French language resources for C++ ?
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Are there good French language resources for C++ ? Websites ? Youtube channels ? Conferences ? I know that [cppreference.com](https://fr.cppreference.com/w/Accueil) has a French translation. Thanks.
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[Rant] You're in Quebec, right? Please don't take this the wrong way, but as an outsider looking in (I'm in Ontario but regularly watch the news from Quebec): Get rid of all your politicians who push the French propaganda. All of them - they're not doing their constituents any favor. They'll have you believe if you learn English, then somehow French is at a disadvantage and it'll eventually disappear from la belle province. You can learn English without anyone's French being affected *at all*. Many countries teach kids many languages (and more than just French and English) - I think you'll have a hard time finding anyone who'll claim their mother tongue has somehow been diminished as a result. I've always believed, if you don't learn English in this country, you're placing yourself at a disadvantage. I know English is taught in Quebec schools, but they hold up their noses and *abhor* teaching it, so they do the absolute minimum and certainly don't encourage anyone to do more outside the school curriculum (like, read a book, or go see a movie in its original language). I'm familiar with your posts here on CP, and frankly I can't hold anything against you - your English is pretty darn good, and if you speak with an accent, then it's not coming through in writing - more power to you. But the fact that you have to ask, tells me something's still inadequate. Or maybe you're asking on someone else's behalf - but the point still remains, if the only language you speak is an impediment towards learning a programming language - you're facing two uphill battles, not one. I get annoyed every time I see those commercials where different people keep repeating, "ici, on travaille en francais". My reaction is always: sorry for your lost opportunities then. I've had this conversation with many friends in Quebec. They rarely disagree - none of this is their fault, this is what the schools are teaching. To which always say, then throw your politicians out, they're the ones making decisions on your behalf. They'll have you believe French is in a big decline right now in Quebec. I've never seen anyone ever offer any numbers to demonstrate it. As a voter, insist on having your schools teach the skillsets you need to compete. They're holding you back. [/Rant]
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Are there good French language resources for C++ ? Websites ? Youtube channels ? Conferences ? I know that [cppreference.com](https://fr.cppreference.com/w/Accueil) has a French translation. Thanks.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
Wait, there's still people learning C++?
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Wait, there's still people learning C++?
...or [French](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwODwwgE6rA)? :-D
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...or [French](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwODwwgE6rA)? :-D
HAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAAA!!!!
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[Rant] You're in Quebec, right? Please don't take this the wrong way, but as an outsider looking in (I'm in Ontario but regularly watch the news from Quebec): Get rid of all your politicians who push the French propaganda. All of them - they're not doing their constituents any favor. They'll have you believe if you learn English, then somehow French is at a disadvantage and it'll eventually disappear from la belle province. You can learn English without anyone's French being affected *at all*. Many countries teach kids many languages (and more than just French and English) - I think you'll have a hard time finding anyone who'll claim their mother tongue has somehow been diminished as a result. I've always believed, if you don't learn English in this country, you're placing yourself at a disadvantage. I know English is taught in Quebec schools, but they hold up their noses and *abhor* teaching it, so they do the absolute minimum and certainly don't encourage anyone to do more outside the school curriculum (like, read a book, or go see a movie in its original language). I'm familiar with your posts here on CP, and frankly I can't hold anything against you - your English is pretty darn good, and if you speak with an accent, then it's not coming through in writing - more power to you. But the fact that you have to ask, tells me something's still inadequate. Or maybe you're asking on someone else's behalf - but the point still remains, if the only language you speak is an impediment towards learning a programming language - you're facing two uphill battles, not one. I get annoyed every time I see those commercials where different people keep repeating, "ici, on travaille en francais". My reaction is always: sorry for your lost opportunities then. I've had this conversation with many friends in Quebec. They rarely disagree - none of this is their fault, this is what the schools are teaching. To which always say, then throw your politicians out, they're the ones making decisions on your behalf. They'll have you believe French is in a big decline right now in Quebec. I've never seen anyone ever offer any numbers to demonstrate it. As a voter, insist on having your schools teach the skillsets you need to compete. They're holding you back. [/Rant]
:confused::confused::confused::confused: I'm just looking for French language resources for c++. The same way a german might want to have german language resources for C++ or a Brazilian would want to have portuguese resources.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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[Rant] You're in Quebec, right? Please don't take this the wrong way, but as an outsider looking in (I'm in Ontario but regularly watch the news from Quebec): Get rid of all your politicians who push the French propaganda. All of them - they're not doing their constituents any favor. They'll have you believe if you learn English, then somehow French is at a disadvantage and it'll eventually disappear from la belle province. You can learn English without anyone's French being affected *at all*. Many countries teach kids many languages (and more than just French and English) - I think you'll have a hard time finding anyone who'll claim their mother tongue has somehow been diminished as a result. I've always believed, if you don't learn English in this country, you're placing yourself at a disadvantage. I know English is taught in Quebec schools, but they hold up their noses and *abhor* teaching it, so they do the absolute minimum and certainly don't encourage anyone to do more outside the school curriculum (like, read a book, or go see a movie in its original language). I'm familiar with your posts here on CP, and frankly I can't hold anything against you - your English is pretty darn good, and if you speak with an accent, then it's not coming through in writing - more power to you. But the fact that you have to ask, tells me something's still inadequate. Or maybe you're asking on someone else's behalf - but the point still remains, if the only language you speak is an impediment towards learning a programming language - you're facing two uphill battles, not one. I get annoyed every time I see those commercials where different people keep repeating, "ici, on travaille en francais". My reaction is always: sorry for your lost opportunities then. I've had this conversation with many friends in Quebec. They rarely disagree - none of this is their fault, this is what the schools are teaching. To which always say, then throw your politicians out, they're the ones making decisions on your behalf. They'll have you believe French is in a big decline right now in Quebec. I've never seen anyone ever offer any numbers to demonstrate it. As a voter, insist on having your schools teach the skillsets you need to compete. They're holding you back. [/Rant]
This is so uncalled for! Such an answer to a very polite and legitimate question and, moreover, coming from a fellow Canadian? You might have had a bad day but still... Also I don't see how your post is not infringing on house rules (the stuff about no trolling). :thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Mircea
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Are there good French language resources for C++ ? Websites ? Youtube channels ? Conferences ? I know that [cppreference.com](https://fr.cppreference.com/w/Accueil) has a French translation. Thanks.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Are there good French language resources for C++ ? Websites ? Youtube channels ? Conferences ? I know that [cppreference.com](https://fr.cppreference.com/w/Accueil) has a French translation. Thanks.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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:confused::confused::confused::confused: I'm just looking for French language resources for c++. The same way a german might want to have german language resources for C++ or a Brazilian would want to have portuguese resources.
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Maximilien wrote:
The same way a german might want to have german language resources for C++
I've given similar advice there; learn English and use an international keyboard. It gives you access to more resources; CodeProject, SO, MSDN - all English. Also makes sharing code across borders a lot easier. Even if you're from a country where English is being taught in school, it is an easy language to learn. And that it works is proven by your English question, getting answers from a lot of non-native English speakers. (Which includes American and Australian).
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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This is so uncalled for! Such an answer to a very polite and legitimate question and, moreover, coming from a fellow Canadian? You might have had a bad day but still... Also I don't see how your post is not infringing on house rules (the stuff about no trolling). :thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:
Mircea
Mircea Neacsu wrote:
You might have had a bad day but still...
Please don't assume you can attribute this to me having "a bad day". This is something I see all the time, and every time, you'll get the same response - it infuriates me. I love my Quebec compatriots, Quebec is literally right across the river from me, French is my mother tongue, I have many friends and family in Quebec, but I get annoyed every time I see their politicians doing something to deliberately hold them back from realizing their full potential. Scaring the population ("French is in decline!" has been their rallying cry) buys them votes. It's ugly.
Mircea Neacsu wrote:
Also I don't see how your post is not infringing on house rules (the stuff about no trolling).
It's not trolling if you truly feel the way I do. Trolling is goading someone, generally through a personal attack. This was NOT a personal attack, I thought that much was clear in my post. I was purely commenting on what should not be a necessary need to look for coding resources in French. You're limiting yourself to a very small subset of what's out there if that's all you can deal with. If you've detected anger in my post, it was directed at Quebec politicians, who -- as I wrote -- refuse to provide their population with the schooling they need to compete and succeed. Not too long ago, I had a discussion with the 80-something year old father of a friend of a friend, who lived all his life in Quebec. He would've loved to learn English beyond "hello", "yes", "no" and "I have a red pencil case". He felt he's missed opportunities because of it. We're on the same page. Granted, my answer was not directly useful to the original poster here. My goal was to get him thinking about why he needed to ask the question to begin with. Again, that's not a personal attack (in case I need to remind you).
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:confused::confused::confused::confused: I'm just looking for French language resources for c++. The same way a german might want to have german language resources for C++ or a Brazilian would want to have portuguese resources.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
...and as I wrote, being familiar with your contributions here in the lounge, I was surprised to see you ask for this - that's why I inquired whether this was for yourself, or you were asking on behalf of someone else. I truly hope that, unlike Mircea, you're not seeing any of this as a personal attack.
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Mircea Neacsu wrote:
You might have had a bad day but still...
Please don't assume you can attribute this to me having "a bad day". This is something I see all the time, and every time, you'll get the same response - it infuriates me. I love my Quebec compatriots, Quebec is literally right across the river from me, French is my mother tongue, I have many friends and family in Quebec, but I get annoyed every time I see their politicians doing something to deliberately hold them back from realizing their full potential. Scaring the population ("French is in decline!" has been their rallying cry) buys them votes. It's ugly.
Mircea Neacsu wrote:
Also I don't see how your post is not infringing on house rules (the stuff about no trolling).
It's not trolling if you truly feel the way I do. Trolling is goading someone, generally through a personal attack. This was NOT a personal attack, I thought that much was clear in my post. I was purely commenting on what should not be a necessary need to look for coding resources in French. You're limiting yourself to a very small subset of what's out there if that's all you can deal with. If you've detected anger in my post, it was directed at Quebec politicians, who -- as I wrote -- refuse to provide their population with the schooling they need to compete and succeed. Not too long ago, I had a discussion with the 80-something year old father of a friend of a friend, who lived all his life in Quebec. He would've loved to learn English beyond "hello", "yes", "no" and "I have a red pencil case". He felt he's missed opportunities because of it. We're on the same page. Granted, my answer was not directly useful to the original poster here. My goal was to get him thinking about why he needed to ask the question to begin with. Again, that's not a personal attack (in case I need to remind you).
While I understand (and partially share) the passion of your convictions, I think it's the wrong place to vent your opinions. Politics is a topic off-limits in the lounge, or so I understand it, and commenting about what politicians do is almost by definition politics.
dandy72 wrote:
My goal was to get him thinking about why he needed to ask the question to begin with.
I hope you aren't denying OP right to have his language preferences. That being said, let's leave it at that and eventually do what most Canadians do when slighted: say sorry and move along :)
Mircea
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...and as I wrote, being familiar with your contributions here in the lounge, I was surprised to see you ask for this - that's why I inquired whether this was for yourself, or you were asking on behalf of someone else. I truly hope that, unlike Mircea, you're not seeing any of this as a personal attack.
I have no issues with English resources; I've been working in English all my professional life (30 years) I just want to find French resources. If there are none, there are none; if there are some, I'd like to know them.
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I have no issues with English resources; I've been working in English all my professional life (30 years) I just want to find French resources. If there are none, there are none; if there are some, I'd like to know them.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
Fair enough. I just remember being very disappointed with the French programming books I was being offered or had to buy while in college. Very expensive (but then, aren't all college books?), and absolute crap. I had concluded back then that: (a) being a good programmer (b) being able to communicate clearly (c) in the language of your choice (d) actually wanting to write a book ...is a rare combination. I was always underwhelmed with the results.
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While I understand (and partially share) the passion of your convictions, I think it's the wrong place to vent your opinions. Politics is a topic off-limits in the lounge, or so I understand it, and commenting about what politicians do is almost by definition politics.
dandy72 wrote:
My goal was to get him thinking about why he needed to ask the question to begin with.
I hope you aren't denying OP right to have his language preferences. That being said, let's leave it at that and eventually do what most Canadians do when slighted: say sorry and move along :)
Mircea
Mircea Neacsu wrote:
the passion of your convictions
That's the wording I was looking for. I react this way, because I am passionate about this stuff. When I get into it - I've had people - IRL, not just in a forum - tell me to just let it slide; it's not like I should embark on my own crusade. While they're not wrong...this leads to the status quo. Well, okay. It shouldn't be my battle to fight.
Mircea Neacsu wrote:
I think it's the wrong place to vent your opinions.
I can't say you're wrong. This *is* politics, I couldn't spin it otherwise even if I wanted to, and I'm very well aware of CP's stance on the topic. So...yeah. :-/
Mircea Neacsu wrote:
I hope you aren't denying OP right to have his language preferences.
Absolutely not...but (as I suggested in one of my later responses to him), he should prepare himself to be disappointed. I have bad memories of my own time in college and the French programming books I was presented.
Mircea Neacsu wrote:
let's leave it at that and eventually do what most Canadians do when slighted: say sorry and move along
I *was* going to take exactly that position, but then, you're absolutely right - that would be such a Canadian thing for me to do. :-) Sorry, moving along. :-)
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Fair enough. I just remember being very disappointed with the French programming books I was being offered or had to buy while in college. Very expensive (but then, aren't all college books?), and absolute crap. I had concluded back then that: (a) being a good programmer (b) being able to communicate clearly (c) in the language of your choice (d) actually wanting to write a book ...is a rare combination. I was always underwhelmed with the results.
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Are there good French language resources for C++ ? Websites ? Youtube channels ? Conferences ? I know that [cppreference.com](https://fr.cppreference.com/w/Accueil) has a French translation. Thanks.
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
Certainly looks like there are books. Amazon.com[^] Following has good reviews - in french https://www.amazon.com/programmez-langage-Mathieu-Schaller-Matthieu/dp/B010GGJSNC/ref=sr_1_3?qid=1699466766&refinements=p_n_feature_nine_browse-bin%3A3291438011&s=books&sr=1-3[^]
