should be replaced by 'we have become...,' or another phrase that makes us reflect on the bigger picture. Take responsibility.
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David O'Neil wrote:
All of this 'young people are ...' should be replaced by 'we have become...,' or another phrase that makes us reflect on the bigger picture. Take responsibility.
The only people of the next generation whose upbringing I am willing to take responsibility for are my own children. The eldest is about to start reading Mechanical Engineering in the Technion (Israel's equivalent of MIT), and the youngest reached the finals of the "Chemistry Olympics" for high school students in Israel (she didn't win). Both of them got where they did by native talent and hard work. I reject the idea that I am somehow responsible for the failures of people that I have never met, and if I have my way - will never meet.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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David O'Neil wrote:
All of this 'young people are ...' should be replaced by 'we have become...,' or another phrase that makes us reflect on the bigger picture. Take responsibility.
The only people of the next generation whose upbringing I am willing to take responsibility for are my own children. The eldest is about to start reading Mechanical Engineering in the Technion (Israel's equivalent of MIT), and the youngest reached the finals of the "Chemistry Olympics" for high school students in Israel (she didn't win). Both of them got where they did by native talent and hard work. I reject the idea that I am somehow responsible for the failures of people that I have never met, and if I have my way - will never meet.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
'Responsible' - 'response able'. If you, and everyone else, aren't 'responsible' the problem won't get fixed. Just like the glaring problems your country (and mine) are going through right now.
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I answered a question on VSCode in QA this morning, and ended with a suggestion that he might have to talk to MS Tech Support. So he came back asking for the MS Tech Support link ... he got google. :sigh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
But how did they get here in the first place ... "I need CODE for my PROJECT ..."
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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David O'Neil wrote:
All of this 'young people are ...' should be replaced by 'we have become...,' or another phrase that makes us reflect on the bigger picture. Take responsibility.
The only people of the next generation whose upbringing I am willing to take responsibility for are my own children. The eldest is about to start reading Mechanical Engineering in the Technion (Israel's equivalent of MIT), and the youngest reached the finals of the "Chemistry Olympics" for high school students in Israel (she didn't win). Both of them got where they did by native talent and hard work. I reject the idea that I am somehow responsible for the failures of people that I have never met, and if I have my way - will never meet.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
I reject the idea that I am somehow responsible for the failures of people
100% agree with this.
Daniel Pfeffer wrote:
I am willing to take responsibility for are my own children.
100% agree with this.
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Interesting and timely ... My stepson, his wife and children came to visit us this afternoon. As he was getting ready to go out in the garden, I noticed that the 3 year old had his shoes on the wrong feet. "Hey, Will", I called, "you've got your shoes on the wrong feet". His mother said that at the nursery (kindergarten) they tell you never to correct your children, as it is bad for their self-esteem. Fortunately William's parents are sensible people.
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M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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It's not just QA. Laziness and lack of work ethic is running rampant across the United States and the world, especially with the younger folks. It's bad, real bad. Just imagine this person that you refer to in your OP and how they are in their everyday life. Makes you wonder how they can possibly make it through the day without getting killed or maimed in some way. These "people" need constant, 24/7/365 assistance in every aspect of their lives, completely unable to care for themselves in any capacity. They bring absolutely nothing to the table in regards to advancing humans into the next generation. They are the pinnacle of human parasite life forms.
We trained then as such, no vocational electives in school, participation awards..... This is what they wanted, a bunch of helpless peoples they can provide for, for power.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote:
It is really odd that they think posting the question here is a better idea than going straight to Google
But they have a point. Google is becoming pretty crappy!
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I answered a question on VSCode in QA this morning, and ended with a suggestion that he might have to talk to MS Tech Support. So he came back asking for the MS Tech Support link ... he got google. :sigh:
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I often used lmgtfy.com ("let me google that for you") to respond to questions that simple internet searches will answer. If people are too lazy or unimaginative to at least try an internet search, they deserve the sarcasm! Although I see that site now has security issues, so I wouldn't use it anymore.
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I often used lmgtfy.com ("let me google that for you") to respond to questions that simple internet searches will answer. If people are too lazy or unimaginative to at least try an internet search, they deserve the sarcasm! Although I see that site now has security issues, so I wouldn't use it anymore.
In that case, be prepared for Chris to punch you[^], and for Sean to delete your answer[^]. :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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In that case, be prepared for Chris to punch you[^], and for Sean to delete your answer[^]. :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Can we have a cage fight? They seem to be all the rage lately.
