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The first discussion, titled "Q/A Edit Q, @PIEBALDconsult again".
Thanks again Richard! What I see in this discussion, are some polite adults having a difference of opinion and trying to find common ground. A place where all agree would be incredibly boring, but keeping disagreements within the bounds of civility, that is the true magic. Mircea
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First you should know that I'm a relative newcomer here. I registered a long time ago, don't even remember why, probably to ask a question, but then life happened and I had other things to do. I became more active only in the last 3 or 4 years and now I got hooked and hang around here, probably more than I should do. I've come to realize that this is a nice, decent and caring community and that begs the question: how is this possible? I a world full of trolling, hate and blustering, what is the magic sauce that allowed this oasis of respect and gentleness? Maybe the ones that have been here longer might have a clue. Maybe it's possible to spread that fairy dust in other places? Who knows?
Mircea
Moderators. Keep the signal to noise ratio in line. Audience: Has-been, will-be, are: techies.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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Moderators. Keep the signal to noise ratio in line. Audience: Has-been, will-be, are: techies.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
True, but ironic. As "nerds" many people see us as a group lacking social skills, yet we have an ethos in the lounge that many social media sites would envy, if only they knew!
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First you should know that I'm a relative newcomer here. I registered a long time ago, don't even remember why, probably to ask a question, but then life happened and I had other things to do. I became more active only in the last 3 or 4 years and now I got hooked and hang around here, probably more than I should do. I've come to realize that this is a nice, decent and caring community and that begs the question: how is this possible? I a world full of trolling, hate and blustering, what is the magic sauce that allowed this oasis of respect and gentleness? Maybe the ones that have been here longer might have a clue. Maybe it's possible to spread that fairy dust in other places? Who knows?
Mircea
I've been a member since 2001. I think the cultural success of CodeProject should be attributed first and foremost to Chris Maunder & company. Their ongoing tireless efforts to keep CP a useful place to come for technical information and assistance are amazing. At the same time they've managed to keep the site friendly without turning it into an online police state. They've also largely avoided the model used by other sites that member longevity implies you should be allowed to moderate site content. Longevity can mean you're devoted to a place you like, or that you've simply found a target-rich environment to spew vitriol. The CP membership does deserve some credit. Most of us try not to be asshats here. We've had our share of 'characters' (some of which are still here :-D) and outright trolls. The thing to notice is that the membership is always changing, yet the culture stays the course.
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True, but ironic. As "nerds" many people see us as a group lacking social skills, yet we have an ethos in the lounge that many social media sites would envy, if only they knew!
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Agree but lacking social skills beats having negative social skills. I have had some good experience in focused groups of Reddit and Discord, but haven't really spent much time there. Seems like the hate is most obnoxious when politics and such wander in. "You're wears army drawers". Too easy to be anonymous on the Internet.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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Agree but lacking social skills beats having negative social skills. I have had some good experience in focused groups of Reddit and Discord, but haven't really spent much time there. Seems like the hate is most obnoxious when politics and such wander in. "You're wears army drawers". Too easy to be anonymous on the Internet.
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
Now that's a phrase I've not come across before!
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"probably more than I should do" truth. In fact, this is a huge group of good people. I've been hear since 2000 or so. Back then I was in the middle of my career, now I'm winding down. Many are further ahead, retired, got bored (or finished their house repairs - looking at you Hankey) and are back now fiddling with projects and doing some small time consulting. You started a good post. There are a lot of REALLY smart and intelligent folks here, so don't go shooting your mouth off (looking at me). They will eat you alive in the lounge. Then again, these sharks are full of information and more than willing to share. :rose: PS - would really like to hear from John Simmons aka JSOP again.
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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PS - would really like to hear from John Simmons aka JSOP again.
Me, too, Charlie.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Now that's a phrase I've not come across before!
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When I was in the service, it was: "your grandmother wears army shorts". Childish? Of course. We had a lot of kids who hadn't completed high school. Today is far different (just like everything else).
>64 Some days the dragon wins. Suck it up.
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I've been a member since 2001. I think the cultural success of CodeProject should be attributed first and foremost to Chris Maunder & company. Their ongoing tireless efforts to keep CP a useful place to come for technical information and assistance are amazing. At the same time they've managed to keep the site friendly without turning it into an online police state. They've also largely avoided the model used by other sites that member longevity implies you should be allowed to moderate site content. Longevity can mean you're devoted to a place you like, or that you've simply found a target-rich environment to spew vitriol. The CP membership does deserve some credit. Most of us try not to be asshats here. We've had our share of 'characters' (some of which are still here :-D) and outright trolls. The thing to notice is that the membership is always changing, yet the culture stays the course.
Software Zen:
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First you should know that I'm a relative newcomer here. I registered a long time ago, don't even remember why, probably to ask a question, but then life happened and I had other things to do. I became more active only in the last 3 or 4 years and now I got hooked and hang around here, probably more than I should do. I've come to realize that this is a nice, decent and caring community and that begs the question: how is this possible? I a world full of trolling, hate and blustering, what is the magic sauce that allowed this oasis of respect and gentleness? Maybe the ones that have been here longer might have a clue. Maybe it's possible to spread that fairy dust in other places? Who knows?
Mircea
It is pretty visible that my mother's tongue was not queen's English. After few months of exposure to ..american.. English I realized that majority of verbal "instructions" are terminated with "...won't you?? " which I interpreted as "...I have given you instruction / answer , which was so obvious.... ". I believe the success of this forum is that MAJORITY OF participants are in the same boat, not English purists. PS for similar reason I value being called " amigo " or " bro " more than being called "friend".... and that is worth a buck...$
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It is pretty visible that my mother's tongue was not queen's English. After few months of exposure to ..american.. English I realized that majority of verbal "instructions" are terminated with "...won't you?? " which I interpreted as "...I have given you instruction / answer , which was so obvious.... ". I believe the success of this forum is that MAJORITY OF participants are in the same boat, not English purists. PS for similar reason I value being called " amigo " or " bro " more than being called "friend".... and that is worth a buck...$
Salvatore Terress wrote:
majority of verbal "instructions" are terminated with "...won't you?? "
Worse, a lot of instructions begin with "why don't you...?" E.g. Why don't you take out the trash while I do the dishes? -- Because I don't feel like it is why not.
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First you should know that I'm a relative newcomer here. I registered a long time ago, don't even remember why, probably to ask a question, but then life happened and I had other things to do. I became more active only in the last 3 or 4 years and now I got hooked and hang around here, probably more than I should do. I've come to realize that this is a nice, decent and caring community and that begs the question: how is this possible? I a world full of trolling, hate and blustering, what is the magic sauce that allowed this oasis of respect and gentleness? Maybe the ones that have been here longer might have a clue. Maybe it's possible to spread that fairy dust in other places? Who knows?
Mircea
Adding to Gary's answer: eliminating the Soapbox. Many liked the feature, but it definitely brought out the worst in some people. Chris unequivocally said "No" when that was closed. My hat is off to him for that decision.
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Adding to Gary's answer: eliminating the Soapbox. Many liked the feature, but it definitely brought out the worst in some people. Chris unequivocally said "No" when that was closed. My hat is off to him for that decision.
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Thank you! So far I’ve got two ingredients: enlightened moderation and the elimination of this “soapbox”. As I’ve said, I haven’t been around long enough to see how toxic this forum was. Is it still archived somewhere? I’d like to see it as a museum piece. Mircea
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Salvatore Terress wrote:
majority of verbal "instructions" are terminated with "...won't you?? "
Worse, a lot of instructions begin with "why don't you...?" E.g. Why don't you take out the trash while I do the dishes? -- Because I don't feel like it is why not.
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Answers to the "why don't you...?" question are rarely welcome.
"They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"
So I've found.
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Thank you! So far I’ve got two ingredients: enlightened moderation and the elimination of this “soapbox”. As I’ve said, I haven’t been around long enough to see how toxic this forum was. Is it still archived somewhere? I’d like to see it as a museum piece. Mircea
It's not archived here. Maybe archive.org, but I doubt it.
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First you should know that I'm a relative newcomer here. I registered a long time ago, don't even remember why, probably to ask a question, but then life happened and I had other things to do. I became more active only in the last 3 or 4 years and now I got hooked and hang around here, probably more than I should do. I've come to realize that this is a nice, decent and caring community and that begs the question: how is this possible? I a world full of trolling, hate and blustering, what is the magic sauce that allowed this oasis of respect and gentleness? Maybe the ones that have been here longer might have a clue. Maybe it's possible to spread that fairy dust in other places? Who knows?
Mircea
Mircea Neacsu wrote:
this oasis of respect and gentleness
Are you on a different CP? :~ I've been called stupid, a moron, a child killer... By active and "respected" members of the community no less. Luckily they've all been banned. The closing of the soapbox helped too. So maybe that's why it's so peaceful now. No politics or religion and rude members get a ban.
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Mircea Neacsu wrote:
this oasis of respect and gentleness
Are you on a different CP? :~ I've been called stupid, a moron, a child killer... By active and "respected" members of the community no less. Luckily they've all been banned. The closing of the soapbox helped too. So maybe that's why it's so peaceful now. No politics or religion and rude members get a ban.
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As I’ve said, I started hanging around rather recently so I haven’t seen all that venom. A few others have suggested that closing the soapbox was a good thing.
Mircea
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First you should know that I'm a relative newcomer here. I registered a long time ago, don't even remember why, probably to ask a question, but then life happened and I had other things to do. I became more active only in the last 3 or 4 years and now I got hooked and hang around here, probably more than I should do. I've come to realize that this is a nice, decent and caring community and that begs the question: how is this possible? I a world full of trolling, hate and blustering, what is the magic sauce that allowed this oasis of respect and gentleness? Maybe the ones that have been here longer might have a clue. Maybe it's possible to spread that fairy dust in other places? Who knows?
Mircea
In the 90's I used to belong to a service called BIX. It was Byte Magazine's online forums and attracted a lot of notable people in the computer and other industries. There was a lot of history going on. I remember a particular disccusion on discovering the then undocumented inner workings of MS-DOS to create robust Terminate and Stay Resident programs. It eventually was sold to the Delphi service and after a few years shut down as the Internet had a lot of free sites to offer with more friendly user interfaces. Code Project has a lot of the feeling for me.
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In the 90's I used to belong to a service called BIX. It was Byte Magazine's online forums and attracted a lot of notable people in the computer and other industries. There was a lot of history going on. I remember a particular disccusion on discovering the then undocumented inner workings of MS-DOS to create robust Terminate and Stay Resident programs. It eventually was sold to the Delphi service and after a few years shut down as the Internet had a lot of free sites to offer with more friendly user interfaces. Code Project has a lot of the feeling for me.
“CodeProject: where elephants programmers go to die!” How is that for a new tagline :laugh:
Mircea
