Where are the intelligent people?
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MacGyver intelligence: "how do you roll up a blind when all you have is a fork?"
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
Hold it against someone's throat and tell them to roll up the blind?
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Seriously, it's not FB and it's not here... save for one or two peeps. Or maybe they're smart enough to avoid the lounge, and I'm not. Willing to accept I'm not the intelligent one here. :laugh: I always thought about looking into Mensa, but I'm not so sure that's worth it to be honest. Maybe I should reevaluate. For real though, looking for intelligent peeps so I can have a higher quality of chat. Online bickering with ignorance isn't fulfilling anymore. There's no advancement in that. It's actually revolting and disgusting in my view. Maybe I'm not being realistic or perhaps I'm too immature to simply ignore the clowns. Will accept that because I seem to attract them. Just want to know where the intelligent people are because so far, they're very, very rare it seems. Btw, if you say you're intelligent you're not. And if this offends you, you're also not.
Jeremy Falcon
On Stack Overflow, closing issues as 'redundant,' or giving other reasons... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Seriously, it's not FB and it's not here... save for one or two peeps. Or maybe they're smart enough to avoid the lounge, and I'm not. Willing to accept I'm not the intelligent one here. :laugh: I always thought about looking into Mensa, but I'm not so sure that's worth it to be honest. Maybe I should reevaluate. For real though, looking for intelligent peeps so I can have a higher quality of chat. Online bickering with ignorance isn't fulfilling anymore. There's no advancement in that. It's actually revolting and disgusting in my view. Maybe I'm not being realistic or perhaps I'm too immature to simply ignore the clowns. Will accept that because I seem to attract them. Just want to know where the intelligent people are because so far, they're very, very rare it seems. Btw, if you say you're intelligent you're not. And if this offends you, you're also not.
Jeremy Falcon
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100%... I'd extend that to say that it takes two people to talk though. As for me, whether or not this makes me "dumb"... I've lost patience with a lot of immature people who just argue and rattle off stupid nonsense. I admit I'm jaded though. There's just only so many years a person can watch the same crap happen over and over before it gets old.
Jeremy Falcon
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Mike Hankey wrote:
didn't know which end of a screw driver was the usable end.
Both ends are usable for different tasks. Failing to recognize that a tool may be used for more than one task shows a lack of intelligence. I frequently use the butt end of a screwdriver to push small nails into the wall to hang pictures. In fact, when I use a hammer to put a small nail in the wall, I use the handle, not the head. The butt end of a screwdriver is also useful for inserting model railroad spikes. I was thinking about this again just yesterday in regards to an argument I was having which is essentially "can be used like" does not equal "is like". To wit, stating that a screwdriver can be used like a hammer is not the same as stating that a screwdriver is like a hammer or that they are equivalent. It kind of came down to a point where I would characterize the other party's assertion as "two sets are equivalent if the intersection of the sets is not the null set" -- which is patently untrue. In other words, both a hammer and a screwdriver can be used to put small screws in a wall to hang pictures, but that doesn't make them equivalent, each can be used for other tasks. A hammer can be used as a screwdriver only in the crudest sense, not very effectively. If one could carry only a screwdriver or a hammer, the screwdriver is likely to be the better choice due to its flexibility.
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Seriously, it's not FB and it's not here... save for one or two peeps. Or maybe they're smart enough to avoid the lounge, and I'm not. Willing to accept I'm not the intelligent one here. :laugh: I always thought about looking into Mensa, but I'm not so sure that's worth it to be honest. Maybe I should reevaluate. For real though, looking for intelligent peeps so I can have a higher quality of chat. Online bickering with ignorance isn't fulfilling anymore. There's no advancement in that. It's actually revolting and disgusting in my view. Maybe I'm not being realistic or perhaps I'm too immature to simply ignore the clowns. Will accept that because I seem to attract them. Just want to know where the intelligent people are because so far, they're very, very rare it seems. Btw, if you say you're intelligent you're not. And if this offends you, you're also not.
Jeremy Falcon
I am more interested in how kind people are than how smart they are. But you're right. I joined an online banter group and the right wing filth in there worked out I have morals and started to mass report my accounts to get them deleted. My attempts at finding basic friendship are always frustrated by the fact I have morals
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You have an IQ of 132+? (Mensa)
"Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I
If I say yes... would it be believable? If I say no... would it be believable still? :-\ You should know my bias... I think the concept of an IQ has serious flaws. There is more than one type of intelligence. It also fluctuates, as in the IQ isn't static throughout a person's life. Not to mention, different tests use different scoring systems and so on. But humans are humans, and we need something quantifiable to explain to average folks what cannot be comprehended. So, I'll just say it like this... I can pass whatever dinky test they throw my way, and I've taken IQ tests in the past as a child and adult. Not official tests at a center or anything, but from books and so on (except for one but I don't trust that place), and it was always around 150+ depending on the test. To be fair, I was young and less depressed, so preliminary aging (via depression) can take its toll should I score lower now. But, I'm willing to bet, worst case scenario, I could pass it after a few tries at least. But, I don't like labels and numbers. They're not static anyway. It's a system of classification that excludes. I get it though... people want something to measure.
Jeremy Falcon
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dandy72 wrote:
Are you?
Nope. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Sadly, there's a reason screwdrivers come with a warning saying not to use them as a hammer or a chisel.
Oh, yeah, I forgot about that time I used a screwdriver when I was too lazy to go get a chisel. I don't recall seeing any such warning.
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DerekT-P wrote:
Meetings were chaotic, childish
So it's like CP? :laugh:
DerekT-P wrote:
primarily to act as a vehicle for getting drunk or laid or both
Ok, so it's not like CP. :laugh:
DerekT-P wrote:
Didn't renew my membership. Maybe it was just that group, maybe things have changed.
Thanks for this. This was also my concern. I see IQ tests as mental mast********, but I also like the idea of weeding out the fluff. Go figure.
Jeremy Falcon
IQ doesn't measure intelligence. IT's a circle jerk
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Seriously, it's not FB and it's not here... save for one or two peeps. Or maybe they're smart enough to avoid the lounge, and I'm not. Willing to accept I'm not the intelligent one here. :laugh: I always thought about looking into Mensa, but I'm not so sure that's worth it to be honest. Maybe I should reevaluate. For real though, looking for intelligent peeps so I can have a higher quality of chat. Online bickering with ignorance isn't fulfilling anymore. There's no advancement in that. It's actually revolting and disgusting in my view. Maybe I'm not being realistic or perhaps I'm too immature to simply ignore the clowns. Will accept that because I seem to attract them. Just want to know where the intelligent people are because so far, they're very, very rare it seems. Btw, if you say you're intelligent you're not. And if this offends you, you're also not.
Jeremy Falcon
I learned a long time ago to read a lot of books. That's where I find "intelligent" people. These book are some of my favorites and I've read them all at least once - most of them I've read numerous times. If you read all of these and need more, I've got them. :) Here's a list of books that I highly recommend: Range: Why Generalists Triumph in a Specialized World[^] Turns modern ideas upside down and will make you think again about what learning is and why it's important to learn tons of stuff that normally doesn't belong together. Do Hard Things: Why We Get Resilience Wrong and the Surprising Science of Real Toughness[^] Gets to the root of how motivation works. Explains the modern problems that people are having with being resilient. Will open your eyes in many ways. The story from the author is fantastic one of achievement even while becoming overwhelmed by life.
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Seriously, it's not FB and it's not here... save for one or two peeps. Or maybe they're smart enough to avoid the lounge, and I'm not. Willing to accept I'm not the intelligent one here. :laugh: I always thought about looking into Mensa, but I'm not so sure that's worth it to be honest. Maybe I should reevaluate. For real though, looking for intelligent peeps so I can have a higher quality of chat. Online bickering with ignorance isn't fulfilling anymore. There's no advancement in that. It's actually revolting and disgusting in my view. Maybe I'm not being realistic or perhaps I'm too immature to simply ignore the clowns. Will accept that because I seem to attract them. Just want to know where the intelligent people are because so far, they're very, very rare it seems. Btw, if you say you're intelligent you're not. And if this offends you, you're also not.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
For real though, looking for intelligent peeps so I can have a higher quality of chat.
Not interested, sorry.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Btw, if you say you're intelligent you're not
Her name is Tiffany, and you might want to read Pratchett. I'm not bright, nor intelligent. Who says you need be, to become hag of the hills?
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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dandy72 wrote:
Are you?
Nope. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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On Stack Overflow, closing issues as 'redundant,' or giving other reasons... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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So true!! I have an SO story that still burns deeply. I once posted a question to electronics.stackexchange.com (the most ruthless of all SO/SE sites) and I was asking : Why is it that capacitors with lower farad ratings often go up on Voltage rating. I had searched and searched for the answer. I really wanted to know the answer. I wrote up extra info and was very curios. Some editor deleted my question so that I couldn't even see the question again. It was just closed but it was deleted. I took like 20 minutes researching and writing it up and they freaking deleted it!!! Still kills me. :mad::mad::mad::mad:
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Maximilien wrote:
The few people I know that were mensa, were not pleasant, mostly large ego and obnoxious.
That's been my concern as well. It would be worse, not better. IQ tests aren't perfect (diff discussion for a diff day) but they can most certainly give a false sense of something.
Maximilien wrote:
if you want to have a quality chat on various topics, find local groups with in-person meetings.
Easier than said than done. I've ran meetup groups before, and I used to check them out. While people don't bicker and argue as much in person, you're not always meeting a genius.
Maximilien wrote:
Also, being intelligent is different than being informed and be able to talk about stuff.
Yeah. There's more than one type of intelligence though. I totally agree; I would just extend that concept of saying a person that can chat coherently is expressing a different kind of intelligence ya know.
Maximilien wrote:
Again, I know a lot of people who are intelligent but only in their fields, they are not curious about anything else.
I used to think this, but no longer do. I don't define knowledgeable as intelligent. To me, being intelligent takes a certain amount of introspection that a lot of people don't have. Granted, others may refer to this as wisdom, but after years of talking to non-introspective peeps I'm no longer convinced they're even intelligent by the classic definition. I'm jaded man. :laugh:
Maximilien wrote:
Good luck.
Thanks buddy.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
IQ tests aren't perfect (diff discussion for a diff day) but they can most certainly give a false sense of something.
They are wrong, according to them I should be half genious and I know I am not.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
While people don't bicker and argue as much in person, you're not always meeting a genius.
Genious tend to be a bit difficult socially, being that much "ahead" mostly isolates them from a good part of people.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Yeah. There's more than one type of intelligence though. I totally agree;
:thumbsup:
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I would just extend that concept of saying a person that can chat coherently is expressing a different kind of intelligence ya know.
is that not actually eloquence?
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I don't define knowledgeable as intelligent.
Not the only one thinking this
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
To me, being intelligent takes a certain amount of introspection that a lot of people don't have.
Do not forget the ability to observe, to analyze and to adapt to the surroundings / current situation. I find that the most important part of intelligence.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Granted, others may refer to this as wisdom
For me wisdom is the hability to use the knowledge the proper way.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Based on the current lot, I suspect not. There's one thing to be incompetent; another thing entirely to be so blatantly obviously incompetent and easily exposed. I know a couple of MPs and they're dedicated, hard-working, talented and very intelligent. Whilst they hold various portfolios I suspect they're too intelligent to rise any higher.
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DerekT-P wrote:
Whilst they hold various portfolios I suspect they're too intelligent to rise any higher.
Probably because the ones that rise are mostly not the intelligent, but the charismatic who move masses.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Seriously, it's not FB and it's not here... save for one or two peeps. Or maybe they're smart enough to avoid the lounge, and I'm not. Willing to accept I'm not the intelligent one here. :laugh: I always thought about looking into Mensa, but I'm not so sure that's worth it to be honest. Maybe I should reevaluate. For real though, looking for intelligent peeps so I can have a higher quality of chat. Online bickering with ignorance isn't fulfilling anymore. There's no advancement in that. It's actually revolting and disgusting in my view. Maybe I'm not being realistic or perhaps I'm too immature to simply ignore the clowns. Will accept that because I seem to attract them. Just want to know where the intelligent people are because so far, they're very, very rare it seems. Btw, if you say you're intelligent you're not. And if this offends you, you're also not.
Jeremy Falcon
What topics would you find sufficiently stimulating to spend time on?
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Gary Wheeler wrote:
I've never sought out intelligent people, other than those who were intelligent at getting along with others. I've encountered plenty of smart people whose intelligence was wasted because they were first-order asshats.
I think you hit the nail on the head man. And I see that getting along with folks takes a certain amount of both and also some introspection. You can be "dumb smart" as in you know a lot about a subject, but that's just being a parrot and repeating crap you memorize. Doesn't mean that person is a genius, etc. At best they'd be better than average about one particular subject only.
Gary Wheeler wrote:
As I've gotten older I've realized "smarts" aren't as important as the ability to get along, understand another's viewpoint, and to recognize that answers for me may not work for someone else.
Agree buddy... well in theory. Don't think I'm mature enough to just ignore the fluff yet. Thar be a lot of it. And ultimately that's what's driving this sense of isolation I get. Like, I dunno about you, but even on CP I know I have very little in common with most people here. Once you've experience some things, you just know who lacks it ya know. And it's a lot of peeps. So, really hard to talk about something that you know for the rando on the only end is completely clueless about, but they swear they're not. I'm learning to avoid it man... just reeeeeeaaaalllly slowly. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
but even on CP I know I have very little in common with most people here
That doesn't imply that there are not intelligent people here or that you are more intelligent as us :rolleyes:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Mike Hankey wrote:
I've known PHDs that didn't know which end of a screw driver was the usable end. I've know expert carpenters that couldn't tell you who Einstein was.
I think what you're describing there is more education than intelligence.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Or knowledge?
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Mensa is weird. The few people I know that were mensa, were not pleasant, mostly large ego and obnoxious. if you want to have a quality chat on various topics, find local groups with in-person meetings. Also, being intelligent is different than being informed and be able to talk about stuff. Again, I know a lot of people who are intelligent but only in their fields, they are not curious about anything else. Good luck.
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Probably smart enough to stay off the Internet.
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