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    MadGerbil
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    My guess is that there are several IT departments where I work scrambling to find a replacement. I can already hear a director asking, "Is there any way we can get a copy of the codebase to maintain our own internal version of ICQ?"

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      My guess is that there are several IT departments where I work scrambling to find a replacement. I can already hear a director asking, "Is there any way we can get a copy of the codebase to maintain our own internal version of ICQ?"

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      MadGerbil
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      By the way, the phrase "can we get a copy of the codebase to maintain our own version" should be heard as "now is a good time to update your resume"

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        My guess is that there are several IT departments where I work scrambling to find a replacement. I can already hear a director asking, "Is there any way we can get a copy of the codebase to maintain our own internal version of ICQ?"

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        Rage
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        Last time someone tried this, it was for MS Money. With no luck, unfortunately -> How to bin dump an excellent piece of software ... :(

        Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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          Last time someone tried this, it was for MS Money. With no luck, unfortunately -> How to bin dump an excellent piece of software ... :(

          Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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          At least MS Money still works. Well, I've never used any of its online features, that is, so all offline functionality is still there and runs fine.

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            At least MS Money still works. Well, I've never used any of its online features, that is, so all offline functionality is still there and runs fine.

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            Rage
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            Sure. But I miss some modern features - like the filtersearch in comboboxes - and a few things I would have loved to implement. I actually see no point in keeping a source code sealed when it is not maintained anymore. I once started to reverse engineer, but that would be soooooo time consuming !

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              Sure. But I miss some modern features - like the filtersearch in comboboxes - and a few things I would have loved to implement. I actually see no point in keeping a source code sealed when it is not maintained anymore. I once started to reverse engineer, but that would be soooooo time consuming !

              Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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              dandy72
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              Rage wrote:

              I actually see no point in keeping a source code sealed when it is not maintained anymore.

              Sometimes there are components that have been licensed that, themselves, are owned by third parties that are still very much under active development, and the licensing terms are such that it's an all-or-nothing type of deal. Then there may by IP that they feel should be kept private. Or there's a shared component that's re-used somewhere in another product that's still under support, and releasing the source would make it trivial to expose common vulnerabilities to anyone looking. Obviously security through obscurity should *not* be a thing, but the reality is, making the source public just lowers the bar. I'm with you, there's plenty of abandoned closed source software I'd like to revive, even if only for my own use...but I just don't see that happening. MS-DOS 4.x only got its source published a few weeks ago, and that was done, so they claim, "primarily for its historical importance". Don't get your hopes up for MS Money... I've never used it myself, but [HomeBank](https://www.gethomebank.org/en/) is free and has its source code available (I don't know however if it's open source according to the common terms), and claims to be able to open MS Money files. Depending on your goals, maybe you could take inspiration from that, even if only for the data import part...

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                Last time someone tried this, it was for MS Money. With no luck, unfortunately -> How to bin dump an excellent piece of software ... :(

                Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                At least with MS Money, Microsoft made a free non-connected version available. The only problem is there is one version of Windows 10 where it didn't work, but someone with really good binary debugging skills figured out the issue and published the solution - on a Microsoft support site.

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                  Rage wrote:

                  I actually see no point in keeping a source code sealed when it is not maintained anymore.

                  Sometimes there are components that have been licensed that, themselves, are owned by third parties that are still very much under active development, and the licensing terms are such that it's an all-or-nothing type of deal. Then there may by IP that they feel should be kept private. Or there's a shared component that's re-used somewhere in another product that's still under support, and releasing the source would make it trivial to expose common vulnerabilities to anyone looking. Obviously security through obscurity should *not* be a thing, but the reality is, making the source public just lowers the bar. I'm with you, there's plenty of abandoned closed source software I'd like to revive, even if only for my own use...but I just don't see that happening. MS-DOS 4.x only got its source published a few weeks ago, and that was done, so they claim, "primarily for its historical importance". Don't get your hopes up for MS Money... I've never used it myself, but [HomeBank](https://www.gethomebank.org/en/) is free and has its source code available (I don't know however if it's open source according to the common terms), and claims to be able to open MS Money files. Depending on your goals, maybe you could take inspiration from that, even if only for the data import part...

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                  obermd
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                  MS Money still installs and works, even on Windows 11 v23H2.

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                    MS Money still installs and works, even on Windows 11 v23H2.

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                    dandy72
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                    Yes...I jumped into this thread to point that out.

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                      At least MS Money still works. Well, I've never used any of its online features, that is, so all offline functionality is still there and runs fine.

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                      Just as an aside. If you are still using MS Money there is a replacement Free Personal Finance Manager. | KMyMoney[^] . I think the two products are nearly identical. I used to use it some time back and it looks like it is still supported. There used to be a conversion utility with it to import your MS Money database.

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                        Just as an aside. If you are still using MS Money there is a replacement Free Personal Finance Manager. | KMyMoney[^] . I think the two products are nearly identical. I used to use it some time back and it looks like it is still supported. There used to be a conversion utility with it to import your MS Money database.

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                        dandy72
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                        While I appreciate the suggestion, if I wanted to move to something else, I would've done that a long time ago already. I have it running in a Windows 7 VM. It'll be a while still before that becomes unsupported with no workaround...

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