How often do you change Web Browsers?
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There's only two browsers I've ever commited to: - IE - Edge (Chromium-based, I couldn't stand the previous version and ignored it throughout its entire lifetime) I don't know why people complain about MS trying hard to get people to move from Chrome to Edge. Whenever I visit Google properties, I get as many incessant popups trying to convince me to switch to Chrome. Google isn't any less annoying.
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I don't know why people complain about MS trying hard to get people to move from Chrome to Edge. Whenever I visit Google properties, I get as many incessant popups trying to convince me to switch to Chrome. Google isn't any less annoying.
Windows is likely preinstalled on their machine, that's why they complain. You only get google popups if you deliberately visit a google site. You get Windows popups just by turning on the machine. You don't get that difference? To opt out of google popups, just don't visit certain sites. To opt out of Windows popups (i.e. switch OSes), you have to change your whole workflow, then do without the applications you previously used which weren't portable, then learn how to use your new OS (good luck if you're moving to MacOS, which has a primitive but pretty UI). You don't see the difference?
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I have most web browsers installed so I can test, even though most are Chromium these days... Half the icons on my task bar are web browsers, both Windows and MacOS. I'm actually enjoying "Opera One developer". It has a few extra features baked in that other Chromium browsers don't.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
Graeme_Grant wrote:
I have most web browsers installed so I can test
Ditto. Professionally, my group develops on Edge as that is the organization standard, and it works fine. We test on Chrome and Firefox. The ancient application we replaced a year+ ago ran ONLY on IE (yeah, it was that old) and pre-Win10, the org standard was IE. We cheered when that changed, and cheered again when the customer agreed we didn't need to support IE!!! On my Android phone I use DuckDuckGo, and occasionally Bing. I don't use Chrome for anything. On my personal PCs, I use Vivaldi (Chrome clone) as my primary, with Edge and Firefox installed and used occasionally. I don't have Chrome installed. It's weird, but I trust Microsoft more than Google. This doesn't mean I trust MS; rather that I see MS as the lesser evil, even if not by much.
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I have attempted to use FireFox exclusively for years now. It's a non-Chrome engine. It has a feature which allows you to watch videos while you do other things -- quite convenient. Anyway, recently FireFox has locked up my Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS desktop completely -- did it three different times. I moved back to Brave (which is seen by the world as Chrome). Do you switch browsers? Which browsers do you use?
I switched to Opera couple years ago, never looked back.
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I have attempted to use FireFox exclusively for years now. It's a non-Chrome engine. It has a feature which allows you to watch videos while you do other things -- quite convenient. Anyway, recently FireFox has locked up my Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS desktop completely -- did it three different times. I moved back to Brave (which is seen by the world as Chrome). Do you switch browsers? Which browsers do you use?
I'm locked into the Chrome ecosystem for better or worst - probably worse. But syncing everything across all my devices with basically one transparent service is just too appealing to me.
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I was not aware of this, using Firefox exclusively for just a month now (on a windows box btw). Googling Firefox freezes PC permanently at unpredictable times, forcing me to force-restart pc | Firefox Support Forum | Mozilla Support[^] puts it at hardware (graphics) hardware acceleration. Did you try this? Perhaps video watching suffers, haven't tried.
Thanks a ton for posting that. I searched for any related news and couldn't find it. I'm always interested in root causes of issues like this one. It's quite terrible because my machine would lock but I could still hear video playing in the background but once it locks like this there is no escape. A long, long time ago on an OS far away (NT 4.0) I had a graphics problem that occurred the same way. The graphics would freeze making you think the machine was frozen but it was just the graphics card so I thought it might be something like that. Thanks again.
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I have most web browsers installed so I can test, even though most are Chromium these days... Half the icons on my task bar are web browsers, both Windows and MacOS. I'm actually enjoying "Opera One developer". It has a few extra features baked in that other Chromium browsers don't.
Graeme
"I fear not the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time, but I fear the man that has practiced one kick ten thousand times!" - Bruce Lee
Graeme_Grant wrote:
I'm actually enjoying "Opera One developer".
It's good to hear someone mention Opera. I used it quite extensively back in 2010-2012 time period, but then there was one site (probably my most important site) where it wouldn't work. Oreilly.com (where I'm a subscriber to tech books online). At the time it wouldn't render books properly and I couldn't read in Opera so I gave up on it. I need to try it again, because I did like the browser quite well.
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I switched to Opera couple years ago, never looked back.
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I'm locked into the Chrome ecosystem for better or worst - probably worse. But syncing everything across all my devices with basically one transparent service is just too appealing to me.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
honey the codewitch wrote:
But syncing everything across all my devices with basically one transparent service is just too appealing to me.
Yeah, I totally understand that. I think Chrome did that first and it is really great so you can open a tab on a different device later on than the one you originally opened it on. FF has it's own way of doing that (and of course you need yet another account) but it works really great. And, they don't use the data to track you which is nice. Brave does this also and without the tracking. It's difficult to break the ecosystem because they are so convenient but quite a few years ago I was on Android phone, Chrome browser, Google Docs, Google Search and I thought it was too much. Now I use an iphone, DuckDuckGo, Brave to break it up.
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honey the codewitch wrote:
But syncing everything across all my devices with basically one transparent service is just too appealing to me.
Yeah, I totally understand that. I think Chrome did that first and it is really great so you can open a tab on a different device later on than the one you originally opened it on. FF has it's own way of doing that (and of course you need yet another account) but it works really great. And, they don't use the data to track you which is nice. Brave does this also and without the tracking. It's difficult to break the ecosystem because they are so convenient but quite a few years ago I was on Android phone, Chrome browser, Google Docs, Google Search and I thought it was too much. Now I use an iphone, DuckDuckGo, Brave to break it up.
I am one of the most boring "consumers" on the Internet. They can track me all they want. Ain't gonna do anything useful with it. "Wow, honey is browsing codeproject... again"
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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Very few people mention Opera. I used it back in 2010-2012 quite extensively but it didn't support one important site (oreilly books) for me and I gave up on it. It was a really nice browser even then. I need to try it out again.
It's very solid and fast, I've got zero complaints.
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I have attempted to use FireFox exclusively for years now. It's a non-Chrome engine. It has a feature which allows you to watch videos while you do other things -- quite convenient. Anyway, recently FireFox has locked up my Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS desktop completely -- did it three different times. I moved back to Brave (which is seen by the world as Chrome). Do you switch browsers? Which browsers do you use?
I mostly (98%) run Brave, with some use of Vivaldi when I want 2 sites on the screen. Keep Firefox for rare occasions when the others don't render. Now making me wonder about Opera, ran it years ago.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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I have attempted to use FireFox exclusively for years now. It's a non-Chrome engine. It has a feature which allows you to watch videos while you do other things -- quite convenient. Anyway, recently FireFox has locked up my Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS desktop completely -- did it three different times. I moved back to Brave (which is seen by the world as Chrome). Do you switch browsers? Which browsers do you use?
I use FF mostly. Been using it for more than 8 years. I have Chrome installed, and use it occasionally for Google App stuff and sometimes when a site doesn’t function properly with FF. I loaded Vivaldi, It has an email client interface that I use on the rare occasion that I want to check an account that won’t add to Outlook. Of course, I have Edge, but frown and cuss when it gets called from a clicked link.
Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events. - Manly P. Hall Mark Just another cog in the wheel
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I use FF mostly. Been using it for more than 8 years. I have Chrome installed, and use it occasionally for Google App stuff and sometimes when a site doesn’t function properly with FF. I loaded Vivaldi, It has an email client interface that I use on the rare occasion that I want to check an account that won’t add to Outlook. Of course, I have Edge, but frown and cuss when it gets called from a clicked link.
Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events. - Manly P. Hall Mark Just another cog in the wheel
Mark Starr wrote:
Edge, but frown and cuss when it gets called from a clicked link.
Yes, recently that new "feature" they added where if you click a link from Outlook client then Edge says, "Hey, you clicked the link from Outlook so we'll make Edge your default browser for that." is annoying. Now you not only have a "default" system browser, but you have a "default" browser when link clicked from Outlook. Great, MS. We want one default. Imagine if every application that you clicked a link from tried to make a different default browser. No thanks.
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I don't know why people complain about MS trying hard to get people to move from Chrome to Edge. Whenever I visit Google properties, I get as many incessant popups trying to convince me to switch to Chrome. Google isn't any less annoying.
Windows is likely preinstalled on their machine, that's why they complain. You only get google popups if you deliberately visit a google site. You get Windows popups just by turning on the machine. You don't get that difference? To opt out of google popups, just don't visit certain sites. To opt out of Windows popups (i.e. switch OSes), you have to change your whole workflow, then do without the applications you previously used which weren't portable, then learn how to use your new OS (good luck if you're moving to MacOS, which has a primitive but pretty UI). You don't see the difference?
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You get Windows popups just by turning on the machine.
Never in Windows have I seen a popup urging me to switch to Edge without at least launching a browser. There's a "Show Suggestions" somewhere in Windows Settings, which has nothing to do with browsers, and is easy enough to turn off and is rather effective at keeping it quiet - maybe that's what you're thinking about (and not turning off)?
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To opt out of google popups, just don't visit certain sites.
...which is a complete nonstarter if you're using their services and have no say in that (such as your employer mandating their use). Your suggestion to otherwise switch OSes is comparing apples with oranges.
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I use SeaMonkey for all websites that permit and chrome for all others. I don't change much. At my crotchety age I hate change. This was typed on windows 7.
So far I have been able to block Edge from loading on my Windows 7 64 bit Work Station but not on my Windows 7 32 bit Laptop This dance is complete stupidity on my part In Chrome I do a Settings -> Privacy & Security -> Clear Browsing Data Then Open my IE pre-installed icon and Clear History then Safety -> Delete Browsing History What I find Odd is if I don't clobber Browsing Data in Chrome IE starts with info telling me to download Edge I have been playing with SwissCows and StartPage Search results are a little odd but because I started with Netscape everything is ODD Entered on my Windows 7 64 bit World Class OS
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I have attempted to use FireFox exclusively for years now. It's a non-Chrome engine. It has a feature which allows you to watch videos while you do other things -- quite convenient. Anyway, recently FireFox has locked up my Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS desktop completely -- did it three different times. I moved back to Brave (which is seen by the world as Chrome). Do you switch browsers? Which browsers do you use?
I used chrome for some years, but fot proposes of security begin to use FF and it has been excellent!
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I have attempted to use FireFox exclusively for years now. It's a non-Chrome engine. It has a feature which allows you to watch videos while you do other things -- quite convenient. Anyway, recently FireFox has locked up my Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS desktop completely -- did it three different times. I moved back to Brave (which is seen by the world as Chrome). Do you switch browsers? Which browsers do you use?
My main browser is Vivaldi but I do have to switch every now and then. There's a financial site I use and the only browser that lets me login is Edge. Chrome, Firefox and Vivaldi just don't work there. Seems weird that Edge will work but Chrome and Vivaldi won't. Aren't they all based upon Chromium?
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I have attempted to use FireFox exclusively for years now. It's a non-Chrome engine. It has a feature which allows you to watch videos while you do other things -- quite convenient. Anyway, recently FireFox has locked up my Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS desktop completely -- did it three different times. I moved back to Brave (which is seen by the world as Chrome). Do you switch browsers? Which browsers do you use?
Last 10 years i used Opera and I'm not going to change it yet
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Last 10 years i used Opera and I'm not going to change it yet
Glad to hear someone mentioning Opera. After switching to Brave (again) from FF, I'm starting to get settled in, but I'm going to check out Opera and see how it runs on : * Linux desktop, * iPad Pro * windows 10 I wonder if it has features for "sharing" open tabs like other browsers? Probably does.
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I have attempted to use FireFox exclusively for years now. It's a non-Chrome engine. It has a feature which allows you to watch videos while you do other things -- quite convenient. Anyway, recently FireFox has locked up my Ubuntu 22.04.2 LTS desktop completely -- did it three different times. I moved back to Brave (which is seen by the world as Chrome). Do you switch browsers? Which browsers do you use?
You mean as my default, regular work web browser? I think the last time I switched in that sense was in 2004, when I started to use Firefox. Before that, I had used Opera for a couple of years after Netscape died when AOL bought them off. Never had any serious issue with Firefox, certainly much less than with any other browser pretender. Only issue that I encountered was that when they changed their API for browser extensions, a couple of add-ons didn't work anymore and the re-designed ones, using the new API, never created the same functionality. But that's where Waterfox (Classic) came to the rescue... ;)
