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  • L Lost User

    If you wish to format a date in Power Apps, there is a nice set of format letters to provide custom output. So using the Text function I can write

    Text(myDate, "mmm dd yy") // May 09 24

    Or for time I can write

    Text(myTime, "hhmm") // 1644

    Or I can combine them into

    Text(myDateTime, "hhmm mmm dd yy") // 1644 16 09 24

    Why would anyone think to use the same lower case letters for two very distinct fields? There is actually a work-around, make sure dd comes first in the date. Good luck 'mercans. :-D

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    Jeremy Falcon
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    Richard MacCutchan wrote:

    Why would anyone think to use the same lower case letters for two very distinct fields?

    Maybe they really like [Campbell’s Soup](https://www.hagley.org/fr/librarynews/campbell-s-soup-mm-mm-good)? Their slogan used to be Mmm Mmm Good.

    Jeremy Falcon

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    • realJSOPR realJSOP

      Because "mm" means minutes, and "mmm" means the three-letter short month name. If you want the two-digit month number, you use "MM". Custom date and time format strings - .NET | Microsoft Learn[^]

      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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      Lost User
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      No, you use lower case "m" for both.

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      • realJSOPR realJSOP

        Because "mm" means minutes, and "mmm" means the three-letter short month name. If you want the two-digit month number, you use "MM". Custom date and time format strings - .NET | Microsoft Learn[^]

        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
        -----
        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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        MarkTJohnson
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        I thought 'mmm' meant Beer. At least it does when Homer does it.

        I’ve given up trying to be calm. However, I am open to feeling slightly less agitated. I’m begging you for the benefit of everyone, don’t be STUPID.

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        • L Lost User

          If you wish to format a date in Power Apps, there is a nice set of format letters to provide custom output. So using the Text function I can write

          Text(myDate, "mmm dd yy") // May 09 24

          Or for time I can write

          Text(myTime, "hhmm") // 1644

          Or I can combine them into

          Text(myDateTime, "hhmm mmm dd yy") // 1644 16 09 24

          Why would anyone think to use the same lower case letters for two very distinct fields? There is actually a work-around, make sure dd comes first in the date. Good luck 'mercans. :-D

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          trønderen
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          I tried to make a struct with two fields named mm and mmm respectively. The compiler accepted it without any warning. Confusing, isn't it? :-)

          Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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          • J jackbrownii

            Richard MacCutchan wrote: There is actually a work-around, make sure dd comes first in the date. Good luck 'mercans. Big Grin | :-D I would make sure dd comes last. yyyy-mm-dd is my default format.

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            jochance
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            ISO or so-so.

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            • T trønderen

              I tried to make a struct with two fields named mm and mmm respectively. The compiler accepted it without any warning. Confusing, isn't it? :-)

              Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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              jochance
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              What if they need the minutes, then the three letter month, then the minutes again, then the two digit numeric month? We won't ask why, but hypothetically speaking...

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              • T trønderen

                I tried to make a struct with two fields named mm and mmm respectively. The compiler accepted it without any warning. Confusing, isn't it? :-)

                Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                Lost User
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                Not for the compiler. :-D

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                • L Lost User

                  If you wish to format a date in Power Apps, there is a nice set of format letters to provide custom output. So using the Text function I can write

                  Text(myDate, "mmm dd yy") // May 09 24

                  Or for time I can write

                  Text(myTime, "hhmm") // 1644

                  Or I can combine them into

                  Text(myDateTime, "hhmm mmm dd yy") // 1644 16 09 24

                  Why would anyone think to use the same lower case letters for two very distinct fields? There is actually a work-around, make sure dd comes first in the date. Good luck 'mercans. :-D

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                  jschell
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                  Richard MacCutchan wrote:

                  Why would anyone think to use the same lower case letters for two very distinct fields?

                  History? Following has 'd' and 'D'. And 'c' and 'C'. Formatting Calendar Time (The GNU C Library)[^] Then there is "C Programming Language 2 edition" copyright 1988 which uses 'm' for minute and 'M' for month. And others.

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                  • L Lost User

                    If you wish to format a date in Power Apps, there is a nice set of format letters to provide custom output. So using the Text function I can write

                    Text(myDate, "mmm dd yy") // May 09 24

                    Or for time I can write

                    Text(myTime, "hhmm") // 1644

                    Or I can combine them into

                    Text(myDateTime, "hhmm mmm dd yy") // 1644 16 09 24

                    Why would anyone think to use the same lower case letters for two very distinct fields? There is actually a work-around, make sure dd comes first in the date. Good luck 'mercans. :-D

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                    CPallini
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                    Wait... Is today 10/5 or 5/10?

                    "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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                    • C CPallini

                      Wait... Is today 10/5 or 5/10?

                      "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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                      Lost User
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                      It's both of course. :-D

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                      • L Lost User

                        If you wish to format a date in Power Apps, there is a nice set of format letters to provide custom output. So using the Text function I can write

                        Text(myDate, "mmm dd yy") // May 09 24

                        Or for time I can write

                        Text(myTime, "hhmm") // 1644

                        Or I can combine them into

                        Text(myDateTime, "hhmm mmm dd yy") // 1644 16 09 24

                        Why would anyone think to use the same lower case letters for two very distinct fields? There is actually a work-around, make sure dd comes first in the date. Good luck 'mercans. :-D

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                        englebart
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                        I always use yyyy-MM-dd or dd MMM yyyy and always include timezones with times. Multiple hemispheres/countries/etc

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                          I always use yyyy-MM-dd or dd MMM yyyy and always include timezones with times. Multiple hemispheres/countries/etc

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                          Lost User
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                          Fine, but if you read my post you will see that "MM" or "MMM" are not valid format specifiers.

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                            What if they need the minutes, then the three letter month, then the minutes again, then the two digit numeric month? We won't ask why, but hypothetically speaking...

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                            trønderen
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                            Doesn't PowerApps know whether it is formatting a time object or a date object? That would surprise me a lot. If I were to develop a formatting function, and was told "No no - you can't use that character to indicate a certain formatting - it has been used to format a very distinct field in a another value type", then I would scream out in protest. I cannot let the format strings for "my" type be limited by the format strings for all other types! That being said: Doing detail formatting of times and dates is blatant anti-internationalization, an explicit effort to make it difficult to adapt you solution to other markets, an invitation for customers outside your own locale to misunderstand or not understand the data you output. Don't do that! Use locale dependent formatting, and stop fiddling around with literal format strings!

                            Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                            • L Lost User

                              Fine, but if you read my post you will see that "MM" or "MMM" are not valid format specifiers.

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                              trønderen
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                              Forget about all format specifiers and use locale dependent formatting. Forcing your own locale formatting down the throat of customers in other locales is a bad thing to do.

                              Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                              • T trønderen

                                Forget about all format specifiers and use locale dependent formatting. Forcing your own locale formatting down the throat of customers in other locales is a bad thing to do.

                                Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                                Lost User
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                                I didn't say it was a good thing. I was merely pointing out how having to use the same letter for two different fields is a rather bad design choice.

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                                • T trønderen

                                  Doesn't PowerApps know whether it is formatting a time object or a date object? That would surprise me a lot. If I were to develop a formatting function, and was told "No no - you can't use that character to indicate a certain formatting - it has been used to format a very distinct field in a another value type", then I would scream out in protest. I cannot let the format strings for "my" type be limited by the format strings for all other types! That being said: Doing detail formatting of times and dates is blatant anti-internationalization, an explicit effort to make it difficult to adapt you solution to other markets, an invitation for customers outside your own locale to misunderstand or not understand the data you output. Don't do that! Use locale dependent formatting, and stop fiddling around with literal format strings!

                                  Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                                  jochance
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                                  Agreed. If you're not typing 'Culture' somewhere on those lines then you're probably doing it wrong.

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