Odd Thing Learned Today: Bracketed paste
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I learned something today: [Bracketed-paste](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracketed-paste) I'm spending more and more (most, actually) of my time these days in macOS, Ubuntu and Debian, and that ^[200~ appended to the text I paste into terminals has been driving me nuts (though I'm loving Ubuntu - which is not what I expected). Is it just me or is bracketed paste an attempt to fix a small inconvenience for a few by means of adding a major inconvenience for the many? Anyone else learned something trivial and bizarre this week?
cheers Chris Maunder
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I learned something today: [Bracketed-paste](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracketed-paste) I'm spending more and more (most, actually) of my time these days in macOS, Ubuntu and Debian, and that ^[200~ appended to the text I paste into terminals has been driving me nuts (though I'm loving Ubuntu - which is not what I expected). Is it just me or is bracketed paste an attempt to fix a small inconvenience for a few by means of adding a major inconvenience for the many? Anyone else learned something trivial and bizarre this week?
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
Anyone else learned something trivial and bizarre this week?
I learned you're loving Ubuntu. Not sure if this means the world is about to end though. :laugh: :laugh:
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm loving Ubuntu - which is not what I expected
Real talk though, Debian is awesome (or its derivates I reckon). It's my daily driver for WSL.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Is it just me or is bracketed paste an attempt to fix a small inconvenience for a few by means of adding a major inconvenience for the many?
Well, Unix, and Linux too since it was inspired by Unix, has design choices that date back to the 60s. So, ya know, bell hops and burger joints with a side of Unix was all the rave.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Anyone else learned something trivial and bizarre this week?
Haven't learned anything crazy this week, but I can offer you some good old fashioned torture. There's [Linux From Scratch](https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/) to play around with too. Where you build everything, and I mean everything, from source. This ain't Gentoo either, they don't hold your hand while you build. It's gonna be rough. Fun Raspberry Pi project though. Wouldn't actually build a distro unless it's like for an embedded device, but sure is a "fun" learning experience.
Jeremy Falcon
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Anyone else learned something trivial and bizarre this week?
I learned you're loving Ubuntu. Not sure if this means the world is about to end though. :laugh: :laugh:
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm loving Ubuntu - which is not what I expected
Real talk though, Debian is awesome (or its derivates I reckon). It's my daily driver for WSL.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Is it just me or is bracketed paste an attempt to fix a small inconvenience for a few by means of adding a major inconvenience for the many?
Well, Unix, and Linux too since it was inspired by Unix, has design choices that date back to the 60s. So, ya know, bell hops and burger joints with a side of Unix was all the rave.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Anyone else learned something trivial and bizarre this week?
Haven't learned anything crazy this week, but I can offer you some good old fashioned torture. There's [Linux From Scratch](https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/) to play around with too. Where you build everything, and I mean everything, from source. This ain't Gentoo either, they don't hold your hand while you build. It's gonna be rough. Fun Raspberry Pi project though. Wouldn't actually build a distro unless it's like for an embedded device, but sure is a "fun" learning experience.
Jeremy Falcon
Again, taking the term 'fun' to optimistic heights hitherto unexplored. There shall seemingly never be a glass half-empty for you!
Our Forgotten Astronomy | Object Oriented Programming with C++ | Wordle solver
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Again, taking the term 'fun' to optimistic heights hitherto unexplored. There shall seemingly never be a glass half-empty for you!
Our Forgotten Astronomy | Object Oriented Programming with C++ | Wordle solver
David O'Neil wrote:
There shall seemingly never be a glass half-empty for you!
Oh, you'll hear me complaining.... I promise. :laugh:
Jeremy Falcon
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Anyone else learned something trivial and bizarre this week?
I learned you're loving Ubuntu. Not sure if this means the world is about to end though. :laugh: :laugh:
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm loving Ubuntu - which is not what I expected
Real talk though, Debian is awesome (or its derivates I reckon). It's my daily driver for WSL.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Is it just me or is bracketed paste an attempt to fix a small inconvenience for a few by means of adding a major inconvenience for the many?
Well, Unix, and Linux too since it was inspired by Unix, has design choices that date back to the 60s. So, ya know, bell hops and burger joints with a side of Unix was all the rave.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Anyone else learned something trivial and bizarre this week?
Haven't learned anything crazy this week, but I can offer you some good old fashioned torture. There's [Linux From Scratch](https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/) to play around with too. Where you build everything, and I mean everything, from source. This ain't Gentoo either, they don't hold your hand while you build. It's gonna be rough. Fun Raspberry Pi project though. Wouldn't actually build a distro unless it's like for an embedded device, but sure is a "fun" learning experience.
Jeremy Falcon
I'm finding Debian a little too rough around the edges. It feels like it was built by engineers who are more focussed on the system than on what the system can do for users. Ubuntu is slick. Things generally just work, I rarely have to go in and do something unexpected like pull an OpenSSL git repo then build and install it. It's like walking into a house and realising you're going to have to finish the plumbing before you use the bathroom. I'm also getting more lock-ups on Debian than Ubuntu. Not a single issue with Ubuntu on my Dell laptop so far. In fact, more stable than Windows 11 so far. Plus there are some apps (eg Slack) that just don't seem to be available (at least on casual inspection) on Debian, but are present and accounted for in Ubuntu. I just want my OS to be invisible and let me get work done, and Ubuntu has been a huge breath of fresh air in that regard.
cheers Chris Maunder
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I'm finding Debian a little too rough around the edges. It feels like it was built by engineers who are more focussed on the system than on what the system can do for users. Ubuntu is slick. Things generally just work, I rarely have to go in and do something unexpected like pull an OpenSSL git repo then build and install it. It's like walking into a house and realising you're going to have to finish the plumbing before you use the bathroom. I'm also getting more lock-ups on Debian than Ubuntu. Not a single issue with Ubuntu on my Dell laptop so far. In fact, more stable than Windows 11 so far. Plus there are some apps (eg Slack) that just don't seem to be available (at least on casual inspection) on Debian, but are present and accounted for in Ubuntu. I just want my OS to be invisible and let me get work done, and Ubuntu has been a huge breath of fresh air in that regard.
cheers Chris Maunder
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm finding Debian a little too rough around the edges.
I should say, I use Debian directly for a server environment. That being said, I've used a KDE desktop on it with no real issues outside of KDE quirks. Buuuutttt....
Chris Maunder wrote:
Ubuntu is slick. Things generally just work, I rarely have to go in and do something unexpected like pull an OpenSSL git repo then build and install it. It's like walking into a house and realising you're going to have to finish the plumbing before you use the bathroom.
That's where projects like Ubuntu or Kubuntu shine. Not to discredit their work, but they essentially take the base distro and ship it with a crap ton more drivers, etc. Unbuntu runs slower on older machines when compared to the same version of Debian directly though. But, if your machine is beefy enough, totally get it. It's the Macs of Linux. :laugh: Btw, I promise you don't have to build OpenSSL for direct Debian... I swore.
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm also getting more lock-ups on Debian than Ubuntu. Not a single issue with Ubuntu on my Dell laptop so far. In fact, more stable than Windows 11 so far. Plus there are some apps (eg Slack) that just don't seem to be available (at least on casual inspection) on Debian, but are present and accounted for in Ubuntu.
If you get a lockup on Debian it's driver related. Maybe the wrong one is installed. Who knows. And you're totally right about Slack. Dunno why Slack doesn't make a direct download for it, but since Unbuntu is just sugar coated Debian, Debian runs the Unbuntu version (I've done it)... provided you got the requirements installed. Not an out of the box experience though, you gotta earn it. :laugh:
Chris Maunder wrote:
I just want my OS to be invisible and let me get work done, and Ubuntu has been a huge breath of fresh air in that regard.
Yeah man, Unbuntu/Kubuntu is great for stuff like install it and get on with life. Debian if you want to tinker or are a masochist. If I used Linux on the desktop that much, I'd probably be using it too. I'm in server/console land though.
Jeremy Falcon
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Anyone else learned something trivial and bizarre this week?
I learned you're loving Ubuntu. Not sure if this means the world is about to end though. :laugh: :laugh:
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm loving Ubuntu - which is not what I expected
Real talk though, Debian is awesome (or its derivates I reckon). It's my daily driver for WSL.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Is it just me or is bracketed paste an attempt to fix a small inconvenience for a few by means of adding a major inconvenience for the many?
Well, Unix, and Linux too since it was inspired by Unix, has design choices that date back to the 60s. So, ya know, bell hops and burger joints with a side of Unix was all the rave.
Chris Maunder wrote:
Anyone else learned something trivial and bizarre this week?
Haven't learned anything crazy this week, but I can offer you some good old fashioned torture. There's [Linux From Scratch](https://www.linuxfromscratch.org/) to play around with too. Where you build everything, and I mean everything, from source. This ain't Gentoo either, they don't hold your hand while you build. It's gonna be rough. Fun Raspberry Pi project though. Wouldn't actually build a distro unless it's like for an embedded device, but sure is a "fun" learning experience.
Jeremy Falcon
I am seriously looking forward to a raspberry pi and some funfunfun with linuxfromscratch.org :-D
J’veux qu’on rie J’veux qu’on danse J’veux qu’on s’amuse comme des fous J’veux qu’on rie J’veux qu’on danse Quand c’est qu’on m’mettra dans l’trou?
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I learned something today: [Bracketed-paste](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracketed-paste) I'm spending more and more (most, actually) of my time these days in macOS, Ubuntu and Debian, and that ^[200~ appended to the text I paste into terminals has been driving me nuts (though I'm loving Ubuntu - which is not what I expected). Is it just me or is bracketed paste an attempt to fix a small inconvenience for a few by means of adding a major inconvenience for the many? Anyone else learned something trivial and bizarre this week?
cheers Chris Maunder
This annoying paste thing can be fixed by putting this file in your home directory on the *target* machine:
+ cat .inputrc
set enable-bracketed-paste Off
+It is documented in man 3 readline
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This annoying paste thing can be fixed by putting this file in your home directory on the *target* machine:
+ cat .inputrc
set enable-bracketed-paste Off
+It is documented in man 3 readline
I owe you a beer
cheers Chris Maunder
