Vent: spam and online stores
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: do they think that people are STUPID Yes, and they're right. Most people are utterly baffled by computers, more so by this thing we call the Internet. It's like magic to most, and developers would be well advised to keep that fact in mind. Spammers should be killed as quickly as they can be identified, preferably before they have a chance to reproduce. I don't advocate violence ever, but if you simply take away their computers they're only going to buy new ones. It's high time to remove these scumbags from the gene pool. There is no need to wait for court decisions or legislation, but it is important to make it look like an accident, else you're going to be tied up with a bunch of paperwork.:-D A possible non-violent response to spam might be to set up filters that automatically forward any you receive to your Congressman. I prefer that approach, as it doesn't involve anything messy, and is just as likely to result in a spam-free future. The only problem I see with that approach is that you'll probably get lots of spam from your Congressman at election time...
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongRoger Wright wrote: Spammers should be killed as quickly as they can be identified, preferably before they have a chance to reproduce It wouldn't even be a preemptive kill but self-defence. I'm against Death Penalty, but who mentions a trial? We should nail spammers on the houses' doors, it would scare salesmen.
We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (1900-1944)
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:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Mark my words, the reselling of email addresses of online customers, will kill online stores faster than the upcoming Internet tax, or government oversight. I'm getting unrelated spam that is using an unique email address that I used ONCE at a kid's toy store that I bought a baby shower gift from two years ago. So it's very obvious that they are/have resold their customer list. I've caught my previous ISP doing this (they allow you to create sub-email accounts, so I made one that was NEVER used, and it got spammed, along with the spammer including about 50 other addresses - and no, it was not random). I already get a bunch of spam to the generic email addresses I have, so any additional ones that HAD to come from such a source is EXTREMLY offensive. I honestly fail to understand the mindset that does this - do they think that people are STUPID, will never find out, and will put up with this? I've already sent pretty venomous email to the web site in question, but we all know that they'll just shrug and ignore it, and blissfully sell off what is left of their business ethics. What the hell has happened with the "customer relationship"? Is business so damn good that they can afford to piss off a chunk of their customer base, because they figure it can be replaced with no problem? Or do they think people are sheep, and will just plod blindly along until the next Superbowl or televised military action to dull their minds further with? But it's not just these idiots, it's places like Discover card (every time I called with a questionable charge, the "computer was down". When I pointed out that I was a systems developer and offered to come down to Tennessee to fix it for free, the "problem" suddenly vanished and never came back) and the power company (Q:"how long is the power going to be out?" A:[nastyvoice]"until it's fixed" Q:"well, how long will THAT be?" A:"they can't find the problem" [this after 20+ hours!] Q:"it's a grid, with multiple connections, and you have sensors in all transformers, and run test signals down the lines all the time" A:clickbuzzzz) I swear, when the revolution comes, these clowns and the rest like them will be ones against the wall. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com "Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the Way." - Chuang-Tzu "Zen in the Martial A
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I could write my own message, but Roger already did. I agree totally with him. Paul ;)
That's better! It looks like radioactive waste now. - Ryan Binns
Paul van der Walt wrote: Roger ... I agree totally with him. :~ Mental note to self: Do not spam Paul ;P
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Paul van der Walt wrote: Roger ... I agree totally with him. :~ Mental note to self: Do not spam Paul ;P
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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:evil-grin: :-D Paul ;)
That's better! It looks like radioactive waste now. - Ryan Binns
Muahahahahaha... You replied! I now have your email address :evil-smiley: ;P
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Roger Wright wrote: Spammers should be killed as quickly as they can be identified, preferably before they have a chance to reproduce It wouldn't even be a preemptive kill but self-defence. I'm against Death Penalty, but who mentions a trial? We should nail spammers on the houses' doors, it would scare salesmen.
We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children - Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (1900-1944)
KaЯl wrote: I'm against Death Penalty, but who mentions a trial? I like that. Well said :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
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Muahahahahaha... You replied! I now have your email address :evil-smiley: ;P
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Ryan Binns wrote: Muahahahahaha... Hey, that's my line! ;P Ryan Binns wrote: I now have your email address :evil-smiley: :~ *frantically rips LAN connection from back of PC* ;P Paul ;)
That's better! It looks like radioactive waste now. - Ryan Binns
Paul van der Walt wrote: Hey, that's my line! Oh darn it! Don't tell me I read the script wrong again? :rolleyes: Paul van der Walt wrote: frantically rips LAN connection from back of PC Be gentle! A gentle pull should do the trick :) Don't be too worried. I'm too busy chatting to send you spam ;) Maybe tomorrow :evil-smiley:
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Paul van der Walt wrote: Hey, that's my line! Oh darn it! Don't tell me I read the script wrong again? :rolleyes: Paul van der Walt wrote: frantically rips LAN connection from back of PC Be gentle! A gentle pull should do the trick :) Don't be too worried. I'm too busy chatting to send you spam ;) Maybe tomorrow :evil-smiley:
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
Ryan Binns wrote: I read the script wrong again Is there a script :confused: ;P Ryan Binns wrote: Be gentle! *frantically plugs LAN back in, waits for tomorrow* ;P It just occured to me: I have your address - muwahahah! :-D Paul ;)
That's better! It looks like radioactive waste now. - Ryan Binns
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Ryan Binns wrote: I read the script wrong again Is there a script :confused: ;P Ryan Binns wrote: Be gentle! *frantically plugs LAN back in, waits for tomorrow* ;P It just occured to me: I have your address - muwahahah! :-D Paul ;)
That's better! It looks like radioactive waste now. - Ryan Binns
Paul van der Walt wrote: frantically :rolleyes: I said be gentle!
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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Paul van der Walt wrote: frantically :rolleyes: I said be gentle!
Ryan
"Punctuality is only a virtue for those who aren't smart enough to think of good excuses for being late" John Nichol "Point Of Impact"
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OT a bit, but I like Spam Gourmet[^] - you can create disposable email addresses there for one-off things like your toy store order. You can say "I want to receive X messages to this address" and all mails after that limit are dropped and never forwarded to you. --Mike-- "I'm working really, really fast at the moment, so a 3 minute outage becomes, due to time dilation, a 5 minute outage." -- Chris Maunder, relativistic system administrator Ericahist | Homepage | RightClick-Encrypt | 1ClickPicGrabber
Not off topic, and I do use Spam Gourmet for about a year now. But back in 2001, it didn't exist I think.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com "Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the Way." - Chuang-Tzu "Zen in the Martial Arts"
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: do they think that people are STUPID Yes, and they're right. Most people are utterly baffled by computers, more so by this thing we call the Internet. It's like magic to most, and developers would be well advised to keep that fact in mind. Spammers should be killed as quickly as they can be identified, preferably before they have a chance to reproduce. I don't advocate violence ever, but if you simply take away their computers they're only going to buy new ones. It's high time to remove these scumbags from the gene pool. There is no need to wait for court decisions or legislation, but it is important to make it look like an accident, else you're going to be tied up with a bunch of paperwork.:-D A possible non-violent response to spam might be to set up filters that automatically forward any you receive to your Congressman. I prefer that approach, as it doesn't involve anything messy, and is just as likely to result in a spam-free future. The only problem I see with that approach is that you'll probably get lots of spam from your Congressman at election time...
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus LongRoger Wright wrote: A possible non-violent response to spam might be to set up filters that automatically forward any you receive to your Congressman. This is an interesting alternative. I wonder, though, if you would then be considered a spammer yourself? If someone somewhere was to decide that the Xth day of Yth month is Spam Your Congressman day, and major corporations were to get their IT departments to do the filtering for them, then the whole safety in numbers thing might apply and some progress might be made. J
"I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees."
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Roger Wright wrote: A possible non-violent response to spam might be to set up filters that automatically forward any you receive to your Congressman. This is an interesting alternative. I wonder, though, if you would then be considered a spammer yourself? If someone somewhere was to decide that the Xth day of Yth month is Spam Your Congressman day, and major corporations were to get their IT departments to do the filtering for them, then the whole safety in numbers thing might apply and some progress might be made. J
"I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees."
I suspect that you're right. I like the safety in numbers idea - it makes sense!:)
"The Lion shall lie down with the Lamb;
but the Lamb will not get much sleep..."
Lazarus Long -
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Mark my words, the reselling of email addresses of online customers, will kill online stores faster than the upcoming Internet tax, or government oversight. I'm getting unrelated spam that is using an unique email address that I used ONCE at a kid's toy store that I bought a baby shower gift from two years ago. So it's very obvious that they are/have resold their customer list. I've caught my previous ISP doing this (they allow you to create sub-email accounts, so I made one that was NEVER used, and it got spammed, along with the spammer including about 50 other addresses - and no, it was not random). I already get a bunch of spam to the generic email addresses I have, so any additional ones that HAD to come from such a source is EXTREMLY offensive. I honestly fail to understand the mindset that does this - do they think that people are STUPID, will never find out, and will put up with this? I've already sent pretty venomous email to the web site in question, but we all know that they'll just shrug and ignore it, and blissfully sell off what is left of their business ethics. What the hell has happened with the "customer relationship"? Is business so damn good that they can afford to piss off a chunk of their customer base, because they figure it can be replaced with no problem? Or do they think people are sheep, and will just plod blindly along until the next Superbowl or televised military action to dull their minds further with? But it's not just these idiots, it's places like Discover card (every time I called with a questionable charge, the "computer was down". When I pointed out that I was a systems developer and offered to come down to Tennessee to fix it for free, the "problem" suddenly vanished and never came back) and the power company (Q:"how long is the power going to be out?" A:[nastyvoice]"until it's fixed" Q:"well, how long will THAT be?" A:"they can't find the problem" [this after 20+ hours!] Q:"it's a grid, with multiple connections, and you have sensors in all transformers, and run test signals down the lines all the time" A:clickbuzzzz) I swear, when the revolution comes, these clowns and the rest like them will be ones against the wall. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com "Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the Way." - Chuang-Tzu "Zen in the Martial A
Todd C. Wilson wrote: using an unique email address that I used ONCE I *always* do that whenever I sign up to a new site. We have a domain at Hypermart and we can use any address we want and it all get's forwarded to a single account that we check so I can just make up a new address each time and it's amazing what you can catch by doing that. Todd C. Wilson wrote: the power company (Q:"how long is the power going to be out?" A:[nastyvoice]"until it's fixed" Q:"well, how long will THAT be?" A:"they can't find the problem" [this after 20+ hours!] Q:"it's a grid, with multiple connections, and you have sensors in all transformers, and run test signals down the lines all the time" A:clickbuzzzz) Funny you should mention that because here on Vancouver Island in B.C. Canada we have government power company and because were on an island the power can go out quite often. Last spring our power went out and I phoned BC Hydro about 10 minutes later to report it, the first thing I get is the "Enter your phone number" prompt, after I do, a voice message comes on and says something to the effect that they know power is out in our area, a tree has fallen on the line, thank you for calling to report it and that the power is estimated to be restored at 9:50 am. Cool! I think, saves a long conversation for no reason and quite handy to get the estimate right off the bat if it's anywhere close. Then at 9:45am the power comes back on! Is that slick or what? ------------
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Todd C. Wilson wrote: using an unique email address that I used ONCE I *always* do that whenever I sign up to a new site. We have a domain at Hypermart and we can use any address we want and it all get's forwarded to a single account that we check so I can just make up a new address each time and it's amazing what you can catch by doing that. Todd C. Wilson wrote: the power company (Q:"how long is the power going to be out?" A:[nastyvoice]"until it's fixed" Q:"well, how long will THAT be?" A:"they can't find the problem" [this after 20+ hours!] Q:"it's a grid, with multiple connections, and you have sensors in all transformers, and run test signals down the lines all the time" A:clickbuzzzz) Funny you should mention that because here on Vancouver Island in B.C. Canada we have government power company and because were on an island the power can go out quite often. Last spring our power went out and I phoned BC Hydro about 10 minutes later to report it, the first thing I get is the "Enter your phone number" prompt, after I do, a voice message comes on and says something to the effect that they know power is out in our area, a tree has fallen on the line, thank you for calling to report it and that the power is estimated to be restored at 9:50 am. Cool! I think, saves a long conversation for no reason and quite handy to get the estimate right off the bat if it's anywhere close. Then at 9:45am the power comes back on! Is that slick or what? ------------
John Cardinal wrote: I *always* do that whenever I sign up to a new site. We have a domain at Hypermart and we can use any address we want and it all get's forwarded to a single account that we check so I can just make up a new address each time and it's amazing what you can catch by doing that. Absolutly, and I didn't make clear that I have always done that too - mostly for this reason, but also because I have my email client set up to filter to the proper folder.
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com "Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the Way." - Chuang-Tzu "Zen in the Martial Arts"
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:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: Mark my words, the reselling of email addresses of online customers, will kill online stores faster than the upcoming Internet tax, or government oversight. I'm getting unrelated spam that is using an unique email address that I used ONCE at a kid's toy store that I bought a baby shower gift from two years ago. So it's very obvious that they are/have resold their customer list. I've caught my previous ISP doing this (they allow you to create sub-email accounts, so I made one that was NEVER used, and it got spammed, along with the spammer including about 50 other addresses - and no, it was not random). I already get a bunch of spam to the generic email addresses I have, so any additional ones that HAD to come from such a source is EXTREMLY offensive. I honestly fail to understand the mindset that does this - do they think that people are STUPID, will never find out, and will put up with this? I've already sent pretty venomous email to the web site in question, but we all know that they'll just shrug and ignore it, and blissfully sell off what is left of their business ethics. What the hell has happened with the "customer relationship"? Is business so damn good that they can afford to piss off a chunk of their customer base, because they figure it can be replaced with no problem? Or do they think people are sheep, and will just plod blindly along until the next Superbowl or televised military action to dull their minds further with? But it's not just these idiots, it's places like Discover card (every time I called with a questionable charge, the "computer was down". When I pointed out that I was a systems developer and offered to come down to Tennessee to fix it for free, the "problem" suddenly vanished and never came back) and the power company (Q:"how long is the power going to be out?" A:[nastyvoice]"until it's fixed" Q:"well, how long will THAT be?" A:"they can't find the problem" [this after 20+ hours!] Q:"it's a grid, with multiple connections, and you have sensors in all transformers, and run test signals down the lines all the time" A:clickbuzzzz) I swear, when the revolution comes, these clowns and the rest like them will be ones against the wall. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Todd C. Wilson (meme@nopcode.com) NOPcode.com "Flow with whatever may happen and let your mind be free: Stay centered by accepting whatever you are doing. This is the Way." - Chuang-Tzu "Zen in the Martial A
I think that is wrong to do that. Get this I subscribed to "WebTechiques" (knowing I was going to be sent junk mail [because free subscription]) under the name: Crash Override and guess what I've been getting this past week just under that name: DDJ "professional subscription" request (got that today) Business Palinum MilesOne credit card Global Life insurance for Mr. And Mrs. Override And also my school gives out personal information like candy I got a scam "Honors Society" letter (wanting me to pay $45) after I saw that number I was like f**k that. WTF is wrong with these people, I have a mailing list but its opt-in/opt-out. I don't restort or never will to spam (that will eliminate users/customers). -Steven Hicks
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