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Help! I'm trapped inside a large, red, fluffy sweater!

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  • P PIEBALDconsult

    Did that sound right to you? It does to me. As a native (U.S.) English speaker, I was of course not taught that there is a rule guideline to how we order adjectives -- but ESL students are taught a rule. As I was lay awake this morning I thought about this. I think the above is in accordance with the rule. But what if I drop the "large" -- I would describe it as a "fluffy, red sweater" rather than a "red, fluffy sweater". I know there are many highly fluent non-native English speakers in the room -- what does your experience tell you? Can both be "correct"? Is there a nuance to the rule which swaps these? If both size and color are specified, do they gravitate together? (And don't get me started on separating adjectives with COMMAs.)

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    honey the codewitch
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    Whatever order sounds most like a band name is correct.

    Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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      Whatever order sounds most like a band name is correct.

      Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      Oddly enough, I had Soft, White Underbelly on my mind yesterday. :thumbsup:

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      • P PIEBALDconsult

        Did that sound right to you? It does to me. As a native (U.S.) English speaker, I was of course not taught that there is a rule guideline to how we order adjectives -- but ESL students are taught a rule. As I was lay awake this morning I thought about this. I think the above is in accordance with the rule. But what if I drop the "large" -- I would describe it as a "fluffy, red sweater" rather than a "red, fluffy sweater". I know there are many highly fluent non-native English speakers in the room -- what does your experience tell you? Can both be "correct"? Is there a nuance to the rule which swaps these? If both size and color are specified, do they gravitate together? (And don't get me started on separating adjectives with COMMAs.)

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        Amarnath S
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        PIEBALDconsult wrote:

        I'm trapped inside a large, red, fluffy sweater ...

        On a cold, dark, winter evening, with my soft, furry, ginger cat 😺 on my lap.

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        • P PIEBALDconsult

          Did that sound right to you? It does to me. As a native (U.S.) English speaker, I was of course not taught that there is a rule guideline to how we order adjectives -- but ESL students are taught a rule. As I was lay awake this morning I thought about this. I think the above is in accordance with the rule. But what if I drop the "large" -- I would describe it as a "fluffy, red sweater" rather than a "red, fluffy sweater". I know there are many highly fluent non-native English speakers in the room -- what does your experience tell you? Can both be "correct"? Is there a nuance to the rule which swaps these? If both size and color are specified, do they gravitate together? (And don't get me started on separating adjectives with COMMAs.)

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          StarNamer work
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          I think it depends on what the word "fluffy" is describing. If it's related to material, then it's a large red fluffy sweater. It's made of something fluffy, but it could be wool, cotton, nylon, etc. It could also simply be referring the class of objects known as "fluffy sweaters".

          I've got a large red fluffy sweater and a small green fluffy sweater.

          In this case, dropping the "large", I could still say "a red fluffy sweater"! If it's the shape, then it's a large fluffy red sweater.

          I've got a large fluffy red sweater and a small furry green sweater.

          If it's opinion, then it's a fluffy large red sweater. This use would indicate the speaker is emphasizing the fluffiness.

          "Is this a nice large red sweater?" "Well, it's definitely a fluffy large red sweater!"

          Of course, rules are made to be broken, so the size-color order can be overridden if you're specifically referring to "large sweaters".

          I've several large sweaters, but my green large sweater is being washed, so I'll wear my fluffy red large sweater.

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          • A Amarnath S

            PIEBALDconsult wrote:

            I'm trapped inside a large, red, fluffy sweater ...

            On a cold, dark, winter evening, with my soft, furry, ginger cat 😺 on my lap.

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            PIEBALDconsult
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            (Kneazle.)

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            • P PIEBALDconsult

              Did that sound right to you? It does to me. As a native (U.S.) English speaker, I was of course not taught that there is a rule guideline to how we order adjectives -- but ESL students are taught a rule. As I was lay awake this morning I thought about this. I think the above is in accordance with the rule. But what if I drop the "large" -- I would describe it as a "fluffy, red sweater" rather than a "red, fluffy sweater". I know there are many highly fluent non-native English speakers in the room -- what does your experience tell you? Can both be "correct"? Is there a nuance to the rule which swaps these? If both size and color are specified, do they gravitate together? (And don't get me started on separating adjectives with COMMAs.)

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              englebart
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              see subject

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              • P PIEBALDconsult

                Did that sound right to you? It does to me. As a native (U.S.) English speaker, I was of course not taught that there is a rule guideline to how we order adjectives -- but ESL students are taught a rule. As I was lay awake this morning I thought about this. I think the above is in accordance with the rule. But what if I drop the "large" -- I would describe it as a "fluffy, red sweater" rather than a "red, fluffy sweater". I know there are many highly fluent non-native English speakers in the room -- what does your experience tell you? Can both be "correct"? Is there a nuance to the rule which swaps these? If both size and color are specified, do they gravitate together? (And don't get me started on separating adjectives with COMMAs.)

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                GuyThiebaut
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                At least you are keeping the indefinite article. Leaving out definite or indefinite article from sentences gets my goat :laugh:

                “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                ― Christopher Hitchens

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                • G GuyThiebaut

                  At least you are keeping the indefinite article. Leaving out definite or indefinite article from sentences gets my goat :laugh:

                  “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                  ― Christopher Hitchens

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                  PIEBALDconsult
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                  It's definitely an article of clothing.

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                  • P PIEBALDconsult

                    It's definitely an article of clothing.

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                    GuyThiebaut
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                    I think that would be "indefinitely".

                    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                    ― Christopher Hitchens

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                    • G GuyThiebaut

                      I think that would be "indefinitely".

                      “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                      ― Christopher Hitchens

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                      PIEBALDconsult
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                      For an indefinite period, sure. Maybe only until the asteroid hits.

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                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                        I'm guessing you've never lain awake in the morning. Hmm?

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                        It was a joke of course. But yes I have lain awake many mornings.

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