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  • C charlieg

    and it's all trying to push me to network storage, one drive, blah. Die you bastards.

    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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    I disconnect from the network at all times when I am not actively doing network operations (such as browsing CP). All my text editing, software development, photo/video editing etc. is done off line. I am still on Win10, with no plans to switch - which would require me to buy a new PC. I guess that even Win11 allows you to open 'Network connections' as a small window in the screen corner, and doubleclick it when your need to check something on the internet, and right click / Disable when that task is done. My first network experience was with 110 bps (!) modems. In those days, we pre-punched our emails on paper tape before calling the BBS, reading in our paper tape and having all mail from others, including entries in those BBS discussion forums that we participated in. Later, when modems reached 1200 bps, we could send emails stored in disk files, and others' discussion entries were stored directly on disk. So to me, being online only periodically works perfectly fine. I do not think that it limits my work at all. If I need any net service, it takes a doubleclick to open the net, and closing it is almost as simple. So rejecting that rather cloudy storage option is straightforward with me. Another thing is that some of my writings, and some of the photos from when I was the daddy of a little girl, would have to be encrypted if I were to store them in any cloudy storage. As long as I keep my family photo archive on offline disks, there is no real need to encrypt them. At least not in this country. If I were to move to GOC. I guess that I would have to encrypt even the disks in my home.

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      I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.

      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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      I can still USB my phone. I even have an app that lets me browse and download photos on my PC. Do you have a filthy iphone?

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        I disconnect from the network at all times when I am not actively doing network operations (such as browsing CP). All my text editing, software development, photo/video editing etc. is done off line. I am still on Win10, with no plans to switch - which would require me to buy a new PC. I guess that even Win11 allows you to open 'Network connections' as a small window in the screen corner, and doubleclick it when your need to check something on the internet, and right click / Disable when that task is done. My first network experience was with 110 bps (!) modems. In those days, we pre-punched our emails on paper tape before calling the BBS, reading in our paper tape and having all mail from others, including entries in those BBS discussion forums that we participated in. Later, when modems reached 1200 bps, we could send emails stored in disk files, and others' discussion entries were stored directly on disk. So to me, being online only periodically works perfectly fine. I do not think that it limits my work at all. If I need any net service, it takes a doubleclick to open the net, and closing it is almost as simple. So rejecting that rather cloudy storage option is straightforward with me. Another thing is that some of my writings, and some of the photos from when I was the daddy of a little girl, would have to be encrypted if I were to store them in any cloudy storage. As long as I keep my family photo archive on offline disks, there is no real need to encrypt them. At least not in this country. If I were to move to GOC. I guess that I would have to encrypt even the disks in my home.

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        Ron Anders
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        No, in the beginning was a db25 serial port, and thost made yer own cables man. And booted up the old pdp 11/70 by throwing pretty plastic pink and purple switches on or off in ancient octal. If you did that right and made your cable right minding rts and dtr handshakes if required, you might get the holy boot scriptures to come out on the teletype. Someone will come along and say how soft we had it doing the former and all about the punch cards. To the card punch coders, Dilly - Dilly!

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        • C charlieg

          I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.

          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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          Lost User
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          charlieg wrote:

          The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.

          That's what people want. Not elaborate host files, not lousy interfaces on their router, not having to remember passwords that require 12 chars with one being a capital, one a number, and at least one a non-char that is recognized. What people want, is what the manager demands, and what we deliver. It has nothing to do with us protecting anyone.

          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.

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          • C charlieg

            I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.

            Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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            Would iTunes File Sharing functionality help to move files between iPhone/iPad and Windows laptop, via USB cable. This is what i use. My iPad is seldom connected to Internet .(iTunes app installed on Windows machine).

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              Would iTunes File Sharing functionality help to move files between iPhone/iPad and Windows laptop, via USB cable. This is what i use. My iPad is seldom connected to Internet .(iTunes app installed on Windows machine).

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              ITunes felt like a noob tripping around in Windows land. I used it with the IPad Version 1 and that was the end of that.

              "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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              • L Lost User

                ITunes felt like a noob tripping around in Windows land. I used it with the IPad Version 1 and that was the end of that.

                "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                Amarnath S
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                As long as it works, it's okay, isn't it?

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                • C charlieg

                  I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.

                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                  charlieg
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                  the evil part - MS hides stuff under layers and layers of dialogs. It seems that they have redirected My Documents

                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                  • C charlieg

                    I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.

                    Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                    Roger Wright
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                    Charlie, old friend, you know better. In the Beginning, there was RS232... I hear ya... This useless Windows 11 won't even let me look at my local drive anymore; it only displays the OneDrive trash I can't seem to kill. Maybe it's finally time to learn Linux. I think we need to start thinking of MS as HAL, and treating them and their overbearing ways accordingly.:mad:

                    Will Rogers never met me.

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                    • C charlieg

                      I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.

                      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                      charlieg
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                      My iPhone - not that I'm an apple fan - that was a family decision and I'm going to leave that turd there. See the PS at the end. Seems over the years I've filled up my phone. Well, either I have or apple has or the cell company. See PSS. All I want to do is move the DCIM folder to my hard drive and free up my phone. I'm on round 3. Ps, I really could not give a $$$t about phones, no one calls me but spammers. Apparently, the only reason I need a cellphone is for two factor authentication. I am now cashing all my checks and putting it under my bed. Pps Seems the cell company acquired our provider, finally completed integration and my daughter received 8 text indicating payment was overdue (they lost the autopay...). Which is way, way too much but I digress. Seriously, I'm turning the sucker off, and that's not what I want to elephanting say.

                      Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                        My iPhone - not that I'm an apple fan - that was a family decision and I'm going to leave that turd there. See the PS at the end. Seems over the years I've filled up my phone. Well, either I have or apple has or the cell company. See PSS. All I want to do is move the DCIM folder to my hard drive and free up my phone. I'm on round 3. Ps, I really could not give a $$$t about phones, no one calls me but spammers. Apparently, the only reason I need a cellphone is for two factor authentication. I am now cashing all my checks and putting it under my bed. Pps Seems the cell company acquired our provider, finally completed integration and my daughter received 8 text indicating payment was overdue (they lost the autopay...). Which is way, way too much but I digress. Seriously, I'm turning the sucker off, and that's not what I want to elephanting say.

                        Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                        Roger Wright
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                        My first store-bought home computer was an Apple IIc. I couldn't wait to get rid of that trash, so I understand your frustration. I've never owned anything Apple since, and I never will.

                        Will Rogers never met me.

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                          Charlie, old friend, you know better. In the Beginning, there was RS232... I hear ya... This useless Windows 11 won't even let me look at my local drive anymore; it only displays the OneDrive trash I can't seem to kill. Maybe it's finally time to learn Linux. I think we need to start thinking of MS as HAL, and treating them and their overbearing ways accordingly.:mad:

                          Will Rogers never met me.

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                          charlieg
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                          you mother trucker. Old farts venting here. This one drive shit needs to be a class action suit. I'm still looking for where this POS OS put my damn folder.

                          Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                            As long as it works, it's okay, isn't it?

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                            Re: "as long as it works". I bought her a Kindle to spare her.

                            "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                              My first store-bought home computer was an Apple IIc. I couldn't wait to get rid of that trash, so I understand your frustration. I've never owned anything Apple since, and I never will.

                              Will Rogers never met me.

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                              All I every saw anyone use an Apple for (in an office environment) was desktop publishing. The "work" was done on PC's and mainframes.

                              "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                                All I every saw anyone use an Apple for (in an office environment) was desktop publishing. The "work" was done on PC's and mainframes.

                                "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                                In the beginning, I'll give them credit; their graphics were superb. Artsie-craftsie types loved them. But they've got nothing else to offer...

                                Will Rogers never met me.

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                                  I angry. In the past, I could plug in my phone and copy photos off of it to MY disk drive. Not today. Today, it gets automatically uploaded to the cloud on my Windows Pro 11 laptop. Anyway to stop it? Nope? Anyway to access the device itself? Working on it. The information sharing and pillaging is out of control.

                                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                  charlieg
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                                  for the record, it's not the iPhone. It's Micro$hit and Windows 11. I want to be blunt about this. Windows 11 hijacks things and moves it damn I don't know where.. I plugged my phone into my Windows 10 laptop, it mounted the iPhone like a device and I am now copying pictures from the past I had no idea I had. I type this on my Windows 11 laptop - Windows 11 Professional I might add - and I still don't know where my phone copy went. Irritated yes. Appalled? Exceedingly so. I feel a blog coming on. Oh it gets better Seems I can't scrub my iPhone like a folder, no, all of the folders under DCIM have some sort of protection (not compatible with Windows 10). What a steaming pile of refuse.

                                  Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                                    In the beginning, I'll give them credit; their graphics were superb. Artsie-craftsie types loved them. But they've got nothing else to offer...

                                    Will Rogers never met me.

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                                    Roger Wright wrote:

                                    But they've got nothing else to offer...

                                    Except they will offer - nay, demand! - to take a good chunk of cash off you!

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                                    • R Ron Anders

                                      No, in the beginning was a db25 serial port, and thost made yer own cables man. And booted up the old pdp 11/70 by throwing pretty plastic pink and purple switches on or off in ancient octal. If you did that right and made your cable right minding rts and dtr handshakes if required, you might get the holy boot scriptures to come out on the teletype. Someone will come along and say how soft we had it doing the former and all about the punch cards. To the card punch coders, Dilly - Dilly!

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                                      Alister Morton
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                                      I have a vague recollection that the 20mA current loop on the ASR33 I used at school had a different connector - possibly a DB9, and that was a relatively modern interface, having been introduced in the 60's.

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                                        All I every saw anyone use an Apple for (in an office environment) was desktop publishing. The "work" was done on PC's and mainframes.

                                        "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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                                        Alister Morton
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                                        I remember seeing bespoke financial packages (mainly bond, bill and other commercial paper valuation) being done on apple][ back in the day. It gave the desks some autonomy from the company mainframe and it's need for terminals (and dedicated teams of programmers on the end of the 'phone) and the PC was some way off yet.

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                                        • C Christian Graus

                                          I can still USB my phone. I even have an app that lets me browse and download photos on my PC. Do you have a filthy iphone?

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                                          Christian Graus wrote:

                                          I even have an app that lets me browse and download photos on my PC

                                          Which one ? One provided from the phone manufacturer, or third-party ? Browsing photo from the phone is taking ages for me (Android phone).

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