MS can't catch a break when it comes to search
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There's yet another article on Slashdot claiming [Bing's market share has barely budged despite ChatGPT being added to it](https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/01/18/1340247/microsofts-bing-market-share-barely-budged-with-chatgpt-add-on?utm\_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm\_medium=feed), and initially being a big hit, yada-yada. And yet barely 2 days prior, another article read, "[Google Search Really Has Gotten Worse, Researchers Find](https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/01/16/2137200/google-search-really-has-gotten-worse-researchers-find?utm\_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm\_medium=feed)". I've been seeing those sorts of articles time and again over the last few months. I can't say whether that's true. I try to do as little as possible with Google nowadays. I've actually been doing my searches through Bing for a few years now, using Edge (since it moved to the Chromium engine), and frankly, it's a rare occurrence where I can't find what I'm looking for within the first few results of a query. Generally if I can't find anything on Bing, Google really doesn't fare quantifiably "better". And MS already has all the information it wants from me, if not through my search queries and browser telemetry, then through telemetry sent by the OS itself. If Google's search results truly are getting worse (not my claim), I'm not sure why they should still be in my life. Frankly if my data's gonna get collected anyway, I'd rather have one company have it then two. Especially when one of them is purely an advertising company (whereas the other is merely trying to move in that direction, despite failing repeatedly - and the company's very survival doesn't rely on its ad department). Nobody it seems ever misses a chance to ridicule Edge or Bing. Laugh all you want, I'm actually rather happy with how it's working out for me. Obviously, YMMV. So what say you? Are Google's results getting as unusable as some claim? If so, why stick with it?
Haven't tried Bing in quite a while so decided to try it now. Following is a search I did in google a while back where xxx is my city
"rotisserie chicken" restaurant xxx
Google - no ads at the top Bing - map, ads at the top, but they are specifically relevant. So not a problem. Google - first thing at top is map. But useless because it shows places that sell chicken (not rotisserie) Bing - after ads is yelp review list which is relevant. Shows in google also perhaps after targeted ad. I would rate Bing slightly better. Both are a disappointment because there is no restaurant close to me, but of course that is probably because no such restaurant exists.
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There's yet another article on Slashdot claiming [Bing's market share has barely budged despite ChatGPT being added to it](https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/01/18/1340247/microsofts-bing-market-share-barely-budged-with-chatgpt-add-on?utm\_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm\_medium=feed), and initially being a big hit, yada-yada. And yet barely 2 days prior, another article read, "[Google Search Really Has Gotten Worse, Researchers Find](https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/01/16/2137200/google-search-really-has-gotten-worse-researchers-find?utm\_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm\_medium=feed)". I've been seeing those sorts of articles time and again over the last few months. I can't say whether that's true. I try to do as little as possible with Google nowadays. I've actually been doing my searches through Bing for a few years now, using Edge (since it moved to the Chromium engine), and frankly, it's a rare occurrence where I can't find what I'm looking for within the first few results of a query. Generally if I can't find anything on Bing, Google really doesn't fare quantifiably "better". And MS already has all the information it wants from me, if not through my search queries and browser telemetry, then through telemetry sent by the OS itself. If Google's search results truly are getting worse (not my claim), I'm not sure why they should still be in my life. Frankly if my data's gonna get collected anyway, I'd rather have one company have it then two. Especially when one of them is purely an advertising company (whereas the other is merely trying to move in that direction, despite failing repeatedly - and the company's very survival doesn't rely on its ad department). Nobody it seems ever misses a chance to ridicule Edge or Bing. Laugh all you want, I'm actually rather happy with how it's working out for me. Obviously, YMMV. So what say you? Are Google's results getting as unusable as some claim? If so, why stick with it?
I don't really use google search any more. Years ago I did a search for a particular article and I used the article title as my search parameters. Duckduckgo had the link to the article as the second search result, google had the link to the article on page 14.
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* Bing used to not find pages when copy-pasting the page's title in the search bar. * DuckDuckGo uses Bing as backend and despite I'd love to use it, it still can't find its own backend with a mirror and a reference picture. * ChatGPT is great to have some laugh, it does not provide anything of value. Especially when I need something that exists and not something made up on the spot. * Google sucks because it's an advertisement search, plus GPT-like tools invaded the web with tons of useless, mangled, regurgitated and often objectively wrong "content", which sends the last functional sliver of Google into utter confusion. Forums and Reddit (which honestly is just the evolution of ForumFree) are becoming once again the only reliable places to find informations, as they are so fare populated mostly by humans, sometimes even self-aware ones.
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> ChatGPT is great to have some laugh, it does not provide anything of value. Especially when I need something that exists and not something made up on the spot. Meh. ChatGPT is useful every once in a while, when I can't be bothered to write the boilerplate for a simple script, or demonstrate how to invoke some obscure API. It might not always get it right, but some of the results it's produced for me turned out to be good starting points. Sometimes it's easier to ask it something in plain English than trying to use a traditional search engine to find just the right incantation to locate some random article on some random site. It's no replacement for a search engine if that's what you're expecting. Just another tool in one's toolset.
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"Nobody it seems ever misses a chance to ridicule Edge or Bing." Everything has those who do not like it. Those that yell the loudest about how good something is are those who have invested the most in it. Rather than there being anything objective about it. "Are Google's results getting as unusable as some claim?" Still works for me.
> Those that yell the loudest about how good something is are those who have invested the most in it. Rather than there being anything objective about it. I'll assume this is a general observation of yours and you're not actually trying to put words in my mouth. If I'm wrong, then sorry about your eardrums. I really don't have a dog in this race. Besides, I wasn't saying X was leaps and bounds better than Y. My main point was, X isn't nearly as bad as some people constantly make it out to be.
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Haven't tried Bing in quite a while so decided to try it now. Following is a search I did in google a while back where xxx is my city
"rotisserie chicken" restaurant xxx
Google - no ads at the top Bing - map, ads at the top, but they are specifically relevant. So not a problem. Google - first thing at top is map. But useless because it shows places that sell chicken (not rotisserie) Bing - after ads is yelp review list which is relevant. Shows in google also perhaps after targeted ad. I would rate Bing slightly better. Both are a disappointment because there is no restaurant close to me, but of course that is probably because no such restaurant exists.
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I don't really use google search any more. Years ago I did a search for a particular article and I used the article title as my search parameters. Duckduckgo had the link to the article as the second search result, google had the link to the article on page 14.
> Duckduckgo had the link to the article as the second search result, google had the link to the article on page 14. LOL Somehow Google has decided at some point that a literal search for specific keywords was no way to find a page any more. How it works nowadays, I don't think even Google themselves don't even know anymore; they're constantly fiddling with it. All I know is that if we both search for the exact same thing, we'll probably get significantly different results. And that's not good, IMO.
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I agree with that. Besides keeping it straight in the head, what does 150 tabs even look like in the UI? I should note I don't use tabs at all. I open a new instance for each.
I have six windows open for different categories (personal, work, training, etc.) and within each, I use tab groups quite a bit. Most of the open pages are work-related and is the kind of stuff that I might need later today or two weeks from now, but hunting the pages down would be a big pain in the butt (our internal file-sharing and job tracking systems are a bit of a mess...but getting better). I suppose I could switch to creating lots of bookmarks instead, but since Chrome got their act together on memory management, it doesn't seem to be a real issue for me.
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There's yet another article on Slashdot claiming [Bing's market share has barely budged despite ChatGPT being added to it](https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/01/18/1340247/microsofts-bing-market-share-barely-budged-with-chatgpt-add-on?utm\_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm\_medium=feed), and initially being a big hit, yada-yada. And yet barely 2 days prior, another article read, "[Google Search Really Has Gotten Worse, Researchers Find](https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/01/16/2137200/google-search-really-has-gotten-worse-researchers-find?utm\_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm\_medium=feed)". I've been seeing those sorts of articles time and again over the last few months. I can't say whether that's true. I try to do as little as possible with Google nowadays. I've actually been doing my searches through Bing for a few years now, using Edge (since it moved to the Chromium engine), and frankly, it's a rare occurrence where I can't find what I'm looking for within the first few results of a query. Generally if I can't find anything on Bing, Google really doesn't fare quantifiably "better". And MS already has all the information it wants from me, if not through my search queries and browser telemetry, then through telemetry sent by the OS itself. If Google's search results truly are getting worse (not my claim), I'm not sure why they should still be in my life. Frankly if my data's gonna get collected anyway, I'd rather have one company have it then two. Especially when one of them is purely an advertising company (whereas the other is merely trying to move in that direction, despite failing repeatedly - and the company's very survival doesn't rely on its ad department). Nobody it seems ever misses a chance to ridicule Edge or Bing. Laugh all you want, I'm actually rather happy with how it's working out for me. Obviously, YMMV. So what say you? Are Google's results getting as unusable as some claim? If so, why stick with it?
Bing is far worse than Google search for technical things. I use Edge now to as I'm sick of fighting Windows with Chrome and Edge is actually faster than Chrome on Windows now. Google has gotten really bad now though. Search engines are so bad now you type in any keyword into them and they will only give you links that have nothing to do with what you want. This is really annoying sometimes. Part of its not the search engines fault and all the AI generated web sites farming clicks. And another part is sites walling themselves off like Twitter. I can't find Tweets in Twitter with Google anymore. The internet has actually gotten worse in many ways while better in others.
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> Both are a disappointment because there is no restaurant close to me, but of course that is probably because no such restaurant exists. So, what do you think the best outcome for this should have been?
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I have six windows open for different categories (personal, work, training, etc.) and within each, I use tab groups quite a bit. Most of the open pages are work-related and is the kind of stuff that I might need later today or two weeks from now, but hunting the pages down would be a big pain in the butt (our internal file-sharing and job tracking systems are a bit of a mess...but getting better). I suppose I could switch to creating lots of bookmarks instead, but since Chrome got their act together on memory management, it doesn't seem to be a real issue for me.