Social thing... Do you have similar shit discussions in your country?
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I wonder how many CPians are just staying out of this, since this is a huge soapbox issue?
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I'm surprised the thread even got this far and I am expecting to have my bank account closed, to be denounced by my government and to face a struggle session just for posting this :laugh:
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I'm sorry the idiocy of the American Left has infected Switzerland. Our left simply doesn't understand basic biology.
I think the world is more complex than "left" and / or "right" ... which neither side seems to grasp.
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It was an advisory with some suggestions.
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It might be an advisory, but when people can get sued for lingual discrimination only because you used the generic term (THAT STILL IS IN THE OFFICIAL GRAMATIC) or you get forced to write using the new idiotic forms to include all "genders" what actually makes technical documentation almost unreadable... or... or... they are definitivelly not only suggestions. Don't get me wrong, I do not defend the use of the masculine as generic. I would be equally happy writing a sentence at the beginning and saying "for readability we are going to use only the femenine across the whole document". What bugs me is to have to use "Lerher(n):in-nen" to say "teachers" referring me to "teacher singular [m](plural [m]):singular(f)-plural(f)" = combination of "Lehrer, Lehrern, Lehrerin, Lehrerinnen" because to use the generic masculine form "Lehrern" to englobe all is discriminatory / sexist. And yes, I have already got a document rejected due to not properly using "gendern", the german word to write that monstruosity that not even are "regulated. Some would write it as I did, others write it as "Lehrer_innen", others "Lehrern:innen"... You read a sentence and have to remove al that crap mentally to get the actual sense of what you are reading. In this case I envy english, the gramatic is way easier with mostly only one word for both and distinguising only between singular and plurar. You spare a big headache.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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That a little bit, more though I don't have the time nor energy to expend on an argument that won't change anyone's mind, and the Soapbox no longer exists.
I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.
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I wonder how many CPians are just staying out of this, since this is a huge soapbox issue?
Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors - and miss. Lazarus Long, "Time Enough For Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
One thing AI does, is make you think harder about what you say in order to get past the "classification" that either accepts or rejects one's contributions based on who's AI is moderating the discussion / posting.
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
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I'm sorry the idiocy of the American Left has infected Switzerland. Our left simply doesn't understand basic biology.
obermd wrote:
I'm sorry the idiocy of the American Left has infected Switzerland. Our left simply doesn't understand basic biology.
Believe me... that is not only about the american left. Spanish one is in some things worse than american.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I wonder how many CPians are just staying out of this, since this is a huge soapbox issue?
Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors - and miss. Lazarus Long, "Time Enough For Love" by Robert A. Heinlein
We would actually might talk about many things, if the threads remained calm and civilized. So far, it was like this. Yes, it usually degenerates pretty fast. Hey, maybe we have matured... (yeah, I am a bit idealist I know) :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Germany here... yes. It is :doh: :doh: :doh: :sigh: :sigh: :sigh: Most of the people I know neither support it. I always say the same, in the nature there are only 3 genders. Male, Female and Hermaphrodite (!= Transsexual). All other things are sexual orientations. Everyone can have fun (or not have anything) with whoever / whatever they want. I do respect them, as long they don't come with that bullsh1t.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
3 genders
It is strange for me. We studies that the gender is an behavioural attribute. Sex is anatomical attribute. So, I would imagine sex would be male, female and anything else that biology approves. Gender could be masculine or feminine. So to me there could be a masculine female or feminine female. And sure give labels to these but they cannot be gender or sex. Orientation is again completely different thing in my little mind. I have no idea if this is acceptable or scientifically correct in today's world.
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Nelek wrote:
3 genders
It is strange for me. We studies that the gender is an behavioural attribute. Sex is anatomical attribute. So, I would imagine sex would be male, female and anything else that biology approves. Gender could be masculine or feminine. So to me there could be a masculine female or feminine female. And sure give labels to these but they cannot be gender or sex. Orientation is again completely different thing in my little mind. I have no idea if this is acceptable or scientifically correct in today's world.
"It is easy to decipher extraterrestrial signals after deciphering Javascript and VB6 themselves.", ISanti[^]
dan!sh wrote:
So, I would imagine sex would be male, female and anything else that biology approves. Gender could be masculine or feminine.
if that the correct usage for the words, then thank you for the explanation. I have used it wrong. Using this definition my sentence would be: There are 3 sexes: Male, Female and Hermaphrodits and 2 genders: masculine and femenine (maybe 3 if you consider neutrum too**). What these people usually promote are sexual orientations. ** German gramatic uses all 3. i.e. Der (m) Jung = The boy Das (n) Kind = the child (you can use it for a girl or a boy) Das (n) Mädchen = the girl (can be used with a kid, teenie or young adult) Die (f) Frau = The woman
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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The city of Zurich wants to help parents with questions about raising children: The city's mothers and fathers advice service sends out a newsletter every two months with tips for parents of children up to the age of five. The latest edition is also dedicated to “gender-sensitive education”. And that doesn't go down well with everyone. As a newpaper (“NZZ”) reports, parents are advised, among other things, to avoid using the terms mother and father when talking about other families. There are neutral terms as alternatives. Instead of “Rachel’s mom,” it could be “Rachel’s parent” or “Rachel’s caregiver.” Children are also more neutral than boys or girls. I'm ashamed for my country, Switzerland :(( [Edit] A minority seems to be demanding something here. But I'm pretty sure it's not this minority of people who are uncertain about their gender who are demanding this. It's more the class of politicians who are 'so compatible' with everything and want to appear in the spotlight.
Simple FIX we get a syndicated show on TV or Social Media where Politicians get 10 min to spew views. Call it "Trash & Garbage View's" Guest moderator from various communities that pick the subject to discuss. Inflate the number of viewers to entice said participants. YEP no one watches but said participants think they are reaching constituents. WIN WIN we don't watch and they get to talk
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Same here in the UK. A recent communicatiom suggested the term "vagina" be replaced by "bonus hole". I despair of the idiots in charge.
What is the bonus? :confused:
Cheers, Vikram.
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What is the bonus? :confused:
Cheers, Vikram.
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It might be an advisory, but when people can get sued for lingual discrimination only because you used the generic term (THAT STILL IS IN THE OFFICIAL GRAMATIC) or you get forced to write using the new idiotic forms to include all "genders" what actually makes technical documentation almost unreadable... or... or... they are definitivelly not only suggestions. Don't get me wrong, I do not defend the use of the masculine as generic. I would be equally happy writing a sentence at the beginning and saying "for readability we are going to use only the femenine across the whole document". What bugs me is to have to use "Lerher(n):in-nen" to say "teachers" referring me to "teacher singular [m](plural [m]):singular(f)-plural(f)" = combination of "Lehrer, Lehrern, Lehrerin, Lehrerinnen" because to use the generic masculine form "Lehrern" to englobe all is discriminatory / sexist. And yes, I have already got a document rejected due to not properly using "gendern", the german word to write that monstruosity that not even are "regulated. Some would write it as I did, others write it as "Lehrer_innen", others "Lehrern:innen"... You read a sentence and have to remove al that crap mentally to get the actual sense of what you are reading. In this case I envy english, the gramatic is way easier with mostly only one word for both and distinguising only between singular and plurar. You spare a big headache.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
I mean, being sued is different than this. I'm simply speaking to the advisory that was sent out. Not any legislation that would give legal teeth to such things. As far as I'm concerned, people are free to be thoughtless.
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0x01AA wrote:
Switzerland
Other topic. I am now on a visit to some countries in Europe, with my wife. Today and tomorrow we are in Switzerland. Jungfrau trip today and on to St. Moritz tomorrow. Yesterday we were in Rhine Falls boat ride. Beautiful country, very scenic and friendly people.
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The idiots didn't bother to expalin it, assuming that the rest of the population was as stupid as them. :rolleyes:
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The city of Zurich wants to help parents with questions about raising children: The city's mothers and fathers advice service sends out a newsletter every two months with tips for parents of children up to the age of five. The latest edition is also dedicated to “gender-sensitive education”. And that doesn't go down well with everyone. As a newpaper (“NZZ”) reports, parents are advised, among other things, to avoid using the terms mother and father when talking about other families. There are neutral terms as alternatives. Instead of “Rachel’s mom,” it could be “Rachel’s parent” or “Rachel’s caregiver.” Children are also more neutral than boys or girls. I'm ashamed for my country, Switzerland :(( [Edit] A minority seems to be demanding something here. But I'm pretty sure it's not this minority of people who are uncertain about their gender who are demanding this. It's more the class of politicians who are 'so compatible' with everything and want to appear in the spotlight.
If I had a young kid, I'd advise him/her/them/they to go into the field of psychology, because there will be a lot of him/her/them/they's that will be needing therapy from not knowing who is their mom and who is their dad, having grown up with their parents being "parent" or "caregiver." X|
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0x01AA wrote:
The city's mothers and fathers parents
FTFY :) IMAO, as far as sex is concerned, XY == boy/man; XX == girl/woman. The tiny fraction of people who are neither (XXY, XYY, etc.) should be classified according to their external sexual organs. This leaves an even tinier fraction who have both or neither, who should be classified as they wish to be classified. As far as sexual orientation is concerned, as long as you don't do it in the street and frighten the horses... Now, if only everyone were as logical as me... :-\
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The city of Zurich wants to help parents with questions about raising children: The city's mothers and fathers advice service sends out a newsletter every two months with tips for parents of children up to the age of five. The latest edition is also dedicated to “gender-sensitive education”. And that doesn't go down well with everyone. As a newpaper (“NZZ”) reports, parents are advised, among other things, to avoid using the terms mother and father when talking about other families. There are neutral terms as alternatives. Instead of “Rachel’s mom,” it could be “Rachel’s parent” or “Rachel’s caregiver.” Children are also more neutral than boys or girls. I'm ashamed for my country, Switzerland :(( [Edit] A minority seems to be demanding something here. But I'm pretty sure it's not this minority of people who are uncertain about their gender who are demanding this. It's more the class of politicians who are 'so compatible' with everything and want to appear in the spotlight.
This topic has had such a MAJOR response, I am pretty sure someone else has replied in the way I am about to. Here's my 2cents anyway. 1) People can't help how they are made. They should be treated with dignity and respect. However, they should not push the way they are made on anyone else. 2) There is a big stink here about Trans-gender male athletes participating in women's sports where, due to their genetic makeup as male, they have a decided edge. 3) Most of this is due to the liberal media pushing the concepts mentioned in the original post. 4) I am neither conservative nor liberal. I believe people should only be treated/judged based on what they do, not anything else. 5) Political correctness is a crock. 6) This is absolutely, definitely NOT the world I grew up in. :sigh:
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Nelek wrote:
3 genders
It is strange for me. We studies that the gender is an behavioural attribute. Sex is anatomical attribute. So, I would imagine sex would be male, female and anything else that biology approves. Gender could be masculine or feminine. So to me there could be a masculine female or feminine female. And sure give labels to these but they cannot be gender or sex. Orientation is again completely different thing in my little mind. I have no idea if this is acceptable or scientifically correct in today's world.
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dan!sh wrote:
gender is an behavioural attribute. Sex is anatomical attribute
Gender is anatomical, genetic, based on genes -- though it's more complex than that, it's not simply the X and Y chromosomes. Sex is an act, a process for reproduction, which in humans requires an XX person and an XY person. Sexuality (and Orientation) is behavior and attitudes (even in the absence of action).
dan!sh wrote:
masculine or feminine
Are merely social norms and are flexible through time and space depending on the society. For the most part they are bullcrap and should be ignored, they're just another way the man tries to keep us down.
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Same here in the UK. A recent communicatiom suggested the term "vagina" be replaced by "bonus hole". I despair of the idiots in charge.
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
A recent communicatiom suggested the term "vagina" be replaced by "bonus hole
No it didn't. That was just what some media claimed it said. The original source was stating that some people were using that term. It was not claiming it should be used instead. Similar to what the urban dictionary might do in providing a definition.