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  • J Jeremy Falcon

    Yes, but the opinion of a UX expert writing said guidelines should at least hold some weight say against that of a gardener or a meth dealer. :laugh:

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    PJ Arends
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    should at least hold some weight say against that of a gardener or a meth dealer

    I will just keep my opinions to myself then

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    • M Maximilien

      I don't think there is a UI specific forum and the question is language agnostic... I have a UI with headers (days of the week) and checkbox/radiobox under each day of the week. Should I left align the checkbox/radio box with the header ? or center-align ? and columns will all be same width in the real thing. (x for check box, o and O for radio box )

      Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
      X X X X X
      o o o o o
      O o O O o
      o O o o O

      Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
      X X X X X
      o o o o o
      O o O O o
      o O o o O

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      rob tillaart
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      Have you considered rotating 90 degrees? So the weekdays form column one etc.

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      • J Jeremy Falcon

        Yes, but the opinion of a UX expert writing said guidelines should at least hold some weight say against that of a gardener or a meth dealer. :laugh:

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        Rick York
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        I give them no more weight than that gardener. I used to ask our cleaning lady for UI suggestions and got some great ones from her. We had to deal with a lot of non-computer savvy operators and she was the perfect person to ask since everyone else around was experienced. This so-called expert probably just read a few books and there is a high probability that I (and you) have more experience dealing with actual UIs than they do.

        "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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        • R Rick York

          I give them no more weight than that gardener. I used to ask our cleaning lady for UI suggestions and got some great ones from her. We had to deal with a lot of non-computer savvy operators and she was the perfect person to ask since everyone else around was experienced. This so-called expert probably just read a few books and there is a high probability that I (and you) have more experience dealing with actual UIs than they do.

          "They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers! Can I get an amen?"

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          Jeremy Falcon
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          That's an assumption... Devs deal with UI on a technical level, but most devs I know don't even know jack about CSS, for instance. They lie and pretend to, but they don't know anything about it. It's all ego and arrogance and fear and more of the nonsensical lies that fills our industry when a typical dev says they know it, but then they can't tell you the difference between pixel value and point value. A good dev should be able to with _with_ UX about new toys available, but that doesn't make the devs an expert of all things UX (not the same as UI). I consider myself pretty good at UX theory (not the best at all) and I know for a fact I've talked to more non-devs/users about the experience. And a good UX person will; a bad one won't. Most good UX peeps or marketing peeps I know love to chat about ideas and they speak to users way more than a dev with zero social skills. It's always a dev that argues about everything petty little thing (like this). Which I would argue makes devs much less qualified to find out what people really want. But, that goes for any role... like the aforementioned devs. And while you can consider a gardener an end user, the chance he/she talks to a larger sample size about an application is all but zero. Which means, it's statically invalid in and of itself. But someone who has a much larger sample size at least has a better chance of getting it "right". As in, you _should_ talk to a gardener as an end user and get their feedback, but you don't see that gardener going around talking to other end users as much as you would see that with someone who's job it is. Again, they have to be good at their job, but that goes for any role. Plenty of devs out there suck too and lack the self-awareness to see that.

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          • M Maximilien

            I don't think there is a UI specific forum and the question is language agnostic... I have a UI with headers (days of the week) and checkbox/radiobox under each day of the week. Should I left align the checkbox/radio box with the header ? or center-align ? and columns will all be same width in the real thing. (x for check box, o and O for radio box )

            Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
            X X X X X
            o o o o o
            O o O O o
            o O o o O

            Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
            X X X X X
            o o o o o
            O o O O o
            o O o o O

            Discuss/fight/troll me... Thanks.

            CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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            bryanren
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            To recover some screen space. Abbreviate the DoW to 3 letters - and even more questionable, rotate the DoW header text to 45 or 90 degrees. And centered. Then, just be evile, put the tab order of the fields going top-bottom then left to right. /s b

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            • M Maximilien

              I don't think there is a UI specific forum and the question is language agnostic... I have a UI with headers (days of the week) and checkbox/radiobox under each day of the week. Should I left align the checkbox/radio box with the header ? or center-align ? and columns will all be same width in the real thing. (x for check box, o and O for radio box )

              Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
              X X X X X
              o o o o o
              O o O O o
              o O o o O

              Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
              X X X X X
              o o o o o
              O o O O o
              o O o o O

              Discuss/fight/troll me... Thanks.

              CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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              jochance
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              I feel like you're giving right-align short shrift for no good reason.

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              • M Maximilien

                I don't think there is a UI specific forum and the question is language agnostic... I have a UI with headers (days of the week) and checkbox/radiobox under each day of the week. Should I left align the checkbox/radio box with the header ? or center-align ? and columns will all be same width in the real thing. (x for check box, o and O for radio box )

                Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
                X X X X X
                o o o o o
                O o O O o
                o O o o O

                Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
                X X X X X
                o o o o o
                O o O O o
                o O o o O

                Discuss/fight/troll me... Thanks.

                CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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                Bud Staniek
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                *Always* center-align columns of standalone checkboxes. The Budster

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                • M Maximilien

                  I don't think there is a UI specific forum and the question is language agnostic... I have a UI with headers (days of the week) and checkbox/radiobox under each day of the week. Should I left align the checkbox/radio box with the header ? or center-align ? and columns will all be same width in the real thing. (x for check box, o and O for radio box )

                  Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
                  X X X X X
                  o o o o o
                  O o O O o
                  o O o o O

                  Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
                  X X X X X
                  o o o o o
                  O o O O o
                  o O o o O

                  Discuss/fight/troll me... Thanks.

                  CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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                  Stacy Dudovitz
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                  Why not allow it to be configurable? Default perhaps to center aligned, and right click mouse button to select left/center(/right?). To really answer this question, best to get feedback from QA/alpha/beta testers methinks?

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                  • J Jeremy Falcon

                    Yes, but the opinion of a UX expert writing said guidelines should at least hold some weight say against that of a gardener or a meth dealer. :laugh:

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                    thewazz
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                    You don't know my meth dealer.

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                    • M Maximilien

                      I don't think there is a UI specific forum and the question is language agnostic... I have a UI with headers (days of the week) and checkbox/radiobox under each day of the week. Should I left align the checkbox/radio box with the header ? or center-align ? and columns will all be same width in the real thing. (x for check box, o and O for radio box )

                      Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
                      X X X X X
                      o o o o o
                      O o O O o
                      o O o o O

                      Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
                      X X X X X
                      o o o o o
                      O o O O o
                      o O o o O

                      Discuss/fight/troll me... Thanks.

                      CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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                      Mark Starr
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                      Center align as the first stab, but run it by Marketing and the stakeholders before rolling it out. Also, if you're replacing something or if there are other interfaces in the app, make sure it's consistent. :)

                      Time is the differentiation of eternity devised by man to measure the passage of human events. - Manly P. Hall Mark Just another cog in the wheel

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                      • T thewazz

                        You don't know my meth dealer.

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                        Jeremy Falcon
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #39

                        Ha ha ha. Touché

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                        • M Maximilien

                          I don't think there is a UI specific forum and the question is language agnostic... I have a UI with headers (days of the week) and checkbox/radiobox under each day of the week. Should I left align the checkbox/radio box with the header ? or center-align ? and columns will all be same width in the real thing. (x for check box, o and O for radio box )

                          Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
                          X X X X X
                          o o o o o
                          O o O O o
                          o O o o O

                          Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday
                          X X X X X
                          o o o o o
                          O o O O o
                          o O o o O

                          Discuss/fight/troll me... Thanks.

                          CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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                          DGrothe PhD
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                          center-align looks better for me.

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