Dear Apple, Why do you hate grandma?
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My mom, a 92 year old grandmother, dreads every ios update pushed to her phone. Why do the Apple UI/UX people have to move EVERYTHING every time? Seems to me Apple has WAAAAAY to many UI/UX folks that need to justify their existence? Now, grandma is no slouch. We're talking about an early adopter here. She always gets the latest iPhone and loves it. Uses her iPad constantly. But the updates are keeling her.
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My mom, a 92 year old grandmother, dreads every ios update pushed to her phone. Why do the Apple UI/UX people have to move EVERYTHING every time? Seems to me Apple has WAAAAAY to many UI/UX folks that need to justify their existence? Now, grandma is no slouch. We're talking about an early adopter here. She always gets the latest iPhone and loves it. Uses her iPad constantly. But the updates are keeling her.
Bless her heart.
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My mom, a 92 year old grandmother, dreads every ios update pushed to her phone. Why do the Apple UI/UX people have to move EVERYTHING every time? Seems to me Apple has WAAAAAY to many UI/UX folks that need to justify their existence? Now, grandma is no slouch. We're talking about an early adopter here. She always gets the latest iPhone and loves it. Uses her iPad constantly. But the updates are keeling her.
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My mom, a 92 year old grandmother, dreads every ios update pushed to her phone. Why do the Apple UI/UX people have to move EVERYTHING every time? Seems to me Apple has WAAAAAY to many UI/UX folks that need to justify their existence? Now, grandma is no slouch. We're talking about an early adopter here. She always gets the latest iPhone and loves it. Uses her iPad constantly. But the updates are keeling her.
Whether it's a sign of too many UI/UX folks, it's a sign very poor planning in that area. The changes could be reduced if capabilities planned in future releases were taken into account instead of churning the UI every release. I worked on a product that decided to change its UI. The difference, compared to the Apple, was that it had a much smaller customer base consisting of large companies. The people in those companies who used the product pushed back on the UI changes because they already knew how to use the product and didn't want to learn how all over again. This killed the UI "improvement" initiative. Apple, on the other hand, faces no significant, if any, pushback.
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My mom, a 92 year old grandmother, dreads every ios update pushed to her phone. Why do the Apple UI/UX people have to move EVERYTHING every time? Seems to me Apple has WAAAAAY to many UI/UX folks that need to justify their existence? Now, grandma is no slouch. We're talking about an early adopter here. She always gets the latest iPhone and loves it. Uses her iPad constantly. But the updates are keeling her.
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My mom, a 92 year old grandmother, dreads every ios update pushed to her phone. Why do the Apple UI/UX people have to move EVERYTHING every time? Seems to me Apple has WAAAAAY to many UI/UX folks that need to justify their existence? Now, grandma is no slouch. We're talking about an early adopter here. She always gets the latest iPhone and loves it. Uses her iPad constantly. But the updates are keeling her.
I feel ya as a long time iphone user. But I gotta say that Microsoft started that trend, afaik. Microsoft has been rearranging the furniture for 3 or 4 decades now. I think that's their attempt to make you feel like it was money well spent. :laugh:
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My mom, a 92 year old grandmother, dreads every ios update pushed to her phone. Why do the Apple UI/UX people have to move EVERYTHING every time? Seems to me Apple has WAAAAAY to many UI/UX folks that need to justify their existence? Now, grandma is no slouch. We're talking about an early adopter here. She always gets the latest iPhone and loves it. Uses her iPad constantly. But the updates are keeling her.
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I have a cheapo galaxy A25 or something. I love it. Then again, I don't do much with phones, but it's unobtrusive and fast.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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My mom, a 92 year old grandmother, dreads every ios update pushed to her phone. Why do the Apple UI/UX people have to move EVERYTHING every time? Seems to me Apple has WAAAAAY to many UI/UX folks that need to justify their existence? Now, grandma is no slouch. We're talking about an early adopter here. She always gets the latest iPhone and loves it. Uses her iPad constantly. But the updates are keeling her.
I'm a firm believer Apple's decline started when Jobs passed. They're just so big it's gonna be a looooooong decline. Or maybe they're too big now to fail... even if they're dumber. But, you start to see it in some questionable choices, like Apple TV forcing more clicks to get to paid movies, etc. I don't use Android, but if I had to guess they change crap up too. The real issue is, Apple used to make elegant changes. Now, it's just changes that are in lower quality than what we've become accustomed too. So for now, IMO, it's still better than the alternative, but since the real mind behind Apple is gone, they're gonna level themselves out in terms of elegance. Welcome to change.
Jeremy Falcon
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I have a cheapo galaxy A25 or something. I love it. Then again, I don't do much with phones, but it's unobtrusive and fast.
Check out my IoT graphics library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/gfx And my IoT UI/User Experience library here: https://honeythecodewitch.com/uix
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I'm a firm believer Apple's decline started when Jobs passed. They're just so big it's gonna be a looooooong decline. Or maybe they're too big now to fail... even if they're dumber. But, you start to see it in some questionable choices, like Apple TV forcing more clicks to get to paid movies, etc. I don't use Android, but if I had to guess they change crap up too. The real issue is, Apple used to make elegant changes. Now, it's just changes that are in lower quality than what we've become accustomed too. So for now, IMO, it's still better than the alternative, but since the real mind behind Apple is gone, they're gonna level themselves out in terms of elegance. Welcome to change.
Jeremy Falcon
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I'm a firm believer Apple's decline started when Jobs passed. They're just so big it's gonna be a looooooong decline. Or maybe they're too big now to fail... even if they're dumber. But, you start to see it in some questionable choices, like Apple TV forcing more clicks to get to paid movies, etc. I don't use Android, but if I had to guess they change crap up too. The real issue is, Apple used to make elegant changes. Now, it's just changes that are in lower quality than what we've become accustomed too. So for now, IMO, it's still better than the alternative, but since the real mind behind Apple is gone, they're gonna level themselves out in terms of elegance. Welcome to change.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I don't use Android, but if I had to guess they change crap up too...
I'm not so sure. I've never used Apple, but an Apple coworker who wanted to play Men At Work's 'Down Under' song for her husband asked me for help (they aren't very technically literate). I figured it couldn't be too hard - just pull up YouTube, search the song, pause it, and play when she sees her husband. Opened up Safari and was gobsmacked to find that it didn't give me access to the address bar! Pulled down, pulled up, ... the only option I could find was to type 'youtube.com' into the google search bar on the Safari screen. My Android browser has ALWAYS given me access to the address bar (Samsung), even if I have to pull down on the screen to make it appear. I am missing something - tell me I am missing something! It can't be that restrictive! Even worse, tested it by pausing the video then hitting the home button. Going back to Safari, the video wasn't up! It went to default, or something. I've never had that happen with my phone browser. Every time I've played with Apple stuff I end up shaking my head in wonderment of their non-intuitiveness - like the time I played on a Mac and didn't know the trick to two-finger scrolling. Couldn't use the mouse to grab the scrollbar, so couldn't even scroll a web page intuitively. :sigh: :sigh: :sigh:
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
I don't use Android, but if I had to guess they change crap up too...
I'm not so sure. I've never used Apple, but an Apple coworker who wanted to play Men At Work's 'Down Under' song for her husband asked me for help (they aren't very technically literate). I figured it couldn't be too hard - just pull up YouTube, search the song, pause it, and play when she sees her husband. Opened up Safari and was gobsmacked to find that it didn't give me access to the address bar! Pulled down, pulled up, ... the only option I could find was to type 'youtube.com' into the google search bar on the Safari screen. My Android browser has ALWAYS given me access to the address bar (Samsung), even if I have to pull down on the screen to make it appear. I am missing something - tell me I am missing something! It can't be that restrictive! Even worse, tested it by pausing the video then hitting the home button. Going back to Safari, the video wasn't up! It went to default, or something. I've never had that happen with my phone browser. Every time I've played with Apple stuff I end up shaking my head in wonderment of their non-intuitiveness - like the time I played on a Mac and didn't know the trick to two-finger scrolling. Couldn't use the mouse to grab the scrollbar, so couldn't even scroll a web page intuitively. :sigh: :sigh: :sigh:
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David O'Neil wrote:
I am missing something - tell me I am missing something! It can't be that restrictive!
Mobile Safari does this thing where scrolling down will hide the address bar and bottom toolbar to make the website feel more like an application. Which seems like a great idea, and stuff should reappear when you scroll up. Buuttt, I have seen it get stuck on occasion. Not sure what triggers that. To me though, that's just a bug (dear God I hope so) and not intentionally designed to be stuck. My point was more about Apple losing its elegance on the things it intended to do. Assuming that getting stuck wasn't a design feature. :laugh: But yeah, it's whack to have that happen.
David O'Neil wrote:
Even worse, tested it by pausing the video then hitting the home button. Going back to Safari, the video wasn't up! It went to default, or something. I've never had that happen with my phone browser.
Yeah when it gets stuck, you either gotta scroll like a wild man and pray or just close Safari out. The Home button won't do it, that's akin to minimizing the app while its still running.
David O'Neil wrote:
Every time I've played with Apple stuff I end up shaking my head in wonderment of their non-intuitiveness - like the time I played on a Mac and didn't know the trick to two-finger scrolling. Couldn't use the mouse to grab the scrollbar, so couldn't even scroll a web page intuitively.
As far as the two finger scrolling on a trackpad, that's an industry thing. It's the same exact way on a PC laptop. Not like Windows advertises that either. So let's at least play fair... you hate two finger scrolling. :laugh: About the mouse scrolling, the PC world never gets really creative, so my guess you're thinking like a PC user. A typical PC user acts like the world is about to end if Microsoft changes one icon. Apple is nothing of the sort. They will try new things and innovate. Microsoft does not innovate; they copy. And so they will eventually copy Apple once things become accepted or not after Apple gives it a go. It's always been that way (except for AR), and scrolling is no different. So, if you don't like change Macs aren't for you. :laugh: Anyway, about scrolling... Macs attempt to aim for elegance. Well, they used to. So you may wanna watch a tutorial on how to scroll. There are sc
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David O'Neil wrote:
I am missing something - tell me I am missing something! It can't be that restrictive!
Mobile Safari does this thing where scrolling down will hide the address bar and bottom toolbar to make the website feel more like an application. Which seems like a great idea, and stuff should reappear when you scroll up. Buuttt, I have seen it get stuck on occasion. Not sure what triggers that. To me though, that's just a bug (dear God I hope so) and not intentionally designed to be stuck. My point was more about Apple losing its elegance on the things it intended to do. Assuming that getting stuck wasn't a design feature. :laugh: But yeah, it's whack to have that happen.
David O'Neil wrote:
Even worse, tested it by pausing the video then hitting the home button. Going back to Safari, the video wasn't up! It went to default, or something. I've never had that happen with my phone browser.
Yeah when it gets stuck, you either gotta scroll like a wild man and pray or just close Safari out. The Home button won't do it, that's akin to minimizing the app while its still running.
David O'Neil wrote:
Every time I've played with Apple stuff I end up shaking my head in wonderment of their non-intuitiveness - like the time I played on a Mac and didn't know the trick to two-finger scrolling. Couldn't use the mouse to grab the scrollbar, so couldn't even scroll a web page intuitively.
As far as the two finger scrolling on a trackpad, that's an industry thing. It's the same exact way on a PC laptop. Not like Windows advertises that either. So let's at least play fair... you hate two finger scrolling. :laugh: About the mouse scrolling, the PC world never gets really creative, so my guess you're thinking like a PC user. A typical PC user acts like the world is about to end if Microsoft changes one icon. Apple is nothing of the sort. They will try new things and innovate. Microsoft does not innovate; they copy. And so they will eventually copy Apple once things become accepted or not after Apple gives it a go. It's always been that way (except for AR), and scrolling is no different. So, if you don't like change Macs aren't for you. :laugh: Anyway, about scrolling... Macs attempt to aim for elegance. Well, they used to. So you may wanna watch a tutorial on how to scroll. There are sc
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So let's at least play fair... you hate two finger scrolling.
To be fair, it wasn't even about two-finger scrolling. I had only been exposed to it on crappy Windows laptop pads, and it never worked right. I didn't expect two-finger scrolling to be incorporated into the mouse itself, so wasn't expecting that to be THE ONLY WAY to scroll. What the real issue was is that I could not get Safari to scroll up and down even using the intuitive way: getting the scroll bar to appear, clicking on it with the mouse, and dragging, or clicking above/below the scrollbar. I believe I even tried page up/down, and didn't get that to work either, but I'm not sure about that - it was a while ago. When I finally found out how two-finger scrolling works on Macs I kinda liked it. But figuring that out when I'd heard and seen that Apple only uses one-button mice? It just wasn't an intuitive jump. Everyone (said?) Apples are intuitive. I don't buy that any more. If you buy an Apple product without any background in the ecosystem you will probably need a friend to get you started, or videos, like you said.
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Whether it's a sign of too many UI/UX folks, it's a sign very poor planning in that area. The changes could be reduced if capabilities planned in future releases were taken into account instead of churning the UI every release. I worked on a product that decided to change its UI. The difference, compared to the Apple, was that it had a much smaller customer base consisting of large companies. The people in those companies who used the product pushed back on the UI changes because they already knew how to use the product and didn't want to learn how all over again. This killed the UI "improvement" initiative. Apple, on the other hand, faces no significant, if any, pushback.
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
So let's at least play fair... you hate two finger scrolling.
To be fair, it wasn't even about two-finger scrolling. I had only been exposed to it on crappy Windows laptop pads, and it never worked right. I didn't expect two-finger scrolling to be incorporated into the mouse itself, so wasn't expecting that to be THE ONLY WAY to scroll. What the real issue was is that I could not get Safari to scroll up and down even using the intuitive way: getting the scroll bar to appear, clicking on it with the mouse, and dragging, or clicking above/below the scrollbar. I believe I even tried page up/down, and didn't get that to work either, but I'm not sure about that - it was a while ago. When I finally found out how two-finger scrolling works on Macs I kinda liked it. But figuring that out when I'd heard and seen that Apple only uses one-button mice? It just wasn't an intuitive jump. Everyone (said?) Apples are intuitive. I don't buy that any more. If you buy an Apple product without any background in the ecosystem you will probably need a friend to get you started, or videos, like you said.
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David O'Neil wrote:
. I didn't expect two-finger scrolling to be incorporated into the mouse itself, so wasn't expecting that to be THE ONLY WAY to scroll.
It's one finger scrolling on a mouse and two finger on a trackpad. And just a heads up dude... don't shout. Like, you really that emotional right now? If that's trying to be funny it ain't. You're forgetting something, Macs integrate software and hardware. You should know this. Also, you didn't watch the video link otherwise you'd see the error in your statement. Come on man, do better.
Jeremy Falcon
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Err... usually Apple gets grief because the iOS UI didn't change enough (compared to Android).
The Android UI changes?! :omg: I've installed Microsoft Launcher as one of the first apps on the last 4 Android phones I've had so, as far as I can tell, the UI has stayed pretty much the same for about 8 years.
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David O'Neil wrote:
. I didn't expect two-finger scrolling to be incorporated into the mouse itself, so wasn't expecting that to be THE ONLY WAY to scroll.
It's one finger scrolling on a mouse and two finger on a trackpad. And just a heads up dude... don't shout. Like, you really that emotional right now? If that's trying to be funny it ain't. You're forgetting something, Macs integrate software and hardware. You should know this. Also, you didn't watch the video link otherwise you'd see the error in your statement. Come on man, do better.
Jeremy Falcon
Chill! Your skin is thin today! Have a better one! :)
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I'm a firm believer Apple's decline started when Jobs passed. They're just so big it's gonna be a looooooong decline. Or maybe they're too big now to fail... even if they're dumber. But, you start to see it in some questionable choices, like Apple TV forcing more clicks to get to paid movies, etc. I don't use Android, but if I had to guess they change crap up too. The real issue is, Apple used to make elegant changes. Now, it's just changes that are in lower quality than what we've become accustomed too. So for now, IMO, it's still better than the alternative, but since the real mind behind Apple is gone, they're gonna level themselves out in terms of elegance. Welcome to change.
Jeremy Falcon
