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  • L Lost User

    Amarnath S wrote:

    not a native English speaker

    But you still (probably speak*) and write it better than many who are. Having worked for a few weeks in India I know from experience how well many of you speak English.

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    Amarnath S
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    In India itself, there are several variants of English. I speak Kinglish (Kannada + English). Then there is Hinglish (Hindi + English). There are also Tamil + English, Malayalam + English, and many others.

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      As non-native English speakers, we have an advantage: We don't know 'The Right Way' of speaking English. We do not frown at neither Indian English, Australian, US or Oxford English. When I speak with Indians (there were 3-4 of them in my last job), it took me a week after a vacation to get back into their special pronunciation and wordings. Going to the US of A, it may take me a day or two to get into Americanisms. Years ago, I had a Scottish coworker who sometimes was away for a few months. When he returned, I really had to concentrate to understand his speaking for the first two days - but he insisted that he didn't speak English, but Scottish :-). Certainly, most Americans are quite tolerant about variants of English (you have to be :-)) - but certainly not everyone. Maybe the percentage of intolerant British really is higher, but on the other hand, out of politeness they don't say anything; they just signal their dismay through body language.

      Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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      Amarnath S
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      Speaking of Australian English experiences, there's a humorous incident commonly quoted here. (Not to offend anyone) An Indian cricketer landed in Sydney and went to the hotel receptionist to check in. Here's the conversation: Receptionist: Did you come here to die? Indian cricketer: Er... Well... I came here to live, and to play. Only later did the Indian cricketer realize that 'today' was pronounced as 'to die'.

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        In India itself, there are several variants of English. I speak Kinglish (Kannada + English). Then there is Hinglish (Hindi + English). There are also Tamil + English, Malayalam + English, and many others.

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        I guess it was Kinglish that I was exposed to in Bangalore. As a very small child, born in Mussoorie, I spoke a mixture of Urdu and English. But I soon lost that when we left and came to England.

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          subject obviously stolen...so let continue stealing When in the Course of human events, it became noticeable that society is not willing to manage itself smart layers will see the money making opportunity and make rules and laws. In my opinion, each and every AI assisted text , message , chat ( especially ) etc MUST be required , by law, to be identified as such: "This was produced by/ with an aid of AI, caveat emptor " This rant was not build using AI ( can you tell ?)

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          Or else, it must commit the sender, no less than a human-sent message

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            Trouble is that that's like having an "Are you 18?" page on a naughty website with two buttons: "I'm 18 or over, let me in" and "I'm under 18, I'll go away now" and expecting anyone ever to press the second one ... :D Since we don't have any proper real-world identification with the internet, many feel free to do or say what they want: plagiarise from people or AI, troll, or attempt to destroy. Who is going to arrest them if the AI is in China and he hands it in as his own work in the USA? Laws that can't or won't be enforced are worse than useless - they undermine the fabric of "real laws".

            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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            Cpichols
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            It could be a requirement of the code that all copy/pasted material include an indelible "watermark". So to use it without the mark, you'd have to type it out yourself. Of course this would usher in another challenge of creating apps to remove the watermark, but with this logic, why bother with even locking your doors?

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              It could be a requirement of the code that all copy/pasted material include an indelible "watermark". So to use it without the mark, you'd have to type it out yourself. Of course this would usher in another challenge of creating apps to remove the watermark, but with this logic, why bother with even locking your doors?

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              How do you propose we add a watermark to text? :-D

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                How do you propose we add a watermark to text? :-D

                "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                Cpichols
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                That would be a job for someone other than me ;)

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                  Trouble is that that's like having an "Are you 18?" page on a naughty website with two buttons: "I'm 18 or over, let me in" and "I'm under 18, I'll go away now" and expecting anyone ever to press the second one ... :D Since we don't have any proper real-world identification with the internet, many feel free to do or say what they want: plagiarise from people or AI, troll, or attempt to destroy. Who is going to arrest them if the AI is in China and he hands it in as his own work in the USA? Laws that can't or won't be enforced are worse than useless - they undermine the fabric of "real laws".

                  "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                  Ai in Chinese means "to love". Spread it. ;)

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                  • L Lost User

                    I guess it was Kinglish that I was exposed to in Bangalore. As a very small child, born in Mussoorie, I spoke a mixture of Urdu and English. But I soon lost that when we left and came to England.

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                    Matt Bond
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                    The most commonly spoken language in the world is broken English.

                    Bond Keep all things as simple as possible, but no simpler. -said someone, somewhere

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      How do you propose we add a watermark to text? :-D

                      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                      You beat me to it!

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                        Or else, it must commit the sender, no less than a human-sent message

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                        As some probably noticed , I am non English speaking person. When I was gainfully employed , I worked all over US and NEVER had an issue communicating, in personal matters or technically, until "Al Gore invented internet". Nowadays most of my posts are judged for format and not for contents. Seldom I get comments about my missuses of " Queens English". Al Gore turned society communicating skills from a subject oriented to opinions oriented. With that said - if my communicating skils where then opinions based /originated I would have been collecting unemployment instead of working. I am also known not to blindly follow stupid rules , ( my favorite - format your code - or else I won;t help you ) , but when people lack basic skills or desire to actually read the rules , and follow them - then AI will eventually take over... PS You can, at least partially, "blame it" on my favorite fellow countryman author for inventing word "robot". I am not sure if I should be fond or shame of it. Cheers PS Sorry for the long rambling, but we lost power - again - and being in dark sprouts (crazy) ideas...

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                        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                          How do you propose we add a watermark to text? :-D

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                          trønderen
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                          In the old days, it came with the paper.

                          Religious freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make five.

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                            I guess it was Kinglish that I was exposed to in Bangalore. As a very small child, born in Mussoorie, I spoke a mixture of Urdu and English. But I soon lost that when we left and came to England.

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                            Amarnath S
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                            I have lived in Bangalore, now called Bengaluru, since 1966, my year of birth. When I learnt Partial Differential Equations, used to say that Bangalore is my 'Dirichlet boundary condition'.

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                              subject obviously stolen...so let continue stealing When in the Course of human events, it became noticeable that society is not willing to manage itself smart layers will see the money making opportunity and make rules and laws. In my opinion, each and every AI assisted text , message , chat ( especially ) etc MUST be required , by law, to be identified as such: "This was produced by/ with an aid of AI, caveat emptor " This rant was not build using AI ( can you tell ?)

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                              Phil Hodgkins
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                              AI, theres' the rub. Should have finished your speech with that :)

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