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  • S Southmountain

    I never tried to buy stuff online using digital coins. I downloaded the app Trust from app store and start to play around with it. any experience to share?

    diligent hands rule....

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    David ONeil
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    Just use a credit or debit card. Unless you are trying to obfuscate illegal purchases. But since those 'coins' can most definitely be traced, that is an ill-founded attempt.

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      Just use a credit or debit card. Unless you are trying to obfuscate illegal purchases. But since those 'coins' can most definitely be traced, that is an ill-founded attempt.

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      Southmountain
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      these vendors also take credit cards, but when I transacted through my credit card, it failed.

      diligent hands rule....

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      • S Southmountain

        these vendors also take credit cards, but when I transacted through my credit card, it failed.

        diligent hands rule....

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        Maximilien
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        just send me the money and I'll make it work. :rolleyes: (lol jk)

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        • S Southmountain

          these vendors also take credit cards, but when I transacted through my credit card, it failed.

          diligent hands rule....

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          Amarnath S
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          Have heard it's risky to give credit card details to digital currency sites. No guarantee that it'll not be misused. There are many cases of cyber fraud, we hear daily.

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            these vendors also take credit cards, but when I transacted through my credit card, it failed.

            diligent hands rule....

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            David ONeil
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            If they can't transact credit card info correctly, you'd trust them with 'coin'?

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              Have heard it's risky to give credit card details to digital currency sites. No guarantee that it'll not be misused. There are many cases of cyber fraud, we hear daily.

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              dandy72
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              Amarnath S wrote:

              Have heard it's risky to give credit card details to digital currency sites. No guarantee that it'll not be misused. There are many cases of cyber fraud, we hear daily.

              Well that's the case with any web site, not just those that deal specifically in digital currency. Amazon has my CC details, and as much as I hate to feed the beast, I'd still rather buy through them than to give my CC details to 100 smaller sites who don't all have Amazon's resources to put together a system that can do online transactions securely. I've never dealt with bitcoins and such, and I'll keep it that way for as long as I can.

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              • D David ONeil

                Just use a credit or debit card. Unless you are trying to obfuscate illegal purchases. But since those 'coins' can most definitely be traced, that is an ill-founded attempt.

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                dandy72
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                David O'Neil wrote:

                But since those 'coins' can most definitely be traced

                Can they? Last I heard, the best you can still do is associate a transaction with the wallets that were on both ends of it, but not who the respective owners are.

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                  If they can't transact credit card info correctly, you'd trust them with 'coin'?

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                  Jo_vb net
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                  I think it is also possible that the credit card company does not trust them (black list) and blocks transaction.

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                  • D dandy72

                    David O'Neil wrote:

                    But since those 'coins' can most definitely be traced

                    Can they? Last I heard, the best you can still do is associate a transaction with the wallets that were on both ends of it, but not who the respective owners are.

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                    Jo_vb net
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                    Yes, your Bitcoin transactions can be tracked - Here's how[^]

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                    • D dandy72

                      David O'Neil wrote:

                      But since those 'coins' can most definitely be traced

                      Can they? Last I heard, the best you can still do is associate a transaction with the wallets that were on both ends of it, but not who the respective owners are.

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                      David ONeil
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                      According to this, and other items I've read, yes: [https://koinly.io/blog/can-the-irs-track-cryptocurrency/\](https://koinly.io/blog/can-the-irs-track-cryptocurrency/)

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                        Yes, your Bitcoin transactions can be tracked - Here's how[^]

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                        dandy72
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                        The article makes a good point about a physical address still being needed to deliver goods, but suppose you're just transferring money (and that's all you use the wallet for). I'm not familiar with the process, but what's to keep one from submitting completely fake information when creating the wallet? It seems to me like every link that was ever made can still be tracked to some "external" thing someone made at some point, and not necessarily an inherent flaw in the system. Not that I believe the system is flawless. Merely curious.

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                          The article makes a good point about a physical address still being needed to deliver goods, but suppose you're just transferring money (and that's all you use the wallet for). I'm not familiar with the process, but what's to keep one from submitting completely fake information when creating the wallet? It seems to me like every link that was ever made can still be tracked to some "external" thing someone made at some point, and not necessarily an inherent flaw in the system. Not that I believe the system is flawless. Merely curious.

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                          Jo_vb net
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                          Well I'm not able to answer your question because my knowhow about that is too low. But perhaps they make some kind of identity check when a person is creating the wallet.

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                          • A Amarnath S

                            Have heard it's risky to give credit card details to digital currency sites. No guarantee that it'll not be misused. There are many cases of cyber fraud, we hear daily.

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                            jschell
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                            Amarnath S wrote:

                            Have heard it's risky to give credit card details to digital currency sites

                            LOL! That right there sums up the entire eCurrency marketplace.

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                              Amarnath S wrote:

                              Have heard it's risky to give credit card details to digital currency sites. No guarantee that it'll not be misused. There are many cases of cyber fraud, we hear daily.

                              Well that's the case with any web site, not just those that deal specifically in digital currency. Amazon has my CC details, and as much as I hate to feed the beast, I'd still rather buy through them than to give my CC details to 100 smaller sites who don't all have Amazon's resources to put together a system that can do online transactions securely. I've never dealt with bitcoins and such, and I'll keep it that way for as long as I can.

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                              jschell
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                              dandy72 wrote:

                              Amazon has my CC details, and as much as I hate to feed the beast

                              Amazon might be hacked but I consider the chance of them just deciding one day to start charging all the cards to the max, and then withdrawing funds and moving it offshore to be very small.

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                                I think it is also possible that the credit card company does not trust them (black list) and blocks transaction.

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                                David ONeil
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                                Probably. That's what happens when you are untrustable.

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                                • D dandy72

                                  David O'Neil wrote:

                                  But since those 'coins' can most definitely be traced

                                  Can they? Last I heard, the best you can still do is associate a transaction with the wallets that were on both ends of it, but not who the respective owners are.

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                                  Jeremy Falcon
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                                  dandy72 wrote:

                                  Can they? Last I heard, the best you can still do is associate a transaction with the wallets that were on both ends of it, but not who the respective owners are.

                                  No government on the planet will willingly make themselves smaller with less authority. Not without a war being started. Money rules the world. So, you can rest assured, there will be a way if that way isn't already here.

                                  Jeremy Falcon

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                                  • J Jo_vb net

                                    Well I'm not able to answer your question because my knowhow about that is too low. But perhaps they make some kind of identity check when a person is creating the wallet.

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                                    dandy72
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                                    I went over a few more articles on the topic, and it very much sounds like, for all practical purposes, there's no way to get a wallet created without handing over some ID of some sort - countries have ensured those business entities cannot operate within their border without it. I've concluded the system has been compromised, no way around it. So virtual currency has lost its only real benefit. This has done nothing to help convince me I should get into it, even with any sort of promise to make any amount of money out of it...it remains a dead end to me. :-)

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                                      dandy72 wrote:

                                      Can they? Last I heard, the best you can still do is associate a transaction with the wallets that were on both ends of it, but not who the respective owners are.

                                      No government on the planet will willingly make themselves smaller with less authority. Not without a war being started. Money rules the world. So, you can rest assured, there will be a way if that way isn't already here.

                                      Jeremy Falcon

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                                      dandy72
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                                      As cynical as you make it sound like, that is absolutely the truth. To believe overwise is just naive.

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                                      • S Southmountain

                                        I never tried to buy stuff online using digital coins. I downloaded the app Trust from app store and start to play around with it. any experience to share?

                                        diligent hands rule....

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                                        RedDk
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                                        Yeah I've been thinking about your post here for about thirteen seconds now and I've come to the conclusion that prapps you might buy something using bitcoin whatever the downside to such a purchase might be. :suss:

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                                          dandy72 wrote:

                                          Amazon has my CC details, and as much as I hate to feed the beast

                                          Amazon might be hacked but I consider the chance of them just deciding one day to start charging all the cards to the max, and then withdrawing funds and moving it offshore to be very small.

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                                          dandy72
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                                          Yeah, Amazon is infinitely less likely to do that than any small mom-and-pop shop on the internet, that was my point.

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