the Apple faithful gather soon for new revelations
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at my time 12 midnight. i won't watch: not a Mac anything in my hardware. as a former paid up apple fanbois, twenty years ago, i do appreciate the quality/design and innovation$ what do you expect to see if you watch ?
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People to start complaining that their previous generation phone has slowed down ... and Apple to shrug and say "Buy a new one"
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People to start complaining that their previous generation phone has slowed down ... and Apple to shrug and say "Buy a new one"
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OriginalGriff wrote:
and Apple to shrug and say "Buy a new one"
"And here's a gizmo ($24.95) you can place on your new USB cable ($19.95 separate purchase) to improve its performance. The Apple USB cables are superior to others, so you really should only buy them to get the best out of your device. The gizmo will not work as well on non-Apple cables." - or something to that effect.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
and Apple to shrug and say "Buy a new one"
"And here's a gizmo ($24.95) you can place on your new USB cable ($19.95 separate purchase) to improve its performance. The Apple USB cables are superior to others, so you really should only buy them to get the best out of your device. The gizmo will not work as well on non-Apple cables." - or something to that effect.
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Like the people who buy oxygen-free copper cables for their car stereos because it conducts better!
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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at my time 12 midnight. i won't watch: not a Mac anything in my hardware. as a former paid up apple fanbois, twenty years ago, i do appreciate the quality/design and innovation$ what do you expect to see if you watch ?
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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at my time 12 midnight. i won't watch: not a Mac anything in my hardware. as a former paid up apple fanbois, twenty years ago, i do appreciate the quality/design and innovation$ what do you expect to see if you watch ?
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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Like the people who buy oxygen-free copper cables for their car stereos because it conducts better!
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
oxygen-free copper cables for their car stereos
Or for any purpose, really... But for a car, in particular? Cars aren't exactly the ideal listening environment to start with. I haved a neighbor - describing himself as an audiophile - who bought gold-plated USB cables going from his PC's dedicated audio card (you don't really see these anymore) to his high-end receiver. I asked him whether the 1s were sharper and the 0s were rounder. He didn't know what to reply. This is a guy who also had a $3,000 MP3 player and was looking at the $4,500 upgraded version. I didn't even know these devices existed, let alone a market for them... [Edit] I hope his hearing was better than his sight. He was colorblind, and his TV was "calibrated" (ahem) with a distinctively pink-ish tone.
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Like the people who buy oxygen-free copper cables for their car stereos because it conducts better!
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Have you ever priced audiophile USB cables? It's one of the best giggles out there :laugh: .
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Richard Andrew x64 wrote:
oxygen-free copper cables for their car stereos
Or for any purpose, really... But for a car, in particular? Cars aren't exactly the ideal listening environment to start with. I haved a neighbor - describing himself as an audiophile - who bought gold-plated USB cables going from his PC's dedicated audio card (you don't really see these anymore) to his high-end receiver. I asked him whether the 1s were sharper and the 0s were rounder. He didn't know what to reply. This is a guy who also had a $3,000 MP3 player and was looking at the $4,500 upgraded version. I didn't even know these devices existed, let alone a market for them... [Edit] I hope his hearing was better than his sight. He was colorblind, and his TV was "calibrated" (ahem) with a distinctively pink-ish tone.
dandy72 wrote:
But for a car, in particular?
Are you not aware of the practice of putting 3000 watt stereos into automobiles with giant, thumping subwoofers?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I expect Apple to claim USB-C as something they invented.
Gaslighting the world...:mad::mad::mad:
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at my time 12 midnight. i won't watch: not a Mac anything in my hardware. as a former paid up apple fanbois, twenty years ago, i do appreciate the quality/design and innovation$ what do you expect to see if you watch ?
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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at my time 12 midnight. i won't watch: not a Mac anything in my hardware. as a former paid up apple fanbois, twenty years ago, i do appreciate the quality/design and innovation$ what do you expect to see if you watch ?
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
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at my time 12 midnight. i won't watch: not a Mac anything in my hardware. as a former paid up apple fanbois, twenty years ago, i do appreciate the quality/design and innovation$ what do you expect to see if you watch ?
«The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled» Plutarch
"The new iPhone is out, we just have some teething problems with the antenna at the moment so you will either need to use the iPhone under water or you will need to carry it around in a bottle of water. Rest assured it's nothing to do with the iPhone itself, we are in discussion with the electromagnetic spectrum creator to get them to fix things at their end..."
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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dandy72 wrote:
But for a car, in particular?
Are you not aware of the practice of putting 3000 watt stereos into automobiles with giant, thumping subwoofers?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Loudness != quality My point was that a rolling car is just about the last place you want to be to listen to something if you are serious about sound quality. And yes, I've seen cars with speakers so huge, if you place them facing the back of the car, they can help push it forward and achieve better mileage...
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Loudness != quality My point was that a rolling car is just about the last place you want to be to listen to something if you are serious about sound quality. And yes, I've seen cars with speakers so huge, if you place them facing the back of the car, they can help push it forward and achieve better mileage...
I didn't realize you were making an assertion. I thought you were saying there is no such thing.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Like the people who buy oxygen-free copper cables for their car stereos because it conducts better!
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
But at least now I know such silliness exists. One of the articles I found on it. Probably some bias in the conclusions (given the business) but it is readable. Oxygen Not Included - Are Oxygen-Free Cables Worth the Added Cost? - Westlake Pro[^]
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But at least now I know such silliness exists. One of the articles I found on it. Probably some bias in the conclusions (given the business) but it is readable. Oxygen Not Included - Are Oxygen-Free Cables Worth the Added Cost? - Westlake Pro[^]
I have talked with HiFi buffs who stay awake through the night to listen to music on their systems, because "The electric power has higher quality after midnight, more stable voltage and less electric noise". Also, I have an old HiFi catalog where a power cable (i.e. to the wall outlet) is offered at NOK 23,999 - almost USD 2500. (The catalog is about 15 years old. At that time, NOK was much stronger, so the amount would be USD 4500. You may add 50% inflation to that.) The people selling stuff like that, at those prices, either truly believe in it themselves, or they are extremely good actors (/salesmen). To me it seems like they actually do believe.
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I have talked with HiFi buffs who stay awake through the night to listen to music on their systems, because "The electric power has higher quality after midnight, more stable voltage and less electric noise". Also, I have an old HiFi catalog where a power cable (i.e. to the wall outlet) is offered at NOK 23,999 - almost USD 2500. (The catalog is about 15 years old. At that time, NOK was much stronger, so the amount would be USD 4500. You may add 50% inflation to that.) The people selling stuff like that, at those prices, either truly believe in it themselves, or they are extremely good actors (/salesmen). To me it seems like they actually do believe.
:laugh: With those prices, maybe it's time for a career change!
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I didn't realize you were making an assertion. I thought you were saying there is no such thing.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Loudness != quality My point was that a rolling car is just about the last place you want to be to listen to something if you are serious about sound quality. And yes, I've seen cars with speakers so huge, if you place them facing the back of the car, they can help push it forward and achieve better mileage...
dandy72 wrote:
Loudness != quality
Actually, that is wrong, from a subjective point of view :-) It is well known that if you set up two 100% identical systems, but adjust one to play 1 to 2 dB louder than the other, in a blind test a listening panel will not hear the loudness difference, but will describe the louder system as having a firmer bass and a more distinctive upper middle range. The salesmen know that very well. Notice that when you are out shopping for a new stereo system, speakers or whatever, the salesman presents the more expensive alternative (i.e. the one he want to sell), he cranks up the level a little tiny bit when he tells you to listen closely for the bass clarity, or the middle and upper range quality. Many years ago, there was a craze in the HiFi world about green felt tip pens: You could buy these super expensive pens to color the edges of your CDs to improve the sound quality. You had to use these special expensive pens: They were the exact complimentary color to the infrared laser. (Green being a complimentary color of IR????) One of my friends, an electronics engineer, laughed wildly about this. But as a scientist, he wanted to verify that it was plain BS. So he made a setup with two CD players to the same amplifier, same speakers, and two identical copies of the same CD, except that one had its edge painted with this super-expensive green felt tip pen. When he switched between the two inputs, changing nothing else, he was slightly shocked: The green-painted copy certainly did sound firmer in the bass, and more distinct in the upper middle tones. He knew that it was crazy, it couldn't be the case, and set out to find the explanation. As an EE guy, he had available all sorts of meters, and it didn't take him long to discover that the output from the CD player with the "green" CD was slightly more than 1 dB higher than the other one. 1 dB is not discernible as a loudness difference. He added a small resistor to the cable, to bring the signal level down to that of the other CD player. Now it impossible to distinguish about the two CDs. The subjective difference was solely caused by the very slight loudness difference, not perceived as such. This little experience suggested an obvious verification test: He removed the level correcting resistor, but switched the CDs in the players: Now the un-green CD was in the player with the higher signal output, the green in the one with the lower signal. Now the un-gre
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dandy72 wrote:
Loudness != quality
Actually, that is wrong, from a subjective point of view :-) It is well known that if you set up two 100% identical systems, but adjust one to play 1 to 2 dB louder than the other, in a blind test a listening panel will not hear the loudness difference, but will describe the louder system as having a firmer bass and a more distinctive upper middle range. The salesmen know that very well. Notice that when you are out shopping for a new stereo system, speakers or whatever, the salesman presents the more expensive alternative (i.e. the one he want to sell), he cranks up the level a little tiny bit when he tells you to listen closely for the bass clarity, or the middle and upper range quality. Many years ago, there was a craze in the HiFi world about green felt tip pens: You could buy these super expensive pens to color the edges of your CDs to improve the sound quality. You had to use these special expensive pens: They were the exact complimentary color to the infrared laser. (Green being a complimentary color of IR????) One of my friends, an electronics engineer, laughed wildly about this. But as a scientist, he wanted to verify that it was plain BS. So he made a setup with two CD players to the same amplifier, same speakers, and two identical copies of the same CD, except that one had its edge painted with this super-expensive green felt tip pen. When he switched between the two inputs, changing nothing else, he was slightly shocked: The green-painted copy certainly did sound firmer in the bass, and more distinct in the upper middle tones. He knew that it was crazy, it couldn't be the case, and set out to find the explanation. As an EE guy, he had available all sorts of meters, and it didn't take him long to discover that the output from the CD player with the "green" CD was slightly more than 1 dB higher than the other one. 1 dB is not discernible as a loudness difference. He added a small resistor to the cable, to bring the signal level down to that of the other CD player. Now it impossible to distinguish about the two CDs. The subjective difference was solely caused by the very slight loudness difference, not perceived as such. This little experience suggested an obvious verification test: He removed the level correcting resistor, but switched the CDs in the players: Now the un-green CD was in the player with the higher signal output, the green in the one with the lower signal. Now the un-gre
trønderen wrote:
from a subjective point of view
And that's exactly that, subjective. Of course a system that plays louder will sound "better" than one that doesn't play as loud. But is it representative of fidelity? To make fair comparisons, you'd test two different systems at the same volume. Otherwise it's apples and oranges. I don't remember ever reading any review in a stereo magazine that didn't ensure that was the case. And before you say I'm now contradicting myself, when I initially wrote "louder != better", I meant it's not a valid comparison if you're trying to make one. Otherwise I have crappy speakers I could sell... :-)
