Fortran
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Perhaps, for the first time in this millennium, FORTRAN comes in the Top 10 [TIOBE Index - TIOBE](https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/) [^] As a side note, my 'mother-tongue' is FORTRAN, being the first computer language i learnt in 1987. Hope this news isn't a repeat.
When I learned C I forgot Fortran, and was happy!
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Maybe they can become trainers, coaches. Income after retirement.
The problem with that is, whoever of the old gurus said (in the 1970s): 'I don't know what languages will look like in year 2000, but they will be called Fortran!' Fortran 2023 has very little to do with the Fortran I learned in my studies in 1978-83. (Fortran was limited to the first two years.) I do not recognize today's Fortran as anything even vaguely resembling what I learned back then. If I were to teach it, I would first have to learn it as a new language. Is GOTO at all a relevant statement in modern Fortran?
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
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Perhaps, for the first time in this millennium, FORTRAN comes in the Top 10 [TIOBE Index - TIOBE](https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/) [^] As a side note, my 'mother-tongue' is FORTRAN, being the first computer language i learnt in 1987. Hope this news isn't a repeat.
I had a class in C and FORTRAN in 87/88. I already knew FORTRAN, and I took it mostly for the C. The teacher tortured us by assigning programs to be solved in the language least suited to solve the problem. Write some numerical algorithm in C( not FORTRAN ). Write some parsing and word counting code in FORTRAN(not C) Kind of proved the point that you can solve any problem with any language.
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The problem with that is, whoever of the old gurus said (in the 1970s): 'I don't know what languages will look like in year 2000, but they will be called Fortran!' Fortran 2023 has very little to do with the Fortran I learned in my studies in 1978-83. (Fortran was limited to the first two years.) I do not recognize today's Fortran as anything even vaguely resembling what I learned back then. If I were to teach it, I would first have to learn it as a new language. Is GOTO at all a relevant statement in modern Fortran?
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
Agree. As I remember, FORTRAN 90, which I came across in the late 90's had the concept of Pointers. Today's FORTRAN may even have the concept of Classes. And the GOTO may be like "Hey GOTO, GO AWAY FOREVER".
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I had a class in C and FORTRAN in 87/88. I already knew FORTRAN, and I took it mostly for the C. The teacher tortured us by assigning programs to be solved in the language least suited to solve the problem. Write some numerical algorithm in C( not FORTRAN ). Write some parsing and word counting code in FORTRAN(not C) Kind of proved the point that you can solve any problem with any language.
Can we compare this with filling a round hole with a square peg? Only that the hole and peg are made of somewhat flexible rubbery material.
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Perhaps, for the first time in this millennium, FORTRAN comes in the Top 10 [TIOBE Index - TIOBE](https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/) [^] As a side note, my 'mother-tongue' is FORTRAN, being the first computer language i learnt in 1987. Hope this news isn't a repeat.
1971 1st year university Computer Science - FORTRAN IV on an IBM 360 with the WATFOR compiler which later became WATFIV. Punched cards and IBM golfball terminals. Then onto IBM 370 then onto CDC 7000 series all with FORTRAN IV. All this mixed with COBOL, PL/1 and assembler. Currently working with C# and thinking about learning Angular
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Nothing wrong with that Richard :)
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Perhaps, for the first time in this millennium, FORTRAN comes in the Top 10 [TIOBE Index - TIOBE](https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/) [^] As a side note, my 'mother-tongue' is FORTRAN, being the first computer language i learnt in 1987. Hope this news isn't a repeat.
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Perhaps, for the first time in this millennium, FORTRAN comes in the Top 10 [TIOBE Index - TIOBE](https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/) [^] As a side note, my 'mother-tongue' is FORTRAN, being the first computer language i learnt in 1987. Hope this news isn't a repeat.
I remember having to modify someone's C who wrote mainly in Fortran. It was basically Fortran with C syntax. You can write Fortran in any language.
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I thought I'd need a card puncher to write true Fortran ... (remembering that dangerous type of stack)
I have been writing Fortran since 1989 and have never used a punched card (or tape)
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I have been writing Fortran since 1989 and have never used a punched card (or tape)
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I remember having to modify someone's C who wrote mainly in Fortran. It was basically Fortran with C syntax. You can write Fortran in any language.
I still do that. I tend to write Fortran in C# and JavaScript. :)
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I thought I'd need a card puncher to write true Fortran ... (remembering that dangerous type of stack)
I remember, when I studied at the Indian Institute of Science, in Bengaluru, India, in the early 90's, our lab had a big stack of (unpunched) punch cards. I have kept a few of them as a souvenir.
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Amarnath S wrote:
GOTO, which was indeed a saviour in those days
Not in 1987! Maybe it was true in 1967, although we had had Algol since 1960 (or 1958 for early blomers). In 1968, we had the first major revision of Algol. Pascal arrived in 1970, Modula in 1975, C++ in 1985. Dijkstra's "Go to statement considered harmful" is dated 1968. If you considered GOTO 'a saviour' in 1987, you were either badly uninformed or extremely slow in adopting modern programming trends.
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
It rather depends whether you are talking about the 'vanilla' GOTO statement. which exists, in some form, in most languages, and at least arguably has a limited number of valid uses, or Fortran's 'Computed GOTO', which I can only recall using once in my life as a Fortran programmer, and which is probably one of the most bug-prone programming constructs ever devised!
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Amarnath S wrote:
GOTO, which was indeed a saviour in those days
Not in 1987! Maybe it was true in 1967, although we had had Algol since 1960 (or 1958 for early blomers). In 1968, we had the first major revision of Algol. Pascal arrived in 1970, Modula in 1975, C++ in 1985. Dijkstra's "Go to statement considered harmful" is dated 1968. If you considered GOTO 'a saviour' in 1987, you were either badly uninformed or extremely slow in adopting modern programming trends.
Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.
One of my Computer Science professors back in the late '80s had the memorable quote: "Be wary of anyone who refers to Fortran77 as 'the new Fortran'." :cool:
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Not to forget the now infamous GOTO, which was indeed a saviour in those days.
During my student days, we wrote a spoof Fortran language proposal to add the COMEFROM statement to replace the much derrided GOTO
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I have been writing Fortran since 1989 and have never used a punched card (or tape)
IBM 026 card punch machines and Olivetti teletypes producing blue paper tape where my starting point. Still have some original, unpunched, Fortran Statement cards kept as a souvenir.
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Seems you are not quite up to date if you are making such statements. And thus don't know the difference between FORTRAN and Fortran... ;P
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I remember having to modify someone's C who wrote mainly in Fortran. It was basically Fortran with C syntax. You can write Fortran in any language.
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Perhaps, for the first time in this millennium, FORTRAN comes in the Top 10 [TIOBE Index - TIOBE](https://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/) [^] As a side note, my 'mother-tongue' is FORTRAN, being the first computer language i learnt in 1987. Hope this news isn't a repeat.
"millennium" A little bold there :). But anyway, I've always been astonished at the amount of code that is our there written in "legacy" languages that run the world. Cobol, FORTRAN, PL1, God forbid Pascal. I'm in the process this year of proposing a system re-write of a FORTAN manufacturing system before everybody that knows about it is dead, including myself. I dug into this 10 years back or so, and I realized that 40% of the code is user input, 20% is actually processing data, and the last 40% is report generation. Moving this to a modern architecture will likely reduce the code base by 75%. Meanwhile this company has spent millions trying to create an equivalent system. I'm shooting for retirement income :)
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