win11 dismay: can't have vertical taskbar?!
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raddevus wrote:
I finally upgraded to win11 on my laptop
I'm currently irritated that for the first time ever, I am being forced to retire *perfectly good hardware in order to run a new O/S that I don't really want. :sigh: Unfortunately, I'm still maintaining LOB desktop applications and need to test on that environment. (especially now that one customer is reporting print preview issues that are specific to Win11) < /ms-rant> * 7 y/o laptop (i7 + 16GB) and a 5 y/o desktop (AMD A12-9800 Radeon R7 + 12GB) Hmmm, after writing this I realize that while that hardware doesn't feel old, it really does match my replacement cycle of 5-6 years. Wow, time sure flies! :omg: It doesn't really matter though as yesterday I ordered a new desktop system (AMD Ryzen 5 + 16GB) with lots of room for expansion. It was the most money I've paid for a PC in decades, but it should last for awhile. I found it amusing that not one reviewer discussed performance for work...either developers don't leave reviews, they don't buy 'gaming' rigs, or most consumers are just looking for a pretty toy to play with.
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I'm guessing the old systems didn't support TPM 2.0? I had to switch to the firmware TPM on my system to upgrade.
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Wow, I finally upgraded to win11 on my laptop ( Ryzen 7 4700, 16GB ram) and I've just discovered that you can no longer move the taskbar to the left or right side of the screen (vertical). I've done this for quite some time now because screen widths have increased but you have less vertical space. And, yes, I know I can make it hide itself (really dislike waiting on it to appear). How to set the Windows 11 taskbar vertical?[^] Short answer: You can't Customization is a bad idea if you think about it. People far smarter than me have discovered what is best and I just need to conform. :rolleyes: Also: Disk Space I had 42GB free before upgrading and now I have 22GB free. Wow, is there 20GB of new stuff in win11 -- I guess it's all the pretty colors, right? EDIT Oh, I found 30.9GB of temporary files - 26.9GB from the old system. I'm going to delete them now, because I live dangerously. :) EDIT 2 Why is Win11 showing that I have an update that references a Win10 update? :confused::confused: See snapshot here[^].
After a couple hours of searching and playing with alternatives, I went with StartAllBack. It can do left and right, and it is the only program I found that allows the old folder-interface that allows the easiest access to your programs. It isn't as nice as Start10 was, since the folder interface is below the main part of the window, and must be expanded from root, but at least it is there.
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Hey raddevus, When you performed the upgrade, did it offer you the choice between upgrading the current OS or installing Win 11 as a clean install?
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
Sorry for the delay, just saw this. Anyways, it did not offer a choice that I saw. I just had the Upgrade option in the Updates area and tried that. I will tell you that it took 3 hours on a 500GB connection and a fast computer to upgrade. The download / preparing stage to get to 100% took forever. I have written a Rust command-line program that allows me to watch the entire drive to see if anything is being written and I used that to watch if there was activity (open source at my github - GitHub - raddevus/watcher: File System Watcher implemented in Rust - can watch events on directories & tail files (continuously watches files or directories)[^] . At one point it got to 96% and I thought it was stuck. I duckduckgo'd it and others said they got stuck at 96% so I thought it was bad. I finally rebooted (ugh) and it started again -- but it started at the beginning. Oy! It finally made it to 100%. But even then it sat there for a long while. Finally, I thought it would just reboot, and it did, but then it did the old blue screen with spinner saying it was x% and updating and that took a while too. It seems that it all went well, even though it took so long.
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raddevus wrote:
I finally upgraded to win11 on my laptop
I'm currently irritated that for the first time ever, I am being forced to retire *perfectly good hardware in order to run a new O/S that I don't really want. :sigh: Unfortunately, I'm still maintaining LOB desktop applications and need to test on that environment. (especially now that one customer is reporting print preview issues that are specific to Win11) < /ms-rant> * 7 y/o laptop (i7 + 16GB) and a 5 y/o desktop (AMD A12-9800 Radeon R7 + 12GB) Hmmm, after writing this I realize that while that hardware doesn't feel old, it really does match my replacement cycle of 5-6 years. Wow, time sure flies! :omg: It doesn't really matter though as yesterday I ordered a new desktop system (AMD Ryzen 5 + 16GB) with lots of room for expansion. It was the most money I've paid for a PC in decades, but it should last for awhile. I found it amusing that not one reviewer discussed performance for work...either developers don't leave reviews, they don't buy 'gaming' rigs, or most consumers are just looking for a pretty toy to play with.
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kmoorevs wrote:
yesterday I ordered a new desktop system (AMD Ryzen 5 + 16GB) with lots of room for expansion
That's the same desktop that I'm using daily. I've been running this rig for over 4 years now and it is still going great. Typing on it right now. (Running Ubuntu 22.04.3LTS -- RDP to win 10 machines for work). Good luck!
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Wow, I finally upgraded to win11 on my laptop ( Ryzen 7 4700, 16GB ram) and I've just discovered that you can no longer move the taskbar to the left or right side of the screen (vertical). I've done this for quite some time now because screen widths have increased but you have less vertical space. And, yes, I know I can make it hide itself (really dislike waiting on it to appear). How to set the Windows 11 taskbar vertical?[^] Short answer: You can't Customization is a bad idea if you think about it. People far smarter than me have discovered what is best and I just need to conform. :rolleyes: Also: Disk Space I had 42GB free before upgrading and now I have 22GB free. Wow, is there 20GB of new stuff in win11 -- I guess it's all the pretty colors, right? EDIT Oh, I found 30.9GB of temporary files - 26.9GB from the old system. I'm going to delete them now, because I live dangerously. :) EDIT 2 Why is Win11 showing that I have an update that references a Win10 update? :confused::confused: See snapshot here[^].
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Wow, I finally upgraded to win11 on my laptop ( Ryzen 7 4700, 16GB ram) and I've just discovered that you can no longer move the taskbar to the left or right side of the screen (vertical). I've done this for quite some time now because screen widths have increased but you have less vertical space. And, yes, I know I can make it hide itself (really dislike waiting on it to appear). How to set the Windows 11 taskbar vertical?[^] Short answer: You can't Customization is a bad idea if you think about it. People far smarter than me have discovered what is best and I just need to conform. :rolleyes: Also: Disk Space I had 42GB free before upgrading and now I have 22GB free. Wow, is there 20GB of new stuff in win11 -- I guess it's all the pretty colors, right? EDIT Oh, I found 30.9GB of temporary files - 26.9GB from the old system. I'm going to delete them now, because I live dangerously. :) EDIT 2 Why is Win11 showing that I have an update that references a Win10 update? :confused::confused: See snapshot here[^].
Rotate your monitor and use it in portrait mode. Then your taskbar, at the bottom, with run along the shorter edge and you'll still have a ton more stuff visible vertically. That's not how my primary monitor is set up, but it works rather nicely with my secondary one.
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Wow, I finally upgraded to win11 on my laptop ( Ryzen 7 4700, 16GB ram) and I've just discovered that you can no longer move the taskbar to the left or right side of the screen (vertical). I've done this for quite some time now because screen widths have increased but you have less vertical space. And, yes, I know I can make it hide itself (really dislike waiting on it to appear). How to set the Windows 11 taskbar vertical?[^] Short answer: You can't Customization is a bad idea if you think about it. People far smarter than me have discovered what is best and I just need to conform. :rolleyes: Also: Disk Space I had 42GB free before upgrading and now I have 22GB free. Wow, is there 20GB of new stuff in win11 -- I guess it's all the pretty colors, right? EDIT Oh, I found 30.9GB of temporary files - 26.9GB from the old system. I'm going to delete them now, because I live dangerously. :) EDIT 2 Why is Win11 showing that I have an update that references a Win10 update? :confused::confused: See snapshot here[^].
I feel the pain too when I read that this was being removed, last week. Have had my task bar on the left for years and enjoy it - it feels like less distance to travel with the mouse when flipping between many open apps/windows. I think this is because I have the habit of putting the mouse off to the right side of the screen to get the cursor out of my way. Maybe I will have to change to putting it at the bottom. I use shortcut key combos to as much as I can since this is the fastest vs mousing, but alt-tabbing through your windows when you have many apps open is still slower than mouse clicking on the app in the taskbar.
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MS has also caught this disease that Google had for a long time, of removing features and killing products entirely :sigh:
Cheers, Vikram.
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I feel your pain. Of course you want a vertical taskbar, screen height is the most valuable asset of a computer. Only idiots remove features and call it an upgrade. Fortunately there is a third-party solution[^] that I'm happy about. For as long as it continues to work that is.
Luc Pattyn [My Articles] The Windows 11 taskbar is a disgrace; a third-party add-on is needed to reverse the deterioration. I decline such a downgrade.
Yep. I've been using ExplorerPatcher for quite a while now and have had no problems with it. Since I started using wide screen monitors I've always moved my taskbar to the left side of the screen. I want to keep as much vertical space as possible. I also like using the Quick Launch tool bar.
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Wow, I finally upgraded to win11 on my laptop ( Ryzen 7 4700, 16GB ram) and I've just discovered that you can no longer move the taskbar to the left or right side of the screen (vertical). I've done this for quite some time now because screen widths have increased but you have less vertical space. And, yes, I know I can make it hide itself (really dislike waiting on it to appear). How to set the Windows 11 taskbar vertical?[^] Short answer: You can't Customization is a bad idea if you think about it. People far smarter than me have discovered what is best and I just need to conform. :rolleyes: Also: Disk Space I had 42GB free before upgrading and now I have 22GB free. Wow, is there 20GB of new stuff in win11 -- I guess it's all the pretty colors, right? EDIT Oh, I found 30.9GB of temporary files - 26.9GB from the old system. I'm going to delete them now, because I live dangerously. :) EDIT 2 Why is Win11 showing that I have an update that references a Win10 update? :confused::confused: See snapshot here[^].
raddevus wrote:
How to set the Windows 11 taskbar vertical?[^] Short answer: You can't Customization is a bad idea if you think about it. People far smarter than me have discovered what is best and I just need to conform. :rolleyes:
In it's last doomed attempt to create a two screen fold like a book tablet contraption the MS devs created a new taskbar because the old one wouldn't work well for their application. So far nothing wrong here, except that when it was cancelled the :elephant:faced PM was unwilling to let his baby go and somehow convinced the rest of the Windows leadership team to ram his totally unfit for desktop use in it's current state contraption down everyone's throats even though there wasn't enough time to actually make it feature complete.
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Wow, I finally upgraded to win11 on my laptop ( Ryzen 7 4700, 16GB ram) and I've just discovered that you can no longer move the taskbar to the left or right side of the screen (vertical). I've done this for quite some time now because screen widths have increased but you have less vertical space. And, yes, I know I can make it hide itself (really dislike waiting on it to appear). How to set the Windows 11 taskbar vertical?[^] Short answer: You can't Customization is a bad idea if you think about it. People far smarter than me have discovered what is best and I just need to conform. :rolleyes: Also: Disk Space I had 42GB free before upgrading and now I have 22GB free. Wow, is there 20GB of new stuff in win11 -- I guess it's all the pretty colors, right? EDIT Oh, I found 30.9GB of temporary files - 26.9GB from the old system. I'm going to delete them now, because I live dangerously. :) EDIT 2 Why is Win11 showing that I have an update that references a Win10 update? :confused::confused: See snapshot here[^].
I read somewhere MS is working on the new/old feature, and will support moving taskbar to left/right side in future again. Win 11 sucks (
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MS has also caught this disease that Google had for a long time, of removing features and killing products entirely :sigh:
Cheers, Vikram.
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Rotate your monitor and use it in portrait mode. Then your taskbar, at the bottom, with run along the shorter edge and you'll still have a ton more stuff visible vertically. That's not how my primary monitor is set up, but it works rather nicely with my secondary one.
although your suggestion is good, having to rotate your monitor to adapt to stupidity from MS is satirical. :)
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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I read somewhere MS is working on the new/old feature, and will support moving taskbar to left/right side in future again. Win 11 sucks (
there have to be smart people working at MS right? I just shake my head in wonder.... I get they want to support other devices, but there is no fathomable reason to limit other users...
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
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although your suggestion is good, having to rotate your monitor to adapt to stupidity from MS is satirical. :)
Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.
charlieg wrote:
having to rotate your monitor to adapt to stupidity from MS is satirical
That's a good way to describe it. :-) I would NOT rotate my monitor if the sole reason was that MS won't let you move the taskbar to its side. It definitely has its use.
