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Once again - "If it's Boeing, it ain't going"

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  • O obermd

    Less than an hour after the Boeing/ULA rep made the (provably false) statement on live NASA TV that Starliner was riding on top of the most reliable rocket ever built, the launch was scrubbed due to an oxygen valve failure in the 2nd stage. The slogan used to be "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going". They lost this when they removed engineers from the C-Suite.

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    Maximilien
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    Nothing wrong here. How many nasa launches were scrubbed because of a sensor glitch ?

    CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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    • O obermd

      Less than an hour after the Boeing/ULA rep made the (provably false) statement on live NASA TV that Starliner was riding on top of the most reliable rocket ever built, the launch was scrubbed due to an oxygen valve failure in the 2nd stage. The slogan used to be "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going". They lost this when they removed engineers from the C-Suite.

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      jeron1
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      obermd wrote:

      the launch was scrubbed due to an oxygen valve failure in the 2nd stage

      A lot more honest then say, Morton Thiokol.

      "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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        obermd wrote:

        the launch was scrubbed due to an oxygen valve failure in the 2nd stage

        A lot more honest then say, Morton Thiokol.

        "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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        obermd
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        Morton Thiokol told NASA not to launch the Challenger that day. NASA overruled them because President Reagan was visiting.

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          Nothing wrong here. How many nasa launches were scrubbed because of a sensor glitch ?

          CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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          obermd
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          While I agree that the launch scrub was the right call, the disconnect between the ULA spokesperson's statement about the Atlas V being the most reliable launch system ever, the scrub, and the fact that SpaceX's Falcon 9 now has more successful launches and booster recoveries than Atlas V has launches just screams propaganda.

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          • O obermd

            Less than an hour after the Boeing/ULA rep made the (provably false) statement on live NASA TV that Starliner was riding on top of the most reliable rocket ever built, the launch was scrubbed due to an oxygen valve failure in the 2nd stage. The slogan used to be "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going". They lost this when they removed engineers from the C-Suite.

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            Roger Wright
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            obermd wrote:

            They lost this when they removed engineers from the C-Suite.

            Entirely correct. Of the three major defense companies I worked for in the past, none still exist. The end was clear once the MBAs and other unqualified suits took over management from the engineers who successfully ran the companies for decades.

            Will Rogers never met me.

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              Morton Thiokol told NASA not to launch the Challenger that day. NASA overruled them because President Reagan was visiting.

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              Morton Thiokol ultimately approved the launch, against engineers recommendations.

              "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                Morton Thiokol ultimately approved the launch, against engineers recommendations.

                "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                obermd
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                Morton Thiokol only approved the launch after NASA threatened to blacklist them for future contracts.

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                  Morton Thiokol only approved the launch after NASA threatened to blacklist them for future contracts.

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                  jeron1
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                  Agreed, it's a tough spot for them, nevertheless they bowed to the pressure.

                  "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                    Nothing wrong here. How many nasa launches were scrubbed because of a sensor glitch ?

                    CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair

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                    Daniel Pfeffer
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                    Maximilien wrote:

                    How many nasa launches were scrubbed

                    Not enough. At least one launch (the Challenger mission) should have been scrubbed, but wasn't.

                    Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.

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                    • O obermd

                      Less than an hour after the Boeing/ULA rep made the (provably false) statement on live NASA TV that Starliner was riding on top of the most reliable rocket ever built, the launch was scrubbed due to an oxygen valve failure in the 2nd stage. The slogan used to be "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going". They lost this when they removed engineers from the C-Suite.

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                      Maybe any other rocket would've had at least two oxygen valve failures :D

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                        Agreed, it's a tough spot for them, nevertheless they bowed to the pressure.

                        "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                        2:35:00 & 4:48:00 https://www.c-span.org/video/?126036-1/presidential-commission-space-shuttle-challenger-accident[^]

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                          obermd wrote:

                          They lost this when they removed engineers from the C-Suite.

                          Entirely correct. Of the three major defense companies I worked for in the past, none still exist. The end was clear once the MBAs and other unqualified suits took over management from the engineers who successfully ran the companies for decades.

                          Will Rogers never met me.

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                          Case in point: the 3 top level people at SOuthwest airlines are all accountants. They gave out over $5 Billion US dollars in stock dividends. They ignore the 1908s' level tech running their IT operations. IT cost them fines and passengers back in 2022(?) when they cancelled thousand of flights do to issues with their IT. Their IT is admittedly underfunded.

                          Cegarman document code? If it's not intuitive, you're in the wrong field :D Welcome to my Chaos and Confusion!

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                            obermd wrote:

                            They lost this when they removed engineers from the C-Suite.

                            Entirely correct. Of the three major defense companies I worked for in the past, none still exist. The end was clear once the MBAs and other unqualified suits took over management from the engineers who successfully ran the companies for decades.

                            Will Rogers never met me.

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                            and outsourced their software to people who don't know planes. Understanding the domain of where your code is going to work is critical, especially so in things that can go boom.

                            Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                              and outsourced their software to people who don't know planes. Understanding the domain of where your code is going to work is critical, especially so in things that can go boom.

                              Charlie Gilley “They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759 Has never been more appropriate.

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                              Roger Wright
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                              I can clearly recall the years when I worked for Ace Hardware for lack of a "real" job. The software they used was top of the line - a proprietary multi-tasking version of DOS called SuperDOS - and it was crap. One IBM PC ran three stores, two in our area and one in Reno, NV - using RS232 serial ports. It was easily the least reliable system I've ever seen, but it worked. The problem was, the software didn't do the things that a hardware store and lumber yard need it to do. I decided then and there that any programmer who intends to work on an industry-specific software product should be required to work in the target industry for 2 - 5 years before being allowed to code a single line.

                              Will Rogers never met me.

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                              • O obermd

                                Less than an hour after the Boeing/ULA rep made the (provably false) statement on live NASA TV that Starliner was riding on top of the most reliable rocket ever built, the launch was scrubbed due to an oxygen valve failure in the 2nd stage. The slogan used to be "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going". They lost this when they removed engineers from the C-Suite.

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                                den2k88
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                                Boeing used to make planes to blow up things, now they make things to blow up planes.

                                GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X The shortest horror story: On Error Resume Next

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