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How to tell a good story ?

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  • S Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov

    Hi Nelek, Thank you very much for the advice and especially for reporting my typo. Speaking of which:

    I. Ilf wrote:

    It was decided to make it totally error-free. They produced twenty proofreading prints and nevertheless on the title page it was printed: "Encyclopidae Britannica".

    I'll certainly fix it as soon as I get to it. As to “no final slide”… you know, I've used it for many presentations already and never felt someone needed to know a final slide. Even an accidental step to the next round was perceived normally. And I did not quite understand how it was possible to miss something. Anyway, it looks like no concerns of this kind ever visited my head. However, there is something to think about — Thank you again.

    —SA

    Sergey A Kryukov

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    Nelek
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    That with the final sleed is not so important. I would consider more the "skip presentation" option. That can really be helpfull for the users.

    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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      That with the final sleed is not so important. I would consider more the "skip presentation" option. That can really be helpfull for the users.

      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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      Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov
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      Nelek, Thank you for sharing the ideas! There can be many things to think about. The issue with skipping is that you need to have some information on what to skip. This information can be the presentation frame itself. Maybe you did not pay attention: such a frame can already be skipped at any time, even if a video, based on an external video file, is playing. I still don't want to get away from a single file conception (the system is a single file, and the other files belong to the user). I also don't want to get far away from having just a list of external files of different types in a directory. It should always remain a primary usage pattern, the most basic and quick one. Also, in case you are thinking of something more complicated than that: the presentation users always see the same screen the presenter works with, there is nothing hidden. I am not at all trying to dismiss your suggestions. Just the opposite: I want to understand. I think the idea of the last frame (or first frame because you also can move backward) could be a valuable option. Perhaps, with the skipping, I haven't grasped the idea. Thank you.

      —SA

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      • S Southmountain

        my team will have a presentation soon and I have one slide in the PPT. I am thinking about how to share a good story for my use case. any tips or recommendations?

        diligent hands rule....

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        Jay Nelson
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        It is all about the audience and the message you are trying to convey. What you say and how you say things to a group of developers is much different than mid-level management. The terms you use and the level of detail needs to be appropriate for the people that will consume it. So, start with the point you are trying to convey. Then ask what is a meaningful way to talk about that point to the audience. That will get you going in the right direction. Good Luck!

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        • S Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov

          Nelek, Thank you for sharing the ideas! There can be many things to think about. The issue with skipping is that you need to have some information on what to skip. This information can be the presentation frame itself. Maybe you did not pay attention: such a frame can already be skipped at any time, even if a video, based on an external video file, is playing. I still don't want to get away from a single file conception (the system is a single file, and the other files belong to the user). I also don't want to get far away from having just a list of external files of different types in a directory. It should always remain a primary usage pattern, the most basic and quick one. Also, in case you are thinking of something more complicated than that: the presentation users always see the same screen the presenter works with, there is nothing hidden. I am not at all trying to dismiss your suggestions. Just the opposite: I want to understand. I think the idea of the last frame (or first frame because you also can move backward) could be a valuable option. Perhaps, with the skipping, I haven't grasped the idea. Thank you.

          —SA

          Sergey A Kryukov

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          Nelek
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          Ok. I now got it, the animation is actually an extern file (i.e. *.WebP) so you can't jump to "the last line" of it. Forget it then... ------------- The final slide would be more a sort of "BOOL execute once = TRUE", you don't need to make the "end slide" because this is responsibility of the user. But if I were going to use it, I would like to be sure that a not planed click doesn't start it over again... that could look a bit unprofessional depending on the audience. So the "execute once" would be a nice thing to avoid it.

          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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            Ok. I now got it, the animation is actually an extern file (i.e. *.WebP) so you can't jump to "the last line" of it. Forget it then... ------------- The final slide would be more a sort of "BOOL execute once = TRUE", you don't need to make the "end slide" because this is responsibility of the user. But if I were going to use it, I would like to be sure that a not planed click doesn't start it over again... that could look a bit unprofessional depending on the audience. So the "execute once" would be a nice thing to avoid it.

            M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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            Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov
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            Nelek, Thank you for the clarification.

            Nelek wrote:

            the animation is actually an external file (i.e. *.WebP) so you can't jump to “the last line” of it...

            Not quite. The animation comes in several ways: 1) animated bitmap file (for example, multi-layered (animated) .webp, 2) animated SVG, 3) just video, such as .WebP, that is, any media files, representable by a browser. If the video frame type is specified, it is done not directly, but by placing in a standard <video> element. Therefore, all these presentation frames (not to be confused with video frames) could be navigated to the next or previous presentation frame, at any time. But that's not all. The presentation doesn't have to be an external file. Also, it could be some HTML section, identified by the system by some simple rules, and that HTML fragment can be either static or it can use CSS animation. But CSS-animated HTML content is nothing more than just a state of a Web page, so it also can be navigated to the next or previous presentation frame. In fact, during the presentation, no one can even see the difference in the nature of the presentation frames. The only exception is the characteristic look of a <video> element with its well-known controls, but only it is not operating in a full-screen mode. I would say, all the power I see in this approach is its uniform behavior of all frames, no matter what is their nature. Thank you for the discussion again. I'll greatly appreciate any notes, ideas, suggestions, and especially any criticism. Thank you.

            —SA

            Sergey A Kryukov

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            • S Southmountain

              my team will have a presentation soon and I have one slide in the PPT. I am thinking about how to share a good story for my use case. any tips or recommendations?

              diligent hands rule....

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              here is a story with all the necessary elements . The bishop the priest and the ladle story[^]

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                my team will have a presentation soon and I have one slide in the PPT. I am thinking about how to share a good story for my use case. any tips or recommendations?

                diligent hands rule....

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                englebart
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                How it helps the business/ end user succeed. How much money it saves(productivity) or generates in new business revenue. How little it cost to implement in relation to previous items.

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                • N Nelek

                  Nice thing. I'll check it a bit more in depth when I get time for it, right now I am just bookmarking your post. A small feedback from what I saw: - In "life Demo" (the html one) you have a Typo in the slide after the bird video. You have "a" twice "A a cross platform..." - In both demos: No final slide, it is and endless loop (if intentionally done like this, then I say nothing) Additionally... (In powerpoint) If a slide has presentations that might take time and you need to skip them because you are needing longar than needed, the first click makes the slide to its final form. The second click makes next. If you click once in your presentations you jump to the next slide, without seeing the end slide and might miss things that should be shown. Might be a worthy modification (maybe another shortcut for that?)

                  M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                  Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov
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                  Nelek, Thank you again for the typo reporting! It took time to find time for that, and it took 7 (!) GitHub commits to getting it right because the typo also infiltrated in several places: 1) in both presentations, 2) not only in text, but also in graphical objects, and 3) in both articles themselves: [Web Presentation, an Application in a Single File, now with Video](https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5286790/Web-Presentation-an-Application-in-a-Single-File-n) [Web Presentation, the Other Way Around](https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5290221/Web-Presentation-the-Other-Way-Around) I also credited your reporting in both articles. Thank you.

                  —SA

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                  • S Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov

                    Nelek, Thank you again for the typo reporting! It took time to find time for that, and it took 7 (!) GitHub commits to getting it right because the typo also infiltrated in several places: 1) in both presentations, 2) not only in text, but also in graphical objects, and 3) in both articles themselves: [Web Presentation, an Application in a Single File, now with Video](https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5286790/Web-Presentation-an-Application-in-a-Single-File-n) [Web Presentation, the Other Way Around](https://www.codeproject.com/Articles/5290221/Web-Presentation-the-Other-Way-Around) I also credited your reporting in both articles. Thank you.

                    —SA

                    Sergey A Kryukov

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                    Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov wrote:

                    Thank you again for the typo reporting!

                    You are very welcome

                    Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov wrote:

                    I also credited your reporting in both articles.

                    Thank you, although it would not have bothered me not to. At the end was only a typo, nothing technical.

                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                    • N Nelek

                      Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov wrote:

                      Thank you again for the typo reporting!

                      You are very welcome

                      Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov wrote:

                      I also credited your reporting in both articles.

                      Thank you, although it would not have bothered me not to. At the end was only a typo, nothing technical.

                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                      Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov
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                      Nelek wrote:

                      At the end was only a typo, nothing technical.

                      Even though it is true, there are some unwritten rules of politeness in publications. Thank you.

                      —SA

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                      • S Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov

                        Nelek wrote:

                        At the end was only a typo, nothing technical.

                        Even though it is true, there are some unwritten rules of politeness in publications. Thank you.

                        —SA

                        Sergey A Kryukov

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                        Nelek
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                        OK. Then I will just say "Thank you" and shut up :-D

                        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                        • N Nelek

                          OK. Then I will just say "Thank you" and shut up :-D

                          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                          Sergey Alexandrovich Kryukov
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                          :-)

                          Sergey A Kryukov

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