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  • C C P User 3

    If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people... 1. Binary Arithmetic 2. Boolean Algebra 3. Hexadecimal Arithmetic ...In what order would you present the concepts ? (That list is in alphabetical order to prevent any implied bias) Why do you feel that your chosen sequence makes more sense than others ?

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    jschell
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    C-P-User-3 wrote:

    If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people...

    Then my goal would be to find a different goal because that isn't going to work. Certainly I have seen programmers that can't figure even one of those out. I would not want to try with a group of specialized university mathematics professors. Perhaps university mathematics students since then still have generalized concepts in their head. But only the ones doing well in their class work.

    C-P-User-3 wrote:

    Boolean Algebra

    Not sure about the other two but I remember that this was an entire university semester long class that I took.

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    • C C P User 3

      If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people... 1. Binary Arithmetic 2. Boolean Algebra 3. Hexadecimal Arithmetic ...In what order would you present the concepts ? (That list is in alphabetical order to prevent any implied bias) Why do you feel that your chosen sequence makes more sense than others ?

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      I'd say binary first, since I recall teaching someone for their high school class ... after I had been out only a few years myself. (I was already programming by that time though I don't recall learning binary in HS). Of course, you ground them first with decimal, and how it relates. (With a side trip to Octal)

      "Before entering on an understanding, I have meditated for a long time, and have foreseen what might happen. It is not genius which reveals to me suddenly, secretly, what I have to say or to do in a circumstance unexpected by other people; it is reflection, it is meditation." - Napoleon I

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      • C C P User 3

        If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people... 1. Binary Arithmetic 2. Boolean Algebra 3. Hexadecimal Arithmetic ...In what order would you present the concepts ? (That list is in alphabetical order to prevent any implied bias) Why do you feel that your chosen sequence makes more sense than others ?

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        Arithmetics: Binary and Hex and this and that base is all the same. Only the base is different. E.g. adding two numbers based on 2 or 16 or 10 following the same scheme. Boolean Algebra: This is a different from the above and needs to be explained seperately. Here the operators are different. Operators like 'logical and', 'logical or', 'not', .... that are boolean operations and not arithmetic operators. Why it is different Let us have two boolean variables 'a' and 'b'. They can only have the values TRUE or FALSE. One fundamental law in Boolean algebra is: a AND b == NOT(NOT a OR NOT b) which is very different from arithmetics I think. Same is valid for e.g. a OR b == NOT(NOT a AND NOT b)

        *1) 'Arithmetic' example, more number representing for different bases

        I assume you know all these, therefore only as a basic idea how to start....

        In my opinion you need to explain what number representation based on a different bases means.
        The very basic thing how to represent a number based on any base 'b' is:

        ... b^2 b^1 b^0 ... b^-1 b^-2 ....

        The available digits depend on the base.

        Examples for bases and available digits:
        Base 2 (binary) : 0, 1
        Base 10 (decimal): 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
        Base 16 (Hex) : 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, A, B, C, D, E, F

        Example for the representataion of the decimal number 123 with different bases:
        b^7 b^6 b^5 b^4 b^3 b^2 b^1 b^0
        Base 2 : 128 64 32 16 8 4 2 1
        0 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 = 1x64 + 1x32 + 1x16 + 1x8 + 1x2 + 1x1 = 123

        Base 10: 10^7 10^6 10^5 10^4 10^3 100 10 1
        0 0 0 0 0 1 2 3 = 1x100 + 2x10 + 3x1 = 123

        Base 16: 16^7 16^6 16^5 16^4 16^3 16^2 16 1
        0 0 0 0 0 0 7 B = 7x16 + Bx1= 123

        I hope I made no mistakes while writing the above ;)

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        • C C P User 3

          If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people... 1. Binary Arithmetic 2. Boolean Algebra 3. Hexadecimal Arithmetic ...In what order would you present the concepts ? (That list is in alphabetical order to prevent any implied bias) Why do you feel that your chosen sequence makes more sense than others ?

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          C-P-User-3 wrote:

          If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people...

          Getting those concepts into the minds of a large group of people??, not gonna happen. You would rather forget about the order but think about the disorder you will cause.

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            Base-12 -- with eggs. 12 eggs to a box, 12 boxes to a case... Just don't grind them up.

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            That's just gross.

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            • L Lost User

              Boolean algebra is probably the easiest for people to grasp, as you can use real world examples:

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              Binary and HEX (or any other base) are especially challenging for people whose mathematical abilies may not be very high. I tried to explain both of those to someone once but they just could not get it.

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              Read up on number theory

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              • C C P User 3

                If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people... 1. Binary Arithmetic 2. Boolean Algebra 3. Hexadecimal Arithmetic ...In what order would you present the concepts ? (That list is in alphabetical order to prevent any implied bias) Why do you feel that your chosen sequence makes more sense than others ?

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                You have to provide adequate incentive, threaten grievous bodily harm to those who don't understand maybe? :laugh:

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                • C C P User 3

                  If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people... 1. Binary Arithmetic 2. Boolean Algebra 3. Hexadecimal Arithmetic ...In what order would you present the concepts ? (That list is in alphabetical order to prevent any implied bias) Why do you feel that your chosen sequence makes more sense than others ?

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                  You'd have more luck getting them to recite that rhyme straight ten times. On a slightly more serious note, hex is just binary, 4 bits at a time. Maybe mention octal as a stepping stone.

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                  • pkfoxP pkfox

                    Read up on number theory

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                    Why, I fully understand numbering systems and have done for almost 60 years.

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                    • pkfoxP pkfox

                      Read up on number theory

                      In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                      jschell
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                      I doubt that is useful. "Number theory", at best, covers quite a bit more than what was actually asked for. So attempting to answer the original question with that is not a good idea.

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                      • J jschell

                        I doubt that is useful. "Number theory", at best, covers quite a bit more than what was actually asked for. So attempting to answer the original question with that is not a good idea.

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                        I agree but it gives you some very useful knowledge

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                        • L Lost User

                          Why, I fully understand numbering systems and have done for almost 60 years.

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                          I wasn’t suggesting you learn it Richard I’m sure you know it better than most

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                          • C C P User 3

                            If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people... 1. Binary Arithmetic 2. Boolean Algebra 3. Hexadecimal Arithmetic ...In what order would you present the concepts ? (That list is in alphabetical order to prevent any implied bias) Why do you feel that your chosen sequence makes more sense than others ?

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                            First make everyone drink two coffees and a bottle of water and then tell them there are no breaks. That will keep questions to a minimum! My top of the head approach: Boolean Algebra with true and false then teach false is 0 true is 1 Repeat Boolean Algebra module now with 0/1 Then introduce using groups of two bits repeat Boolean Algebra with two bits. Show 4, then 8, 16, 32 quickly. do a few exercises with 8 bits. (Optional: at this time XOR) Now introduce some other binary operators like addition and subtraction, then two’s complement and “signed” values in binary. (optional: Overflow exceptions and how to calculate overflow. or only cover this if someone brings it up. still have some content prepared on the topic) Now that you are starting to treat blocks of bits as numbers, hammer home place value in binary (as well as review same in decimal system) Show how in decimal we bundle by groups of three digits: ones, thousands, millions. Then segue from there on how to bundle 4bits into a nibble, and then show hexadecimal. (Separate the classroom then on people who think hexadecimal should use upper case or lower case for A-F for no reason just to mix things up) show hexadecimal place value, do a few simple additions and subtractions in hex. Demo Programmer mode on the calculator.

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                            • C C P User 3

                              If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people... 1. Binary Arithmetic 2. Boolean Algebra 3. Hexadecimal Arithmetic ...In what order would you present the concepts ? (That list is in alphabetical order to prevent any implied bias) Why do you feel that your chosen sequence makes more sense than others ?

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                              • pkfoxP pkfox

                                I wasn’t suggesting you learn it Richard I’m sure you know it better than most

                                In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

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                                Sorry, I guess I misunderstood.

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                                • C C P User 3

                                  If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people... 1. Binary Arithmetic 2. Boolean Algebra 3. Hexadecimal Arithmetic ...In what order would you present the concepts ? (That list is in alphabetical order to prevent any implied bias) Why do you feel that your chosen sequence makes more sense than others ?

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                                  I would start with Boolean Algebra, just to introduce the student to the many useful things a number system with only two possible digits can be. Then I would extend the concepts to binary arithmetic, to demonstrate the interchangeability of number systems, given the proper conversions. Lastly I would introduce the hexadecimal notation, with emphasis on the usefulness of this shorthand way to represent what is, essentially, a binary representation. In practice, I actually started down the logic road in grade school, learning about sets, and expressing relationships with Venn Diagrams. Later came the transition to general logic, binary, then octal, then hexadecimal arithmetic, and state transition diagrams.

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                                  • C C P User 3

                                    If your goal is to get the following three concepts into the minds of a large group of people... 1. Binary Arithmetic 2. Boolean Algebra 3. Hexadecimal Arithmetic ...In what order would you present the concepts ? (That list is in alphabetical order to prevent any implied bias) Why do you feel that your chosen sequence makes more sense than others ?

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                                    Juan Pablo Reyes Altamirano
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                                    I'd just flip 2 with 3 So 1,3 then 2 Mostly because binary and base 16 arithmetic are best made mentally (and hexadecimal can be broken down to binary easily in case of brain fart) Boolean Algebra is a whole world by itself and because the choice of 1 and 0 for True and False is totally arbitrary, it doesn't necessarily follow the former two. People eventually memorize the basic tables of AND, OR and XOR by way of assembling digital circuits (the fun part)

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